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Border Patrol Now Experiencing an Ammunition Shortage
Town Hall ^ | Apr. 5, 2013 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 04/05/2013 6:22:08 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

Despite the Department of Homeland Security recently putting in orders to purchase billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition for a purpose of what officials say is target practice, training and quarterly qualifications, Border Patrol agents were told yesterday afternoon that they will not be issued any new proficiency ammunition for next quarter.

Due to budget concerns and ammunition availability, we will not be getting issued any proficiency ammunition for next quarter. In addition to these reductions, we are also being limited to qualification ammo only. What this means to you is that you will not receive the normal 150 rounds for practice and we will not have any extra ammunition for a combat course following normal qualifications.

If you have the ammunition available and would like extra practice during your qualification day, the firearms instructors will have a training course available for Indio Station Personnel, keeping in mind basic marksmanship skills as well as tactical training with a limited amount of ammunition. You are not required to bring your own ammunition.

If you do not have extra ammo to bring, you will be given extra time to clean and maintain your issued handgun as well as station long arms.

If you have any questions about this quarters quals please feel free to send me your concerns.

Thanks.

According to information obtained and published by Senator Tom Coburn, Customs and Border Protection [CBP] purchased 36,475,000 rounds of ammunition at a cost of $12,255,040 for fiscal year 2012. CBP plans to purchase more for fiscal year 2013 at a cost of $12,528,146. In total, DHS plans to spend $37,263,698 on ammunition for all sub-agencies this year. As of November, 20, 2012, CBP had 94,404,329 rounds of ammunition in its inventory. DHS had 263,733,362 rounds available.

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Why is there an ammunition shortage? Why can’t Border Patrol agents get enough ammunition to maintain proficiency, especially at a time of increased cross-border smuggling and illegal activity? Where is all this ammunition going?"
1 posted on 04/05/2013 6:22:09 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

How can they run out of ammo? They sure as hell aren’t shooting illegals.


2 posted on 04/05/2013 6:23:46 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: EXCH54FE

“What difference does it make?”

Its not like they’re allowed to fire their weapons anyway.


3 posted on 04/05/2013 6:23:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EXCH54FE
It's being stockpiled for when the government really needs it.

wink wink

4 posted on 04/05/2013 6:24:29 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Tell some of those uneducated government progressive bimbos currently screwing up everything they touch to give us some of that ammunition.

Or else.


5 posted on 04/05/2013 6:25:08 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: EXCH54FE

Federal government agents won’t be issued ammunition, because there is a shortage, because the federal government has already bought it all and a lot of future production too. Are we supposed to believe this?


6 posted on 04/05/2013 6:26:16 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Government really is exactly like the cows in Pharaoh’s dream - the more they consume the skinnier they get.


7 posted on 04/05/2013 6:28:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: EXCH54FE

Can we at least say bang bang when we practice?? he asked.


8 posted on 04/05/2013 6:28:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Da Coyote

Ammo Shortage? Must be a shortage of beans to stuff the bean bags they were issuing for the bean bag guns.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 6:28:22 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: EXCH54FE

Fast & Furious has evolved into Slow & Mildly Disappointed.


10 posted on 04/05/2013 6:28:59 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Syrian Rebels???

Mooselimb Bro’s???


11 posted on 04/05/2013 6:29:00 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: EXCH54FE

Ya’ mean that the billions and billions of rounds of ammo set aside to shoot us Americans has not been sent down to the Border Patrol? Is this insanity or what!

Maybe the IRS and Homeland Security don’t need the tanks, bazookas, flame throwers, machine guns, bombs, and bullets that Obozo’s handlers have stashed away for the assault on Americans. Howz’ ‘bout sending some down to the borders?

Is this crazy or what? Our generals are not getting promoted if they refuse to kill unarmed American citizens on American soil, but the border patrol can’t get ammo to defend us from illegal aliens. Insanity!


12 posted on 04/05/2013 6:29:34 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: laweeks

Maybe the only group getting ammo is the secret service protecting his Maximum Eminence?


13 posted on 04/05/2013 6:30:57 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: coloradan

The only people this was intended for was the new wave of illegals that is not being reported since the Gang of 8 started their amnesty bullcrap. Now they know the BP will not even be able to fire back.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 6:31:23 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: EXCH54FE
They can't get any bean bags?
15 posted on 04/05/2013 6:33:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: EXCH54FE

George Soros must have told Obama he could use taxpayer funds to corner the market on ammo. Nappy probably has DHS and ATF destroying all the rounds they bought.


16 posted on 04/05/2013 6:33:41 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: EXCH54FE
I used to fire 3 boxes (150 rounds) when I went to the range, sometimes a little more if I had more than one gun I was working with. So 150 rounds a month isn't a lot to maintain proficiency. If they don't practice and have to shoot but miss and hit a bystander, would it not be reasonable to assess blame on management for not keeping their employees proficient? Better take those guns away then Janet, someone might get hurt.
17 posted on 04/05/2013 6:34:30 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: EXCH54FE; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Seeing as the Border Patrol is now a part of the DHS, the fact that the BP can't get ammo while its DHS parent has been stockpiling is, shall we say, 'interesting'...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

18 posted on 04/05/2013 6:35:27 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I had a thought. Covert arms shippments to Syrian rebels. The money hidden under Homeland Security.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 6:35:27 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: maddog55

BPatrol- I’m all out of Bean Bags, what’s gonna Save Us Now?


20 posted on 04/05/2013 6:39:12 AM PDT by STD (One day closer to street justice)
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To: EXCH54FE

send john f’n kerry to the store...
“can I get muh some ammo here?”

let them use spitwads!


21 posted on 04/05/2013 6:39:23 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Joe Brower

Not to mention this indicates Napolitano outright lied to Congress. If the ammo purchases were for legitimate training and/or arming of agents, this story wouldn’t have ever been written.


22 posted on 04/05/2013 6:40:43 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: EXCH54FE

So-called Homeland Security decides who gets ammo and who doesn’t. This is the slippery slope to gun control.


23 posted on 04/05/2013 6:40:44 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: EXCH54FE
Napolitano is hoarding all the ammo for use by Obama's Civilian National Security Force to take out Christians, Heterosexual whites, wounded veterans and other Bitter Clingers.


24 posted on 04/05/2013 6:42:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: EXCH54FE

What do they NEED ammo for? Do they shoot anybody? Send them out there with sticks. They’ll be just as useful.


25 posted on 04/05/2013 6:42:03 AM PDT by ryan71 (The republican party is dead to me. Dead. Don't bother trying to revive it.)
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To: EXCH54FE
Despite the Department of Homeland Security recently putting in orders to purchase billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition

DHS hasn't ordered billions of rounds of ammunition and they have no plans to do so.

Of the thousands of articles, blog posts, and FR posts on this, all but basically two of them have been completely wrong. I can't emphasize this enough. The thousands of false articles and posts have created an alternate reality which is impossible to combat.

26 posted on 04/05/2013 6:42:32 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Joe Brower
the fact that the BP can't get ammo while its DHS parent has been stockpiling

DHS hasn't been stockpiling; they've been reducing their ammunition purchases.

27 posted on 04/05/2013 6:43:21 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: EXCH54FE

28 posted on 04/05/2013 6:44:26 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: dblshot

You can actually get pretty darn good practice dry firing. Get a cheap boresighter laser (not worth a darn for boresighting, but great for this). Aim your empty handgun at a spot on the wall and pull the trigger and pull the trigger and pull the trigger...

When the laser dot doesn’t move at all thru the trigger pull, you’ve finally got a good trigger press down, at least on that gun.

Then keep practicing, or you’ll lose it.


29 posted on 04/05/2013 6:46:22 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Iron Munro
“Napolitano is hoarding all the ammo for use by Obama’s Civilian National Security Force to take out Christians, Heterosexual whites, wounded veterans and other Bitter Clingers.”

Yep. Hey, does anybody have a “Hit and Run Tactics to Combat DHS MRAPs” manual?

30 posted on 04/05/2013 6:48:13 AM PDT by ryan71 (The republican party is dead to me. Dead. Don't bother trying to revive it.)
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To: Sooth2222

What is that really a picture of?


31 posted on 04/05/2013 6:50:26 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Strategerist

LOL that’s a complete non-sequitor.


32 posted on 04/05/2013 6:51:27 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Joe Brower

They want the border open, to allow in more “unregistered Democrats.”

They want the ammo for the HSI/SRT, for future confiscation raids.


33 posted on 04/05/2013 6:52:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Strategerist

The Great DHS Ammunition Stockpile Myth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3004452/posts


34 posted on 04/05/2013 6:52:27 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Strategerist
The above image was a joke! The number of firearms in private hands in the US (and demand for ammunition) vastly exceeds the number in the hands of Homeland Security.

What libs find impossible to wrap their minds around is that it's impossible to control guns in the US. There are just too many to ever eliminate. They might as well try passing laws against earthquakes and hurricanes.

35 posted on 04/05/2013 6:52:46 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: EXCH54FE

Documentation File on the negative impact of the Obamanation Counterculture on America.


36 posted on 04/05/2013 6:53:09 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Border Patrol falls under DHS. So, um, were are all those billions of rounds they purchased? No quarterly qual fire means you’re not qualified to carry weapons. That means you’re off the line. All by design?


37 posted on 04/05/2013 6:53:33 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Obadiah
What is that really a picture of?

It's supposed to be a government warehouse in "Raiders of the Lost Arc". It's a joke.

38 posted on 04/05/2013 6:54:19 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: EXCH54FE

How many bullets do they need to shoot Mexicans?


39 posted on 04/05/2013 6:59:24 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Sooth2222
If there are 250,000,000 firearms in the USA, and everyone purchased just one (1.) box of 50 rounds of ammo for each one, that's 12.5 billion rounds of ammo.
40 posted on 04/05/2013 6:59:36 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: PowderMonkey

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3004449/posts

The article says they will have( just )enough for qual


41 posted on 04/05/2013 7:00:45 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: ClearCase_guy
It's being stockpiled for when the government really needs it.

Or it's being transferred to the Mexican cartels in exchange for "donations" to the DNC. I lived in Chicago long enough to see this as a distinct possibility.

42 posted on 04/05/2013 7:04:18 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: EXCH54FE

Why does the gov’t need hollow point ammo for target practice and qualifying tests?


43 posted on 04/05/2013 7:06:02 AM PDT by TSA-Watch
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To: EXCH54FE

There isn’t a shortage. DHS is simply stocking up and not letting it go.


44 posted on 04/05/2013 7:06:18 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: dblshot
So 150 rounds a month isn't a lot to maintain proficiency.

They were only receiving 150 rounds per quarter not per month. Fortunately most agents maintain their own stockpile in reserve because they know that DHS can't be trusted to have their back.

45 posted on 04/05/2013 7:06:45 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: EXCH54FE

oh this is nothing , we gave a lot of guns and ammo to the cartels and the Govt keeps over a billion and a half for itself and that;s all what counts.

Well OK the white house being closed for Michelle bama and her freeloading family can have their parties, concerts, cocktails and celebrations in our house also counts as priority


46 posted on 04/05/2013 7:15:32 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Mouton

protecting the white house from school kids being allowed in , I mean how dare the public go in our own house which we pay for while the obama’s royal family have their parties you know.


47 posted on 04/05/2013 7:17:23 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: EXCH54FE
This has been going on for 6 years or better. Maybe a few ammunition company execs need to be hauled before congress to explain why they aren't opening new production facilities.

The answers would be good for all to hear.

48 posted on 04/05/2013 7:18:18 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: TSA-Watch
Why does the gov’t need hollow point ammo for target practice and qualifying tests?

They train with what they duty carry. Back when they caried 357s the DOJ tried to save money by only purchasing 38 wad cutters for quals and proficiency. At then end of the qual they would give you 5 actual 357 rounds to shoot.

Needles to say the performance of the 38 wad cutters vs the 357 was completely different rendering the qualifications useless.

49 posted on 04/05/2013 7:21:35 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: EXCH54FE

Well according to this article Border Patrol has around 94,000,000 rounds. We were burning through about 55 million per month in Iraq in a hot war so unless they are planning on killing a chitload of illegals 94 million rounds should be plenty.


50 posted on 04/05/2013 7:23:59 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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