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Mormon Democrats announce new national, state organizations
Deseret News ^ | April 4, 2013 | Lisa Riley Roche

Posted on 04/04/2013 8:26:04 PM PDT by Colofornian

SALT LAKE CITY — Mormon Democrats announced a new national organization Thursday with chapters in eight states joining the Utah State Democratic Party's year-old LDS Dems Caucus.

The Florida-based head of LDS Democrats of America, Robert Taber, said the organization is intended to counter the perception that "there's only one way to be involved in political life as a good Mormon and that's as a Republican."

The LDS Church itself has a long-standing policy of political neutrality.

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is neutral in matters of party politics,” church spokesman Scott Trotter said.

Taber, who also leads the organization's Florida chapter, said during a conference call to make the announcement that there is a "long and rich tradition" of Mormons participating in the Democratic Party.

But Taber, the former head of Mormons for Obama, the LDS group that backed President Barack Obama's re-election, said it's become harder over the past four decades for Mormons to be Democrats.

"Something we found is that among many Latter-day Saints, a Democrat is a four-letter word, and Republican is just the way things are," Taber said, describing LDS Democrats as suffering from "feelings of isolation."

He said the national organization, as well as the chapters in Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Ohio, Texas and Washington, D.C., is a place for their "coming out and saying, 'We're Latter-day Saints, and we're Democrats.'"

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State Democratic Party Chairman Jim Dabakis said the caucus is a result of the party acknowledging it needs Mormons, who make up about 72 percent of voters in a state where most elected offices are held by Republicans.

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The caucus gained publicity outside Utah for hosting an event featuring the nation's best-known Mormon Democrat, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, at September's Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C...

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Idaho; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: democrats; inman; lds; mormon; political
From the article: SALT LAKE CITY — Mormon Democrats announced a new national organization Thursday with chapters in eight states joining the Utah State Democratic Party's year-old LDS Dems Caucus...He said the national organization, as well as the chapters in Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Ohio, Texas and Washington, D.C., is a place for their "coming out and saying, 'We're Latter-day Saints, and we're Democrats.'"...The caucus gained publicity outside Utah for hosting an event featuring the nation's best-known Mormon Democrat, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, at September's Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C...

Utah's very roots were Democrat.

Why? Because the Democrats in the 19th century opposed the anti-polygamy Congressional legislation in the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s.

Utah statehood arrived in 1896. Per Website content no longer updated, www.media.utah.edu, William Jennings Bryan drew more than 80% of the vote; a variety of Democrats to state and local office were elected then as well. That same year, William H. King was elected to Congress and the Democratic legislature selected Joseph L. Rawlins to serve as U. S. Senator.

1898: Utah Democrats elected B. H. Roberts to Congress although he was denied his seat because of his practice of plural marriage...Roberts took a THIRD wife around 1893...almost three years AFTER the "manifesto" calling for brakes to be applied to polygamy. Roberts was eventually replaced by William H. King in a special April 1900 election.

Previous year (1897): In the Utah state Legislature assuming office 39 in the Utah House of Reps in 1897 were Democrats, only 3 were Republicans & 3 were Populists. In the state Senate, it was a 17-0 shutout for the Democrats (plus one populist).

By 1900, the parties became balanced, and then the Democrats dropped off for a while in Utah as Republican’s Teddy Roosevelt’s ways carried the national day...By the 1920s, Utah elected a three-term Democratic senator...

From: http://www.allaboutmormons.com/misconceptions_mormons_politics.php : “During most of the 19th century, Utah was polarized along local rather than national party lines. Two local parties dominated the political scene: the “Mormon People’s Party” and the “Gentile Liberal Party.” When Mormons did think in terms of national politics, they were almost universally Democrat, as the Republicans opposed Utah statehood. Brigham Young was a life-long Democrat. In order to gain the senate’s approval for statehood, Utah was required to “normalize its political allegiances.” The Church disbanded the Mormon People’s Party but feared that a mass Mormon migration to the Democratic Party would displease Republican senators. Church leaders sent Apostle John Henry Smith to visit LDS congregations. It was possible to be a faithful Mormon and a Republican, he explained to the amazement of many LDS faithful. In 1893, the Church even asked some specific families to become Republicans, a move that would be unimaginable today.

Automatons, eh?

1 posted on 04/04/2013 8:26:04 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Colorornian ... I swear you can turn a story about a dog crossing the road in Utah nto an anti-mormon rant!

So .... there’s actually Mormon Democrats? After 52 years in the LDS Church, I’ve actually met about a dozen.

I’m so glad there isn’t any Evangelical Democrats! How’d you manage that? And if there is, I’m sure that you wouldn’t hesitate to post about them ...

...since afterall, I’m sure that your hearts is freeeeee of any bigotry or bias.


2 posted on 04/04/2013 8:38:38 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: teppe

IMO anyone who does not adhere to the doctrine of their faith is an ‘INO’. There are MINOS, and CINOS, and JINOS. Why do we even care about them? They’re morons. Their religion is liberalism, whatever they say their religion is.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 8:43:16 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Colofornian

I always thought the Reed Smoot hearing (beginning in 1903) was the event that doomed the Democrat standing with the Mormon Church.

You will recall that it concerned the seating of Mr. Smoot, a non-polygamous Mormon. Before it was over, the Rats had called President Joseph F. Smith (Joseph's nephew) as a witness (who frankly admitted that he had never received any personal revelations from Christ and never knew anybody who had), and had uncovered widespread practice of polygamy (despite solemn promises that it had been stopped) -- leading to the Second (this time we really mean it when we promise we're going to stop it) Manifesto.

The Saints have not forgiven the Rat Party for that debacle to this very day.

4 posted on 04/04/2013 8:44:26 PM PDT by Zakeet (If idiots could fly, Washington would be an airport)
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To: teppe
I swear you can turn a story about a dog crossing the road in Utah nto an anti-mormon rant!

Tep, the source for this article is the DesNews, owned by the Mormon church. If you don't want them publishing stuff like this 'cause you interpret it as an "anti-Mormon rant" put out by the Mormon church itself, then just complain DI-rect to the source...or, better yet, stop giving $ to them!

5 posted on 04/04/2013 8:50:27 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: Colofornian

“Utah’s very roots were Democrat.”

So was the Deep South’s. How is that working out for ya?


6 posted on 04/04/2013 8:52:42 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar
“Utah’s very roots were Democrat.” So was the Deep South’s. How is that working out for ya?

And the Deep South's roots was racism. How is that workin' out for ya?

[Point: We all know the transformation that has occurred in the South; and we know the political changes that have taken place in Utah; the point I'm making about Utah Territory & early Utah statehood is that Utah is starting to creep back to those days...now if you want to point out that the Deep South is starting to creep back to its 19th century days as some sort of "parallel," be my guest...but it'll be up to you to supply some facts on that estimation]

7 posted on 04/04/2013 9:05:46 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: teppe

Hey, I just wrote to Harry Reid and thanked him. For years ( since High School actually) I wondered just who the Son’s of Perdition were, because none were ever identified to me. But since I was taught what they did to earn this lofty distinction, it was easy to see that Harry was one of them! Why he hasn’t been excommunicated is beyond most Mormons in California that I know. I just don’t understand how a man who got his financial stake from the Nevada whore houses is still a member!


8 posted on 04/04/2013 9:11:56 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: teppe
Colorornian ... I swear you can turn a story about a dog crossing the road in Utah nto an anti-mormon rant!
So .... there’s actually Mormon Democrats? After 52 years in the LDS Church, I’ve actually met about a dozen.
I’m so glad there isn’t any Evangelical Democrats! How’d you manage that? And if there is, I’m sure that you wouldn’t hesitate to post about them ...
...since afterall, I’m sure that your hearts is freeeeee of any bigotry or bias

Moron democrat: the mother of all contradictions.

9 posted on 04/04/2013 9:18:45 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: teppe

“After 52 years in the LDS Church, I’ve actually met about a dozen.”

FWIW, When David O. McKay was president of the LDS Church, he openly endorsed Richard Nixon over JFK, I heard him say it.
Mormons are overwhelmingly conservative. Utah is the most reliable Republican state in the union. Only Salt Lake City has succumbed to the RATs, and I guess like other places that infestation has it’s genesis in the Northeastern States by way of California.


10 posted on 04/04/2013 9:19:03 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387; teppe; All
Hey, I just wrote to Harry Reid and thanked him. For years ( since High School actually) I wondered just who the Son’s of Perdition were, because none were ever identified to me. But since I was taught what they did to earn this lofty distinction, it was easy to see that Harry was one of them! Why he hasn’t been excommunicated is beyond most Mormons in California that I know. I just don’t understand how a man who got his financial stake from the Nevada whore houses is still a member!

Hey, the BYU elite gave Harry a special platform to tell ALL BYU students & faculty the following:

October 2007: Here’s the FReeper story on that Reid Gets Warm Reception at BYU: Sen. Reid told BYU students: "I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon, not in spite of it."

(Perhaps one of the BYU freshmen in the audience then was Kelsey Jorgenson: “I respect him. I think that he basically does do a good job of representing Mormons in general,” said Kelsey Jorgenson, a BYU student from Las Vegas. “He is a political leader after all, and I think he puts on a good public face. I think it’s a good thing that he is a Democrat and a Mormon.” (BYU Daily Universe, Jan. 13, 2010)

11 posted on 04/04/2013 9:20:01 PM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: vette6387
Sons of Perdition--forever in exile, unwanted. They ARE the Mormons.
Book of Moroni--please. All I can think of is the book of baloney, PHONY Moroni or, of course, phony baloney maroni.
12 posted on 04/04/2013 9:23:43 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Colofornian; vette6387; teppe

I don’t get the Republican Mormons. I am with Harry on this. If you are Mormon you should be supporting Democrats at least nationally. Democrats are going to bring back polygamy and democrats are going to make more programs to support those polygamous families. The rest of the political games doesn’t really matter to Mormons. The sons don’t go to war after school they go on missions. Abortions are also fine in Mormonism, after all the spirit just goes back to the pre-existance to return again. What is there left?


13 posted on 04/04/2013 9:40:48 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: teppe

Without being snarky I don’t believe that you only know of 12 democrat Mormons. I have more than that in my family between inlaws and cousins.


14 posted on 04/04/2013 9:46:07 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: teppe
So the religion that resisted giving up polygamy historically has embraced the liberal, "tell everyone what's good for them and make sure they do it', including abortion on demand up to the delivery of the baby and now gay unions trying to call themselves a marriage!

Who'd a thunk it!

15 posted on 04/04/2013 9:53:47 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: pennyfarmer

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner! You’ve started the Mormon bashing all by yourself. I’m not happy with Mormonism, but you take the cake pal! Must be one of those Born Again Christians who hate everything and everyone who doesn’t share their belief system. Because you just know “you are so right.” Loved your candidates for US Senate last election. (Mourdock and Akin) Why, let’s bring back snake handling, it will be real hit with the voters!!


16 posted on 04/04/2013 9:59:32 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Colofornian

You should be banned for your hatred.

Your a Christian like Nancy Pelosi is a Christian.

All your posts do is validate what the morons in Fresno said of FR


17 posted on 04/04/2013 10:33:07 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: Colofornian

‘We’re Latter-day Saints, and we’re Democrats.’”
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“I’m a Mormon and I’m a Democrat”


18 posted on 04/05/2013 12:01:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: vette6387

Reid showed up to support the Mormon Democrat candidate for mayor of Pocatello a few years ago. The ward building closest to city hall was decked out with banners and balloons welcoming Reid. That would not have been permitted at my ward building in San Diego. The LDS community in the Pocatello area is very old and closely knit. They certainly operate differently from my experience in San Diego.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 12:51:33 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: pennyfarmer

My son went to Kuwait and Iraq with the Marines. Where did your son serve?


20 posted on 04/05/2013 12:54:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NoLibZone
Comparing me to Pelosi is pure hatred.

Therefore, by your own standards, you are to be "banned"

21 posted on 04/05/2013 4:11:37 AM PDT by Colofornian (If BoM is everlasting gospel, why no god as exalted man, 3 glorious degrees, men becoming gods, etc?)
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To: pennyfarmer; Colofornian; vette6387; teppe
I don’t get the Republican Mormons. I am with Harry on this. If you are Mormon you should be supporting Democrats at least nationally. Democrats are going to bring back polygamy and democrats are going to make more programs to support those polygamous families. The rest of the political games doesn’t really matter to Mormons. The sons don’t go to war after school they go on missions. Abortions are also fine in Mormonism, after all the spirit just goes back to the pre-existance to return again. What is there left?

The Rats are running low on dough! Their printing press is about to crash. They need to grab some money from somewhere to keep buying votes. The Mormon Church with its supposed tens of billions in assets is one fat plumb. And that's what's left!

22 posted on 04/05/2013 4:51:46 AM PDT by Zakeet (If idiots could fly, Washington would be an airport)
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To: Colofornian
But Taber, the former head of Mormons for Obama, the LDS group that backed President Barack Obama's re-election, said it's become harder over the past four decades for Mormons to be Democrats.

WHAT!!!???

I'll bet THAT makes for some interesting discussions around the dinner table!

Sounds like a LOT of folks either do NOT know their RELIGION or do NOT know Baraks values!

(Probably both. As Rush would say, "Low information voters."

They've VOTED for Mormonism firat; so I guess failing to choose the right person to elect would just come naturally; too.)

23 posted on 04/05/2013 4:52:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NoLibZone

Where is the hatred?


24 posted on 04/05/2013 4:52:42 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: teppe
Colorornian ... I swear you can turn a story about a dog crossing the road in Utah nto an anti-mormon rant!

teppe; I KNOW that when things are brought up about Mormonism in these threads, directed specifically towards you to comment on; you'll disappear from that thread.

25 posted on 04/05/2013 4:54:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pennyfarmer

I don’t get the Republican Mormons.

Obviously.


26 posted on 04/05/2013 4:55:04 AM PDT by wita
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To: Viennacon; teppe

Does this make teppe a Mino?

MORMON in name only?

A doctrine of Mormonism is found, ironically, in DOCTRINES and Covenants 132:58-66; and it is non-adhered to be MOST Mormons.

Only the TRULY faithful do what it says.


27 posted on 04/05/2013 4:56:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
And the Deep South's roots was racism. How is that workin' out for ya?

DANGER!!!

Dog crossing the road alert!!!





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

28 posted on 04/05/2013 4:58:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NoLibZone
You should be banned for your hatred.

YOU should be ashamed for ACCUSING someone with NO proof.

29 posted on 04/05/2013 5:01:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NoLibZone; Jim Robinson
All your posts do is validate what the morons in Fresno said of FR

Fresco alert!

30 posted on 04/05/2013 5:02:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NoLibZone
You should be banned for your hatred.

Don't you just HATE it when HATRED is exposed on FR???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

31 posted on 04/05/2013 5:04:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

bandwidth hogging drivel.

I hoped your 15 minutes was up after you helped elect Obama. Guess I was wrong


32 posted on 04/05/2013 5:07:55 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: Myrddin
That would not have been permitted at my ward building in San Diego.

The LDS of California do some STRANGE things...


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

33 posted on 04/05/2013 5:09:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert
bandwidth hogging drivel.

Huh?

Quotes from MORMON leaders?

They should be pure as GOLD to you!

But they are merely embarrassing now; eh?

34 posted on 04/05/2013 5:11:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert

The words of the Mormon “prophets” and the LDS doctrine is indeed drivel. There maybe hope for you yet Bert...


35 posted on 04/05/2013 5:12:10 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
The words of the Mormon “prophets” and the LDS doctrine is indeed drivel.

MINOs can't get the SIMPLEST 'doctrine' straight!


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



36 posted on 04/05/2013 5:16:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Placemark


37 posted on 04/05/2013 7:33:55 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: teppe

Really, did you read the story?


38 posted on 04/05/2013 7:07:58 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: teppe

This article is from a mormon production, about mormons, and democrat mormons.
Funny really, I would guess based on my mormon family that there are more democrats than republicans, but doesn’t really matter.....it’s how they vote which is interesting.


39 posted on 04/05/2013 7:14:06 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: NoLibZone

You got it! And then there is that If then Else woman posting extended excerpts from the Mormon literature as IF she were promoting Mormonism, but no, she’s another hater.

A Conservative respects other people’s faiths, and doesn’t engage in fruitless debates.


40 posted on 04/05/2013 7:17:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Myrddin

I will play. My sons are not old enough. I served in Bosnia and was a reservist for a few years but never got deployed during GWOT.


41 posted on 04/05/2013 10:06:46 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: vette6387

I just call it like I see it. The duplicity in the Mormon church is so horrendous. I really could not understand their outward support for prop 8 in CA. It blows my mind that they would stand up for traditional marriage. True LDS people know that polygamy is supposed to come back. Why would they block the very law that would allow them to operate openly? It would be like a lion advocating a vegan lifestyle. It is that crazy.


42 posted on 04/05/2013 10:13:22 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: pennyfarmer

“I just call it like I see it. The duplicity in the Mormon church is so horrendous.”

You hate Mormons! Why don’t you just come out and say it! I’d also like to know just how “you know” Mormons can’t wait for polygamy to be legal. I’m not particularly happy with a couple of other religions ( and that includes the Mormons), but I don’t trash them making my points. In today’s world, you could to a whole lot worse than being a Mormon. At least they believe in the family unit. But you go right ahead and continue your spew. It’s your right to do it, as distasteful as it is.


43 posted on 04/05/2013 10:40:15 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: pennyfarmer
One of the young men in my ward served a mission and graduated from West Point before going on to serve in military. I joined the church after I got married and had 3 sons. As a DoD contractor, I've delivered software to sites at SHAPE in Belgium, Ramstein in Germany, Naples in Italy and Izmir in Turkey. My next destination was Mod UK, but I had to defer so we had travel money to cover another employee for another site. Some other projects put my on aircraft that required survival training at PAX. Not a full time military career, but I did grow up in a Navy family where my dad was deployed half of my life.

My ward in Mira Mesa (San Diego) was full of Navy pilots from Miramar as well as some Navy doctors who were called to serve out of the country when things heated up for Desert Storm. There's plenty of LDS people serving in the military. They aren't dodging service to go on missions.

44 posted on 04/05/2013 10:57:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: vette6387

Wow, it is easier to just scream hate than it is to deal with the issues...


45 posted on 04/06/2013 7:16:55 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

“Wow, it is easier to just scream hate than it is to deal with the issues...”

Just what “issues”? Mormons teamed up with the Catholics here in California to try and preserve the sanctity of marriage (Prop 8), but you seem to think that they are just foaming at the mouth to start plural marriage again. Maybe you should consider going after the Jewish judges that have been wreaking havoc on our society like the Gay Jew, Vaughn Walker who overturned Prop 8, or Mariana Pfaelzer the jewish judge who overturned Prop 187 a few years ago to force the citizens of this state to support illegal aliens. Then there’s Bloomberg, Feinstein, Emmanuel each doing his or her best to drive this country to Marxism! Jews represent about 2% of our population, but thanks their Secular Progressive/Marxist philosophy, the are doing real, permanent damage to our society. When you look at what they are doing, the Mormons aren’t even on the radar screen.


46 posted on 04/06/2013 11:50:11 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Colofornian

Mormon Democrats - Two mistakes


47 posted on 04/06/2013 11:53:28 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: vette6387; ejonesie22
look over there photo lookoverthere.jpg
48 posted on 04/06/2013 12:00:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. This is NOT a martyr's death!)
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To: greyfoxx39
Mitt Romney Terrified What Will Happen If He Ever Stops Running For President
49 posted on 04/06/2013 12:25:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith died in a gun battle. This is NOT a martyr's death!)
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To: vette6387

“Yes” would suffice and required less typing...


50 posted on 04/06/2013 7:57:26 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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