Well if your fantasy is mass deportation, which even the border hawk Romney wouldnt defend, then you deserve it.
But if they are bringing up mass deportation which no one elected suggests as a straw man for amnesty, that is different and changing the subject.
As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.
Calling those ones trafficed here as kids and raised here criminals is just seen as demanding they where a sign labeled ‘illegal’ on their clothes as a gold star.
Heck, dont the Muslims sentence raped wimmin to beatings for fornication? I bet that lowers the rapes, or reported ones anyway.
Romney used immigration to destroy Perry then they came out to vote to make sure he lost. If Romney won on that stand then it could be a different game.
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does. Romney was right on self-deportation--he just used some in-artful terms.
As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.
Those who buy the leftist framing of the issue, yes. The reality is that they are the lucky ones who had the privilege of having access to our schools and medical facilities. Plyler versus Doe should be revisited. If you read the decision, you will find it was based on costs to the school district, i.e., they were minimal. Things have changed with one out of ten is country being the child of an illegal alien, either brought here or born here. The costs are enormous. Here in Fairfax County, VA, we pay $104 million a year just in ESOL costs for 31,000 foreign language students out of 181,000 students in the system. The number of ESOL students grew by a third in just the past year.
Calling those ones trafficed here as kids and raised here criminals is just seen as demanding they where a sign labeled ‘illegal’ on their clothes as a gold star. Heck, dont the Muslims sentence raped wimmin to beatings for fornication? I bet that lowers the rapes, or reported ones anyway.
The legal term is unauthorized alien. The Left likes to use such terms as undocumented worker rather than illegal alien because that is "demeaning." This PC crap has to stop. When you commit a crime there are consequences. Are we supposed to call them undocumented students? Guest students? Comparing them to Holocaust victims wearing gold stars is beyond the pale.
In Muslim countries, if that is your standard, they usually kill the women thru honor killings. In fact there have been honor killings by Muslims in the US and Germany.
Romney used immigration to destroy Perry then they came out to vote to make sure he lost. If Romney won on that stand then it could be a different game.
Perry deserved to be destroyed over his stand. Romney should have been even tougher on the immigration issue. Unfortunately he toned it down due to pressure from Murdoch. Immigration can be a winning issue for Reps who know how to use it. For example, Romney should have pointed out the insanity of bringing in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year while 23 million Americans were looking for full time employment. Or pointing out the disproportionate and high use of welfare by immigrants? Or the wisdom of adding 130 million to our population over the next 40 years, 80% due to immigration and its impact on infrastructure, the environment, etc.
A lot of FReepers and others have a fantasy in mind that would equate to justice, but there’s nobody to ever enforce that so it will never happen. But the fantasy takes on a life of its own...never mind there’s nobody in charge to make it happen.
A good example is a post advocating that “Obama be arrested and put in jail” right out of the WH.
Oh yeah? Who’s gonna do THAT??
Another is massive deportation. Who’s gonna do THAT??
You didn’t say whether you thought Perry should’ve been destroyed, just that Romney did that over the issue of illegal immigration but went on to lose.
I went through the “destroy Perry” wars. I have the scars to prove it. Let me once more put forward this truth: The Texas legislature passed the bill, overwhelmingly with overwhelmingly veto-proof margins, to provide in-state tuition rates to the children who were brought here by adults, if they met certain listed requirements. Perry thought that was reasonable since they HAD to be educated in our schools by federal law, anyways, through high school.
HOWEVER.
Perry’s actual position on illegal immigration is that the feds are refusing to secure the border and that the border must be secured, period, period, PERIOD, before he will entertain talk about what to do next.
YOu will note, this push for “reform” pays lip service to that, but is pushing all sorts of final solutions in the same breath as mentioning border security.
Rick Perry has the position that you don’t even talk about any of that now. You just focus on securing the border. Until it is secured. I submit to you that is NOVEL. And I submit he has so much to offer and has been sufficiently mischaracterized on illegal immigration, that he did not deserve to be destroyed.
So Mr RomneyCare was right to destroy Rick Perry over immigration? What about RomneyCare/Obamacare as a worthy issue to destroy somebody over???
This morning Gov. Perry was on with Beck. I missed most of it but heard Perry’s response about Texas having its own gold that it has so far not been allowed to see and inventory, just as others have not been allowed to. Beck said, but Governor, you (TX) might not have the final say as to whether you get access to inventory your state’s gold...what then?
Perry chuckled. He chuckled for some time, There was an ironic, hard-edge to his laugh. Finally he drawled, “Since it’s OUR gold, we won’t face a situation where others have the say over it”. Or something like that. I’ve paraphrased.
I love Rick Perry. I understand “TEXAN”.
Is he perfect? Nobody is. What are we having to face right now about Rand Paul. And I submit to you that Rand is so far to the left of Perry on illegal immigration, it isn’t even funny. In this ridiculous speech, Rand even talks about a “bipartisan” Congress running his immigration plan.
Bipartisan Congress???
But if they are bringing up mass deportation which no one elected suggests as a straw man for amnesty, that is different and changing the subject.
Bringing up history is never a stray man. The current coversation is liberal position A and hard left position B.
As I said, kids trafficed to here and raised here with the support of the government as the courts now entitle them to (the kids) public school and then they get that degree, are seen as victims and they will aways be seen as such. Romney learned that the hard way.
The proper thing is to speak to the America people past the corrupt corporations and to say "Children do not benefit from the crimes of their parents in America. I I break into your home and drop off my kid, he does not become your responsibility or a member of your family without you having a say so."
These kids aren't victims. They beneficiaries of a crime. They should not be punished in any way. They should simply be sent home.