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Pat Toomey: Gun Compromise ‘Doesn’t Change in Any Way’ Conservative Cred
Pajamas Media ^ | 04/10/2013 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 04/10/2013 11:11:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) told reporters on a conference call moments ago that his compromise bill with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on gun background checks “doesn’t change in any way” his “conservative record or views.”

The former Club for Growth president acknowledged he was out of his usual legislative area on the issue, but “it became clear to me a bill of some sort was very likely to reach the floor” that would be “badly flawed,” so he reached out to his friend and neighboring state senator Manchin to sit down and talk.

“You’re probably used to hearing me talk about economic and fiscal and monetary policy,” Toomey said. “This is a somewhat unusual area for me to be working with.”

Toomey and Manchin unveiled their proposal at a press conference this morning, which extends background checks to gun shows and Internet sales but does not require record-keeping on private sales and does not extend to gifts, family or friend sales, etc.

“I thought there was an opportunity to try to find some common ground with some of my colleagues,” said Toomey on the conference call afterward. “Background checks are not a perfect solution… but they do help.”

“I think it strikes a very sensible balance,” he added.

The senators received assurance from Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that theirs would be the first amendment should the Democrats’ package of gun bills move past the 60-vote threshold to consideration tomorrow.

The Manchin-Toomey amendment would strike the background check language in Reid’s bill — sweeping, universal checks — and insert the compromise language.

Toomey, who’s been under fire from conservatives for inking out a compromise, said he hasn’t “counted noses” to see what chance the language has of passing. He vowed to vote against any amendments to add language about high-capacity clips or the assault weapons ban to the bill, calling that a violation of Second Amendment rights.

“People are going to have a wide range of opinions,” he said. “I don’t think trying to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals is gun control… I don’t expect everyone to agree with me.”

The National Rifle Association, in a statement issued after the press conference, did not.

“Expanding background checks at gun shows will not prevent the next shooting, will not solve violent crime and will not keep our kids safe in schools. While the overwhelming rejection of President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg’s ‘universal’ background check agenda is a positive development, we have a broken mental health system that is not going to be fixed with more background checks at gun shows,” the NRA said.

“President Obama should be as committed to dealing with the gang problem that is tormenting honest people in his hometown as he is to blaming law-abiding gun owners for the acts of psychopathic murderers.”

Manchin and Toomey’s Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act would require states and the federal government to send all necessary records on criminals and the violently mentally ill to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

It prohibits the federal government from establishing a national firearms registry, and makes any person who misuses or illegally retains firearms records subject to up to 15 years in prison.

It allows dealers to voluntarily use the NICS database to run background checks on their prospective employees and provides a legal process for a veteran to contest his or her placement in NICS when there is no basis for barring the right to own a firearm. Last Congress, Senate Republicans failed to get language in the defense bill that would have stopped the Veterans Affairs Department from putting the names of vets deemed too mentally incompetent to handle their finances into the NICS to prohibit them from buying or owning a gun.

If a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four years, when the NICS improvements are expected to be completed, Manchin and Toomey say the background check would clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days. The bill requires the FBI to give priority to finalizing background checks at gun shows over checks at store front dealerships.

It also authorizes use of a state concealed carry permit instead of a background check when purchasing a firearm from a dealer.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Nevada; US: Pennsylvania; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; clubforgrowth; guncontrol; guns; harryreid; joemanchin; nevada; nics; pattoomey; pennsylvania; secondamendment; toomey; westvirginia
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1 posted on 04/10/2013 11:11:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Primary the SOB.
2 posted on 04/10/2013 11:14:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Strike out everything else in the bill and leave this.


It prohibits the federal government from establishing a national firearms registry, and makes any person who misuses or illegally retains firearms records subject to up to 15 years in prison.

3 posted on 04/10/2013 11:15:12 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind

Hogwash. If this were real compromise, we’d be seeing a benefit to gun owners. How about they get more background checks in exchange to nationwide concealed carry license reciprocity. That would be real compromise.


4 posted on 04/10/2013 11:15:46 AM PDT by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And if that doesn’t work, polically DEEP SIX him in the general election. If something like this is going to be done the whole place might as well be total Democrats doing it.


5 posted on 04/10/2013 11:16:17 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: SeekAndFind

Another RAT in RINO clothing!


6 posted on 04/10/2013 11:17:36 AM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I thought there was an opportunity to try to find some common ground with some of my colleagues,”

There is no common ground with leftists and tyrants.

said Toomey on the conference call afterward. “Background checks are not a perfect solution… but they do help.”

Background checks certainly do help leftists build a registry of guns and gun owners. Background checks and registries certainly have already helped leftist tyrants in New York, California, and other places to steal guns from gun owners.

7 posted on 04/10/2013 11:18:05 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tell me again how that slime was supposed to be better than Santorum...


8 posted on 04/10/2013 11:18:17 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: SeekAndFind

More of same: make it harder for the law-abiding to arm themselves while doing NOTHING to stop criminal behavior and doing NOTHING to eliminate dealy “gun free” zones.


9 posted on 04/10/2013 11:18:27 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'd rather be a living "gun culture" member than a dead anti-gun candy-ass.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Absolutely correct on both counts.


10 posted on 04/10/2013 11:20:44 AM PDT by onyx
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To: SeekAndFind

The fate of Vichy Republicans will not be kind.


11 posted on 04/10/2013 11:22:08 AM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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12 posted on 04/10/2013 11:22:38 AM PDT by onyx
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To: SeekAndFind

His compromise doesn’t do anything to his conservative credibility? it sure does in my book. I get tired of constantly hearing that we conservatives did it because it was better than what else was out there, and we needed to find common ground. You never hear that from the dens


13 posted on 04/10/2013 11:22:54 AM PDT by falcon99
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To: Red Steel

So who is going to enforce it, the BATFE?


14 posted on 04/10/2013 11:23:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s about Trust.

Idiot.

You don’t have any. We are asking for you to build some.

Idiot.


15 posted on 04/10/2013 11:23:50 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: SeekAndFind

When is a creed NOT a creed? When you don’t follow it . . . wimp


16 posted on 04/10/2013 11:24:23 AM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He may think so, but conservatives beg to differ that opinion.

What other cred is he willing to bend? No use for him.


17 posted on 04/10/2013 11:24:44 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I disrespectfully diagree with the Senator.


18 posted on 04/10/2013 11:28:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All that our republican sissies can flaunt is the fact that they are all surrender monkeys.

They are just as communist as any democrat.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 11:28:41 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: SeekAndFind
I thought there was an opportunity to try to find some common ground with some of my colleagues For me that makes you part of the problem.
20 posted on 04/10/2013 11:29:54 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) told reporters on a conference call moments ago that his compromise bill with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on gun background checks “doesn’t change in any way” his “conservative record or views.”


21 posted on 04/10/2013 11:32:24 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SeekAndFind

ping


22 posted on 04/10/2013 11:32:25 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is so stupid. It is a compromise between two traitorous people Toomey and Manchin no one else is involved!


23 posted on 04/10/2013 11:33:34 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just to prove that democrats don’t have a monopoly on forked tongue, double talking snakes.


24 posted on 04/10/2013 11:33:57 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: ColdOne

He is my senator. I learned the lesson of Specter. Rather have a democrat in office than someone like this...he has lost my vote.


25 posted on 04/10/2013 11:34:25 AM PDT by Geoffrey
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To: Red_Devil 232

Only in your own mind! Rino!


26 posted on 04/10/2013 11:34:43 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Little Ray

Gee dunno...it will at least give them pause to do it. It’s good incrementalism.


27 posted on 04/10/2013 11:34:48 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind

Step one like warning on cigarettes.


28 posted on 04/10/2013 11:35:34 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Now, where’s the bill that would re-instate the 2nd A Right for all of We the People in all the land (IE: Constitutional carry) and knock Fedzilla down a peg or two??

Let’s start there and see who upholds the ideals of their Oaths and the Constitution.

How about and ‘end all’ bill; like THIS iteration of immigration ‘reform’, where any bill in future that attempts to chip away our Rights is immediately removed from office, put on trial for treason and ruined financially if not put to death? Where’s the RICO charges against Congress??


29 posted on 04/10/2013 11:36:30 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: SeekAndFind

FU Toomey.

You will not receive my vote again.


30 posted on 04/10/2013 11:36:52 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Isn't that something. Two representatives, West Virginia and Pennsylvania sponsoring more government overreach in your life; what else can you call this. This is incrementalism to where this will begin their national registry and to begin a progress of picking who can own/who cannot own a firearm until they work to a total police state. The republicans should had never met with the other side. Reid wants up/down vote and as Mark Levin explained in detail that is unconstitutional to do. We are watching an out of control ruling class who has no regard for the people. Both of these men should be on the side of the filibuster.
31 posted on 04/10/2013 11:37:34 AM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: SeekAndFind

Just another professional pol full of sh*t and talking out of both sides of his face.


32 posted on 04/10/2013 11:38:18 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: SeekAndFind

I emailed him that he was F%^$# in the next election cycle. Millions of firearm owners in PA as well as a million deer hunters are going to tell him to shove it . That means he will be eaten up by the Philly and Pittsburgh 47%ters.


33 posted on 04/10/2013 11:38:46 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: SeekAndFind
Traitor.

Negotiating people's rights away a little at a time is not preferable to outright surrender, it's the same thing.

34 posted on 04/10/2013 11:44:00 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

American politician. One step up from incarcerated pedophile.


35 posted on 04/10/2013 11:44:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Timber Rattler
.... compromise bill ...

That's all I need to hear to know Toomey is "compromised" as far as his 'Conservative Cred' goes.

36 posted on 04/10/2013 11:46:17 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Red Steel

I’m still steamed from the Clinton Administration - Gore blatantly broke Federal Elections Laws, campaigning from the White House, then skated because there was “no controlling legal authority.”
Given the nature of the DoJ and the Administration, you can put whatever laws you want into something to protect the people - but the Feds won’t enforce them against itself.


37 posted on 04/10/2013 11:47:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Toomey, you idiot, you don’t get to decide that. Your actions speak louder than your words.


38 posted on 04/10/2013 11:48:15 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: onedoug

Not really. At least the incarcerated pedophile is out of circulation. The politician is free to keep f**king us.

And people don’t keep voting for the incarcerated pedophile because he has the right letter next to his name.


39 posted on 04/10/2013 11:48:33 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fupt

There is absolutely no reason to allow a bill to pass.

You are being duplication and disingenuous .

You are lying and cheating Americans


40 posted on 04/10/2013 11:48:50 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind

Compromise:

When good “compromises” with evil you become tainted with evil.

“A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.”
Gal 5:9


41 posted on 04/10/2013 11:50:17 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think you should leave that judgement to conservatives, don’t you Mr. Toomey?


42 posted on 04/10/2013 11:51:47 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SeekAndFind
“Manchin and Toomey’s Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act would require states and the federal government to send all necessary records on criminals and the violently mentally ill to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).”

This is exactly what is wrong with the government trying to convince Americans to surrender their 2nd amendment protections. Currenly, federal law already requires States to send all necessary records on criminals, adding another segment of American society “violently mentally ill” as determined by whom?

Kind of like getting on the federal governments “no fly list” that included Americans who had never had any prior issues of any kind, but some smart-ass government stooge decided to place them on the no fly list!

This is why it is sooooooo dangerous to allow the government to collect this kind of information on Americans and letting them decide which American is competent and which American is not competent to possess a firearm.

With all the rhetoric about the tea party, if you have ever gave to a tea party or supported a conservative, would this be enough to get you on the governments “shall not possess a firearm list” simply being a conservative or supporting a political party. Joe the plumber was raked over the coals by liberal socialist working in the State of Ohio, using their computers to do background checks on him because he stood up to Obango!

43 posted on 04/10/2013 11:53:16 AM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Red Steel

What about a newspaper editor using the Freedom of Information Act to publish the Gun Confiscation/registration List? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm - - - ?


44 posted on 04/10/2013 11:54:51 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sen. Toomey: ‘I Don’t Consider Criminal Background Checks To Be Gun Control’

Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey on Wednesday called for an expansion of required background checks for those who want to buy guns by arguing that the proposal does not actually constitute “gun control.”

“I don’t consider criminal background checks to be gun control,” Toomey said during a press conference at the Capitol. “I think it’s commonsense. If you pass a criminal background check, you get to buy a gun. No problem. It’s the people who fail a criminal or mental health background that we don’t want to have a gun.”

Toomey joined Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia on Wednesday in offering compromise legislation as Congress takes up gun bills. It requires background checks for all commercial transactions, including for those who buy firearms at gun shows and online.


45 posted on 04/10/2013 11:55:21 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lying sack of dog crap...

And what is even more angering - the NRA will continue to endorse this traitor.


46 posted on 04/10/2013 11:59:08 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: MissMagnolia
.... compromise bill ...

Compromise in politics and government is vastly overrated.

As Ayn Rand said:

“In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.”

Whenever republicans “compromise” with democrats the constitution takes another direct hit.

When republicans announce another compromise it is nothing more than one more loss to democrats cloaked in other terms to make it sound better and fool the foolish.

Every compromise is a loss for patriots and conservatives and a win for anti-constitutional Nanny Staters.

Democrats are happy to advance their agenda by chipping away a little at a time.

Like water eroding a rock - sooner or later they will gradually erode our culture and constitution until they are irretrievable lost.


47 posted on 04/10/2013 12:03:28 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) told reporters on a conference call moments ago that his compromise bill with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on gun background checks “doesn’t change in any way” his “conservative record or views.”

Apparently, Pennsylvanians were correct about this guy the first time around. He really is an idiot.

48 posted on 04/10/2013 12:07:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Iron Munro

RE: Sen. Toomey: ‘I Don’t Consider Criminal Background Checks To Be Gun Control’

BTW, Background Checks are NOT the only thing in this gun control legislation under consideration.


49 posted on 04/10/2013 12:10:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: RatRipper

He said ‘cred,’ not ‘creed.’


50 posted on 04/10/2013 12:19:39 PM PDT by EDINVA
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