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Lost and found, the first find of an early human artwork
Phys.Org ^ | 03-21-2013 | Provided by Natural History Museum

Posted on 03/21/2013 2:31:27 PM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 03/21/2013 2:31:28 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping!..........


2 posted on 03/21/2013 2:31:48 PM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Revolting cat!

Gog’s wife put it out during a yard sale. It didn’t go with the couch. Said, “this is a FAMILY cave....”


3 posted on 03/21/2013 2:34:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

Could be, but more likely infant Zigzag too off with it and crawled all the way across the cave floor to hide it. Clearly it was HIS TOY ~ see the horse’s smile?


4 posted on 03/21/2013 2:38:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Red Badger

Very interesting


5 posted on 03/21/2013 2:39:25 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Red Badger
I'm confused:

A 14,000-year-old engraved reindeer antler is possibly the first piece of early human art ever found.

The oldest examples of representational art found so far are ivory figurines of animals and humans from early Aurignacian (Upper Palaeolithic) sites in Germany, dated at 35-40,000 years.

6 posted on 03/21/2013 2:43:31 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Thank you. I was going to mention something similar.


7 posted on 03/21/2013 2:45:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

I suppose the distinction between “found” and “discovered” should have been expressed more clearly.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 2:47:29 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Representational art, is art that is carved in the shape of something like an animal or human. This antler is a picture of a horse, not carved into the shape of a horse......


9 posted on 03/21/2013 2:50:50 PM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Zeneta

Well obviously if the 14,000 year old antler is the first work of early human art ever found, then the 40,000 year old ivory figurines of animals and humans weren’t made by humans.

I’m also confused. A report today said that modern DNA was 338,000 years old. but we waited until 14,000 years ago to produce art? I’m not sure that any of it has credibility.


10 posted on 03/21/2013 2:51:21 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

That’s just the y-chromosome, and you know what that one’s for!


11 posted on 03/21/2013 2:52:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Zeneta

This was found submerged in a jar of urine. That removes all doubt that it is art.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 2:52:46 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DannyTN
I understand your confusion but I read that NBC News was involved.  photo antler_zpsc8ecb13c.jpg
13 posted on 03/21/2013 2:53:18 PM PDT by super7man
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This is something that my horse-crazy daughter would do... she’s constanly drawing horses on things.


14 posted on 03/21/2013 2:53:43 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: super7man

The term “NBC News” confuses me too.


15 posted on 03/21/2013 2:54:10 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Zeneta

It was found around 1800, before the German sites were known. Therefore it was possibly “the first piece of early human art ever found.” The comment does not refer to the age of the object.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 2:54:14 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Red Badger
There are no known records of early human artwork finds before this time and so it is the first, or one of the first, discoveries of Stone Age portable art.

So, although not know at the time, it is the "first discovery" or find.

Early humans and art The engraving shows part of a figure of a horse, and was made by stone age people (modern humans) towards the end of the last ice age.

Although these people were hunter-gatherers, living before agriculture and domestication of animals had begun, they were nevertheless skilled technicians and artists. In the 1800s very little was known about the early history of humans, especially the fact that our species had been around for many hundreds of thousands of years, along with relatives such as the Neanderthals. So the significance of discoveries like the Neschers antler largely went unrecognised at the time.,/i>

Fine

Since the late 1800s many other carved objects, along with painted caves, have been discovered that show evidence of the art which early humans were creating.

The oldest examples of representational art found so far are ivory figurines of animals and humans from early Aurignacian (Upper Palaeolithic) sites in Germany, dated at 35-40,000 years.

At the end of the day, this is very poorly written.

The article should say, and the news here is; Representational art older than pictorial art, as far as we can tell.

Or

Simply say we found some really cool old art that had been overlooked for nearly 200 years.

17 posted on 03/21/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Bernard Marx

Yes it does.

It clearly states the object is 14,000 years old.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 3:19:45 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Your comment brings to mind something I’ve asked Sunken_civ before.

Where are all the bad artworks from the past?

Seriously, it seems that we only find stuff that actually looks decent. Not the best mind you, but at least a fair representation of the subject.

Where are all the “trail and errors” of aspiring artists?

You would think there would be more bad stuff than good.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 3:28:52 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Red Badger
A 14,000-year-old engraved reindeer antler

Can they prove the engraving was done at the time the antler was shed, or could it have been added later ... say, 'long about 1800?

20 posted on 03/21/2013 3:35:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Now with more LOL and less UNNNGH.)
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