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Sorry partner

You must be young

Prior to the say late 70s most women required serious commitment for sex

Prior to mid 60s most sexually desirable gals married as virgins

Sorry but amongst respectable folk in Christian nation ....like we were till recently

It has never been like this

Young women are as promiscuous as lads now...and given how low testosterone most young white boys look today versus how bloomy young women look I’d wager young gals are left ...rather undone

We have entered a realm just shy of Caligula’s barge

It has never been like this relatively speaking

And boy does it ever spell disaster....legal pot is nothing compared to ever increasing illegitimacy and the destruction of the man/wife family

I love women and precisely why God made them....they are worth all the ribs I have for sure...and I had two spare cervical..lol

I’m pinging some gals spanning X to boomer...ask them you don’t believe me

The train is off the track sexually speaking in our culture

I am no prude but why take the word of some old hardleg

All the historical references are irrelevant unless measured against the pill, tampons, and electricity.

Electricity and various machines to do housework made life easier and staying home all the time less attractive. The pill and other contraception ended the fear of the ages. The tampon and other such eliminated the monthly problems.

We live in a liberated age and have lost control of the controls that previously regulated society. In fact, we are in an age where a majority of people in cities insist on no sexual regulation at all.

It will take another 50 years to reverse the cycle and reintroduce different but effective regulation. Religion has been repudiated over much if not most of the world. The Islamic zealots are waging war to reclaim what has been repudiated by Islamic evolution. Europe is wallowing in Christian repudiation and is dying. America is soon to burn as repudiation fails to equalize that which can never be equal.

Prior to mid 60s most sexually desirable gals married as virgins

Sorry but amongst respectable folk in Christian nation ....like we were till recently

The exact percentages of who’s doing what are impossible to verify, and again vary considerably among income, class, religion, immigrant status, area of country, etc.
Even in the 18th & 19th Century cohabitation was prevalent in this country (especially the South), people paired off and the marriage made it official, but waiting until after marriage for sex was not a huge cultural requirement. Often a marriage occurred to legitimize the child that was already on the way. That was the most important issue, not when the sex occurred. The importance of marrying a virgin was to ensure that the girl was not pregnant with another man’s child, although I doubt very seriously that most girls were virgins at the time of marriage unless they were expected to marry straight out of high school as in the 1950’s.

Popular attitudes toward premarital sex have always been more permissive than church or legal officials would have liked.

Thus, not simply a result of the 1960s.

Whether or not you think premarital sex is OK is irrelevant to the discussion of promiscuity in today’s girls.

When I was in HS in the very early 80’s there were still plenty of girls who were virgins. And the ones who had had sex were in monogamous relationships with serious boyfriends. Many of them are still married to those same boys.

It wasn’t something anyone bragged about. And it certainly wasn’t something that was done before Jr or Sr year of high school. By and large. There were a few. Always have been. One girl had a rep of running the train with entire sports teams. Based on her behavior since it was probably mostly true.

Girls now start at 13, even earlier. The average 10yr old is WAY more knowledgeable about most everything regarding sex than the average 15yr old was when I was 15.

Case in point. I worked around the 14-17yr old age group a few years back at a local business. I was in the break room eating a late lunch about the time some of these little kiddies came in. They were talking and laughing and such. And didn’t realize I was just around the corner. The 14 and 15yr old had, what I determined to be, first hand knowledge of male anatomy and what, exactly happens to men. Ahem. This was from first hand experience or having watched porn. They were discussing their OWN exploits and such. No shame. No embarassment. No morals. Just discussing their own experiences and dislike of condoms and other b/c methods. But that was better than the pill making you fat. The idea that maybe NOT HAVING SEX was an option wasn’t even in their head.

And before the ‘they just need a 2 parent home and a trip to mass a couple times a week!’ posters chime in, one of these girls was from a devout catholic local family that DID go to mass every week. The other girl was an evangelical who went to church around the corner from the catholic girl. Both there every week or close to it. Both members of the associated church youth group. Both from intact homes.

However, both their moms work. From what I could tell, all that ‘fun stuff’ or most of it, happens in the afternoon after school is out while mom is still at work.

That’s one big difference between 1982 and 2012. The other is simply the promiscuity factor. In 1982 a lot of girls in long term relationships had probably had sex with their boyfriend. In 2012 there’s no pretence of long term anything. These girls will hook up with 2 or 3 different boys in any given weekend. And more besides during the week at their own homes while mom is at work.

The boys, of course, are just having fun with all this. There’s no committment involved for them. Just show up with the right equipment and do what teenage boys have always wanted to do...

And it isn’t always the unsupervised girls getting randy. A local pediatric specialist’s daughter ended up pg. She went on a blind date (as in never having seen this boy before) to a prom last year. Ended up pregnant. Had sex with this boy she just met, on the first date. That was unknown in my age group. There were, again, a few girls who did stuff like that. Not many. She was a mother at 17. Baby was given up for adoption. And it isn’t because this particular girl didn’t know how babies came to be or how to prevent them if she wanted to. She just didn’t bother. The mood apparently struck and that was the end of that discretion. She was from an intact home, mom stayed at home, and they are active members of my parents church.

However, I would bet, she was allowed unrestricted access to the current sociological norms of sex and sexual behavior. As portrayed in the media and from all the other girls in her age group. That programming is way stronger for kids in public and private school than it was in my age group 30 years ago. They are forced to socialize with the lowest common denominator. For 8+ hrs a day. Never a great idea IMHO.

I tend to agree with you that young females of today are more promiscuous than they were even when I was in high school in the mid 80s. It used to be that there were a few “sluts” that made the rounds. I don’t know why males weren’t given the same label. My sons have told me that at their high school, about 70%+ of the girls are promiscuous. Their high school is made up of a majority minority population if that makes any sense. hah While there was shame involved when I was in high school, there does not seem to be any shame with the majority of these girls.

My mother’s generation (graduated from high school in mid 50s) was a lot less promiscuous. Of the four women in my childhood neighborhood who were the exact age as my mother, including my mother, I think it is safe to say that all of them were one man women for their entire lives. Only one is still living, and she married at 16 after eloping. :-) She is 76. That’s not to say that all four women had happy marriages. But we’re not talking promiscuous men . . .

Hubby and I were discussing this topic. He brought up the subject of money. Sex was tied to commitment and money. I’m sure my mother was taught to wait for religious reasons. And that the man she chose had better be able to support her. Her grandmother pushed her to graduate from college so she would be able to support herself if her man let her down. It was good instruction since my mother married a man 20 years older than she was. Other than my father being divorced, and that was not a subject discussed in my house, I cannot think of more than a few of my friends who had divorced parents. Maybe there were some divorces after we graduated from high school. I have a lot of friends from childhood who are divorced or will be soon. It is a different mindset for sure. There is a lot of Me-centric attitude today.