Skip to comments.Racists Have No Place in the Conservative Movement (ZO!)
Posted on 03/20/2013 9:57:49 AM PDT by mnehring
Zo has strong words for neo-confederate libertarians, especially those who infiltrated the CPAC conference. He reminds viewers why some libertarians have no place in the conservative movement, and why Republicans should embrace the vision of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.
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If you don’t know who Scott Terry is (the guy jumping up calling for segregation), he is a White Nationalist whose website (which I’m sure I can’t link to here) references and advertises for sites like Stormfront, Council of Conservative Citizens (not Conservative in spite of the name) and AmRen. He is also a regular on COCC and Stormfront radio.
We need to make sure these racist trolls don’t infiltrate our organizations. Buckley had them kicked out in the 50s and 60s, it is time for another purge.
Terry’s comment that slaves should have been ‘grateful for the food and shelter’ (paraphrased) sounds a lot like modern dems who promise all sorts of goodies in exchange for liberty. Instead of working crops, they just expect working the voting booth.
Very true. The Conservatives need to be colorblind, not to the point of politically correct but to weed out the ijits like Duke and his ilk.
Personally I find that there are just as many, if not more, black racists as there are white, and that a great deal of the stormfronters want to keep in like communities. The nonsegregation has to be because people want it. Obama has probably destroyed 50, if not a hundred years of movement towards true colorblindness.
I’m not racist, but I am culturalist...and the fact is many blacks, and whites for that matter, subscribe to an inferior culture, and it’s time to call them on it.
Indeed. There’s some serious weeding to do.
The culture of liberalism.
But of course, if you criticize culture, you still get labelled as a racist.
Gee, I thought this was a ZOT thread.
Funny, I am a veteran, large business owner, never done drugs, have a crew cut, am devoutly Chrisitan, and also a political lower-case-l libertarian.
I recognize that government is inherantly liberal and secular, and the best way for me and my family to safely and independently live a Christian life is for the government to pretty much leave everyone alone, except where it just absolutely cannot.
Why is “neo-Confederate” treated as synonymous with “racist”?
Simple truth is that if you go into any random conservative ‘white’ home in America and ask “Do you hate black people?”, you’ll get no for an answer. Why? Because any truly conservative person does not hate anyone based on skin color. You’ll hear complaints about gangs, Rap, welfare queens and the like. But that is not ultimately a black issue. It’s a liberal one. And why shouldn’t people bitch? It has wrecked both blacks, their families and the country as a whole.
Most of us know/are related to blacks that are no different than we are, simply because blacks ARE “we”. This entire issue comes down to liberalism and what it has done to us collectively.
Now the argument can be made that whites and blacks are two distinct people and to an extent, that is true, just as a NYC socialite and an Alaskan Eskimo are ‘different people’. But that’s neither here nor there. We are all human and share the same biology. If an 8 limbed insectoid alien landed on earth, there would be a true difference. So where am I going with this?
Each and every problem facing white/black relations can be solved by eliminating liberalism from the equation.
Who foments racism? Liberals.
Who keeps blacks subservient and on the plantation? Liberals.
Who creates tensions where none exist? Liberals.
Left to our own devices, we all get along just fine. Is it one big hyper integrated lovefest? No. Why? Because that’s human nature. Whites don’t all love each other. Blacks don’t all love each other. Individuality has that outcome.
Problem? Liberalism and it’s effect on everything. Solution? See above.
Because in the original sense of the term (coined by William F Buckley) it was specifically about racist elements in the party. I know some others have taken up the name too but the general term was specifically about them. (Of course many of the racists who use that term proclaim they aren’t really racist- probably like the Terry character in the video.) Reminds me of liberals saying they aren’t really liberal but ‘progressive’.
Subscribe, shoot, glorify an inferior culture.
Because libs have learned that Orwell had it right. When you control the language, you control the argument and ultimately the culture.
Because there is a strong correlation, not a causation, between ethnicity and culture,
and leftists don’t want to address actual cultural problems,
because that would imply some cultures as better than others,
leading to the question “which one is best”,
they will “shut up” the criticism with a dirty accusation of “racism”.
I’m in the under-40 set and among my age group there are a disturbing number of new so-called “conservatives” who are trying to use the Tea Party and other conservative groups as masks for their white nationalist schtick. They think that just because they oppose the Zero that we’ll let them in. We kick ‘em straight out once we find out their true beliefs (Like Belushi said, “I hate Illinois Nazis.”), but they keep coming.
I almost wonder if those infiltrators - I have no better word for them - are in the pay of a liberal group. I can think of no other reason why a bunch of white nationalists would come out of the woodwork NOW. Whether they are plants or not, we conservatives need to be vigilant and keep the ranks pruned of that type of badness.
I think it is reverse from what many think. Liberals use and manipulate elements within cultures to keep groups separate. ‘Rap’ or Hip Hop culture for example. When you get down to the bare bones, it is just music, and every music has various fashion and lifestyle elements associated with it. The left however, has used it as a tool of racial segregation by praising being separate and against many of the unifying elements of our nation.
When we address it this way versus the way many on our side do, we possibly can get ahead of this game the left is playing to keep racial divisions alive.
Nor is there room for the racism’s opposite, just as ugly,venal and vile=political correctness.
On the way to a doctors appt., I was flipping through XM. you know the typical one second click to see if anything caught my attention that we all do.
When I got into the ‘urban’ stations here’s what I heard back to back to back...
Three stations in a row, three clicks, three “Nxgger” refrences...
This is not a joke or a made up example. It really happened to me. What are the odds? Actually pretty high when you look at the lyrics of modern rap ‘music’. And who pushes it? There’s the problem.
Said if for years, Rap and Hip Hop culture is the KKK’s dream come true.
And for years you have been correct.
It’s a multicultural/tribal world. That’s the future. If Black/Latino/Arab/Asian/etc... organizations aren’t racist to accept it, neither am I.
They have plenty of seats at the table in the democratic party!
And the same time, screaming PC is often used as cover for vileness.
Yes, the true racists are on the left,
just as the truly “greedy” are on the left,
both of which they accuse the right of.
Really? How can anything that conservatives say or do compete with Free Stuff? Urban blacks aren't chumps: why work when you can access free, no strings attached programs that pay for your food, your rent, your meds and even your cell phone? And more to the point, why vote for the candidate that wants to limit your access to Free Stuff?
We must save America without urban blacks, or despite them. They aren't going to be willing to help themselves any time soon.
The “urban culture” would reform in about 2 generations if the free stuff policies were cut off and normal American behavioral standards were expected.
1. Free Stuff ends.
2. Free Stuff recipients react.
2A. Unknown. Could be nothing, could be fullbore SHTF. I suspect the latter.
4. New generation unaccustomed to Free Stuff reacculturates to American society.
So be pathetic and insulting if you want but I will question your motives.
What is pathetic and insulting about what I wrote?
Lowercase libertarian is an entirely different animal from a Liebrtarian, just as a lowercase liberal is an entirely different animal from a Liberal.
The current problem is that the “Obama People” have the brains of a garden gnome, if that.
Lol. I have mellowed out a lot over the last 5 years or so, used to be sort of a zealot. Now I find some of the most thoughtful and intelligent people are ones I once fought tooth and nail :).
But the progressives fight this as a war, and they’ve been at it for far longer than we have.
There’s one black man living in my little town and he tells me some of the damaging things conservatives are doing and he is a conservative from Detroit.
The lack of tact is killing us. Truth is fine but there are ways of telling the truth that don’t immediately set up an adversarial conversation. Its like when we speak of Detroit, somebody immediately declares them to be liberal democrats when that isn’t quite factual. The reality is that the politicians are simply corrupt and would be corrupt no matter what party or race they were. The people themselves aren’t liberal, they’re apathetic and without hope.
Then there is the matter of who we speak with and how we do it. My neighbor suggests taking the faith and family message to elderly blacks who are most receptive of it and pass it on. He also suggests being the bigger man and ignoring the verbal racism that comes from blacks.
Next week at my neighbor’s I’m meeting with a Detroit pastor (and his mother) who wants to know what it was like to grow up poor, rural, and white. He wants to work on a series of sermons about our similarities outside of race. The pastor also wants to talk to my neighbor about how much things have changed for he and his family since leaving the city.
People can call it pandering all they want but I’ve got nothing to give but respect.
I think a majority of Conservatives are colorblind. It’s the Democrats that pander to different races and ethnic groups while throwing White males to the curb.
Only a philosophy of collective groups(socialism)allows (in fact demands) racist thought as the individual is irrelevant ..you are judged by your group and not on your own merit
...the common cry of racist is "those people are all the same"... The common cry socialism is "all people must be made the same" by state force
So is modern American conservatism a philosophy of individual responsibility (and therefor incompatible with racist thought) ..or not?
I remember that you said the same last night and I fully agree, hell even liberal terians use the Govt out of our lives means let me smoke drugs, be a druggie, have sex wiht anything, do anything I want as it;s all about me and then pretend they;re conservative using the Govt out of our lives theme.
I have one stalking me or he just won;t let it go and can;t understand he;s not a republican.
Always the same tired boring crap of Govt out of our lives, make drugs legal bla bla
They twist the words and then try to make us change our platform and views to suit them and their ego agenda.
I’m sick of them and all of them should be thrown out of our party if they cannot get it into their drugged up minds that they have more agreement with the radical left.
When we see the racists pretending to be conservatives then our party had better do something.
those calling themselves conservatives or republicans but really are liberal tarians are more in tune with the radical left than our side and they need to understand to piss off and spout their crap elsewhere
The term has no definite meaning I'm aware of. However, it is reasonable to apply it to those who think the Confederacy was in the right.
Now it is theoretically possible for a modern person to think the CSA was right only in its desire for state sovereignty, without bringing along all the white supremacist stuff usually associated with support for the Confederacy. Recognizing that white supremacy was an almost universally held POV by white people in the 1860s. North and South.
Unfortunately that's not really the way it works out. While northern racists (most northerners) didn't want to live around or have anything to do with blacks, the dominant southern ideology was a very definite Master Race ideology, and we all know where that tends to lead over time. IOW, southern racism insisted blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters, while northern racism wished blacks would just go away.
While neither POV is admirable or defensible by modern standards, northern racism was at least willing to leave other races alone.
Mechanization would eventually have done away with the need for slaves, and without bankrupting the Southern agrarian economy. I highly doubt that ANYONE -- North or South -- "insisted blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters."
I personally believe that the Confederacy WAS in the right as far as the state sovereignty question is concerned. And while I freely admit to being a racist, since I do not beg forgiveness from black people for sins I've never committed, I do not see myself as a White Supremacist, nor do I align myself with that ideology, which I regard as laughably stupid.
And for what it's worth, I am from an area about as far north of the Mason-Dixon as you can get.
bump for later.. looks like a good post that isn’t worthy of an attempted response when i am freeping on a cellphone
That sounds like a joke in poor taste nothing more.
I honestly don’t understand Zo’s overreaction. He is of course right that slavery was exactly what the Government offers with shelter and food at the compelled cost of liberty.
Such is an evil practice regardless of what does it, as it is forced upon the individuals with which it involves.
That being said I can never again be an advocate of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln may not have believed in the private institution of slavery(A lot of people north and south, prior and certainly after didn’t). But his defining action was not the ending of that institution but rather the ending of the consent of the Governed among theses united States.
That of course opened the door for anther kind of slavery otherwise implicit in the very nature of Government without the consent of the Governed.
It is for that simple reason that I can never again embrace Abraham Lincoln, not because I support slavery but because I am in the strongest of terms against it in all its forms.
“I personally believe that the Confederacy WAS in the right as far as the state sovereignty question is concerned. And while I freely admit to being a racist, since I do not beg forgiveness from black people for sins I’ve never committed, I do not see myself as a White Supremacist, nor do I align myself with that ideology, which I regard as laughably stupid.”
Racist is to demand someone pay for an injustice committed by anther simply because of their race.
You are NOT racist and you should NEVER allow anyone to forget that fact. You must remember most of their constituency are little more than useful idiots when it comes to words and will Not understand the contraction of their actions with words they don’t understand.
check post 3. I understand Zo’s frustration and i may have reacted the same way as zo knowing who the guy was. this wasnt an overreaction. this was a white nationalist from stormfront getting in front of cameras telling african americans they should thank people for slavery and segregation is good. if the cameras weren’t on I would probably have grabbed him by his belt loops and thrown him out of the place and told him to get back to the teddy kennedy demokkkrat party
This I did not know, All I saw was what the man said and judging by what he said and how he said it it appeared to me to be nothing more than a poor tasting sense of humor.
Perhaps he was intending to open a dialogue regarding the injustice some demand of today’s white population for an injury they no more inflicted, than today’s black population has sustained.
Slavery died 150 years ago, it is our mission as conservatives to see to it that it remains dead in all its form, whether that form be a private institution supported by Government, or a public system created and run by government.
Never said that. Said they believed different things.
I highly doubt that ANYONE -- North or South -- "insisted blacks be forever enslaved for the benefit of their white masters."
Then you just aren't very familiar with the period. In 1800 the consensus, South and North, was that slavery was a bad thing, but nobody knew how to get rid of it safely.
By 1860 most in the North still believed this, but in the South a new consensus had emerged, that slavery of the black man to the white man was the natural order of things, and therefore a positive good.
The new veep of the CSA made an impromptu speech shortly after his election, that as far as I've ever been able to find out was received with unanimous acclaim throughout the South.
" Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."
I have by no means taken Mr. Stephens out of context. If you like I can find dozens or hundreds of similar quotes that show the South had developeda consensus that slavery was a positive good that should be extended indefinitely both in time and space.
What you’ve posted is very much in line with the secession documents of all of the States. The Confederacy wasn’t about State liberty, they were very narrow focused on a few issues and were very much anti-individual liberty. They didn’t give a rat’s ass about the 10th amendment or Constitutional values. They were even willing to set up a new monocrachy (and for anyone who doesn’t believe this, read the articles of secession by each state).