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States balk at $15B Obama healthcare 'tax'
The Hill ^ | 3/08/13 | Ben Goad

Posted on 03/10/2013 3:28:59 AM PDT by Libloather

A newly unveiled component of President Obama’s healthcare law forcing insurers to pay annual fees is sowing angst in state capitols, where officials view the provision as a $15 billion tax that could disrupt Medicaid programs and other services.

The health insurance providers fee, included in the healthcare reform law over the objections of congressional Republicans, is designed to raise tens of billions of dollars in the coming years.

In Wisconsin alone, the fee would hit the state’s coffers to the tune of $23 million in 2014, and will likely total more than that in subsequent years, said J.P. Wieske, legislative liaison and public information officer for the state’s Commissioner of Insurance.

The blow to Wisconsin’s private insurance market would be far higher – $3 billion over the next 10 years, Wieske said.

The proposed regulation’s details were published this week, and prompted harsh criticism from the health insurance industry, which warns that the fees would ultimately raise the price of healthcare. The Obama administration has countered that the insurer fee is just one of many provisions, which, taken together, would drive costs down.

But in states that participate in Medicaid managed care plans, the fee would be painful. One study commissioned by the Medicaid Health Plans of America found that states would be on the hook for $15 billion over the next ten years.

“That’s dangerous,” said Bruce Greenstein, Louisiana’s health secretary. “I have deep concerns.”

Greenstein said the fee is tantamount to discrimination, since some plans – including those offered by certain nonprofit healthcare providers – are exempt from the fee.

Administration officials did not imemditaely respond to requests for comment on the concern from states.

Nationwide, fees assessed on non-exempt insurers would total $8 billion next year and rise thereafter, eclipsing $14 billion in 2018, according to the Internal Revenue Service, which drafted the proposed rule. The fees would vary in size, depending on a firm’s net premiums, and would come due by Sept. 30 every year.

In Wisconsin, some smaller private insurers were considering changing their business model to nonprofit status because of the added costs, Wieske said.

For states offering Medicaid managed care, however, that is not an option.

Ultimately, the fee will raise the costs of Medicaid programs, which are funded by a combination of federal and state money, said Joe Moser, executive director for Medicaid Health Plans of America (MHPA).

The trade group opposes the fee in general and is pressing for its repeal. Short of that, Moser said, MHPA would support changes that exempt Medicaid. from the provision.

During consideration of the Affordable Care Act, congressional Republicans fought unsuccessfully to scrap the fees. Another attempt to do away with them is now under way in the House, where Reps. Charles Boustany Jr. (R-La.) and Jim Matheson (D-Utah) are pressing a bill to repeal the provision.

Even if the House were to pass the bill, it would have a tough road forward in the Senate and would likely face a veto from Obama.

Opponents, meanwhile, are trying to build their case against the fee. Already, the fee is a top issue for health insurers who contract with states, said Jonathan Dinesman, vice president of government relations for Centene Corporation, a managed care company based in St. Louis.

“This fee will discourage states from enrolling more people,” he said. “It contradicts the objectives of the ACA.”

Dinesman said Centene was still analyzing the language of the proposed rule. Beyond legislation to block or repeal the fee, opponents can submit public comments on the proposal for the next three months and otherwise seek to influence its language during the rulemaking process.

“Everything’s on the table,” he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: healthcare; irs; obamacaretax; states; taxes
"That’s dangerous"

Always has been. Pelosi knew all about it.

1 posted on 03/10/2013 3:28:59 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

obama intends to kill you one way or another. Either through death panels or taxing you to death. Either way, you’re dead.


2 posted on 03/10/2013 3:36:40 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Libloather
[The Obama administration has countered that the insurer fee is just one of many provisions, which, taken together, would drive costs down.]

Say what?

3 posted on 03/10/2013 3:44:34 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Adding taxes drives cost down. I’ve always said that.


4 posted on 03/10/2013 3:53:23 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican, no Conservative was on the ballot.)
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To: Libloather

“A newly unveiled component of President Obama’s healthcare law”...

Oh that’s right this was voted on before it was even read... how long has it been since this crap sandwich of a bill was passed? “newly unveiled”.... raiiiiight.

When does it end?

I no longer have any tolerance for liberals, period. If you vote for the sort of people who enacted a bill like this... and continue to vote for them... you are attacking me, personally.


5 posted on 03/10/2013 3:55:32 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Libloather
The health industry is dying as in Canada, England and elsewhere. Doctors are leaving their practices by the droves; physcian assistants are going to fill those slots; death panels are coming; and us older generation are going to die like as proclaimed by the all so great English death panels that are already in place.

Here's my future as I see it:
When the Palin death panels materialize (which are already being discussed for "end of life familiarizaion"), and my loved ones have to die early because of Obamacare limitations, I am going to take a shit load of people with me.

We all die - no problem with that, but if they make me or mine die in pain before our time and because of their political agendas, I'm taking a shitload of them with me. I'll start with the politicians. Watch me - I have a plan I won't share here.

6 posted on 03/10/2013 3:59:48 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The lack of a tax is a cost in their lexicon, so by correcting this defect, and proberly instituting the missing tax, they have both colosed a loophole obviously abused by the evil rich [anyone who still has a nickel], and concurrently driven down the cost to government, by ensuring that the last person with a nickle ponies it up, with retroactive penalties, to be disclosed later.

But all of this should be obvious to the casual observer.

The important thing, is that Obama is sure that we share the same vision for America. You know, no guns except in the hands of government and criminals - but I repeat myself - no one with a nickel left, the red flag as the world flag, free room and board for all, at camp work will set you free, uhhh ...

Was that my outside voice?


7 posted on 03/10/2013 4:04:18 AM PDT by patton (“Really? Have you tried chewing cloves?”)
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Well, now that it’s been passed, you get to find out what’s in it. Is anyone surprised?


8 posted on 03/10/2013 4:12:23 AM PDT by Cololeo (`)
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To: A Navy Vet

You’re not alone.


9 posted on 03/10/2013 4:14:15 AM PDT by Cololeo (`)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Adding taxes drives cost down. I’ve always said that.

I hear ya.

10 posted on 03/10/2013 4:31:50 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Cololeo

The House of Representatives needs to grow some balls and defund Obiecare and file impeachment charges. 0 has done far more to be impeached than all of the other presidents that were impeached did combined.


11 posted on 03/10/2013 4:33:31 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Libloather

Every elected Republican with backbone should be repeating this over and over........oooops Republican with backbone?


12 posted on 03/10/2013 4:44:06 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: A Navy Vet
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Everyone needs a plan, and list. Our enemies are ruthless and cannot be dealt with politely. Our enemies will kill whole families. The young. The old. They are the types who put people in cattle cars and take them to camps. Our response cannot be to "get out the vote".

13 posted on 03/10/2013 4:47:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: patton
For a long time the White House kept insisting that $500 billion being stripped out of Medicare to help finance ObamaCare was a “savings” that was actually beneficial to Medicare and its clients. In their ObamaCare cost formula they counted this $500 billion twice—once as revenue and once as savings.
14 posted on 03/10/2013 4:47:59 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Yes, they did.


15 posted on 03/10/2013 4:53:04 AM PDT by patton (“Really? Have you tried chewing cloves?”)
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To: A Navy Vet

Re your post #6, I’ll bet you’re not alone.

If some death panel causes the death of my wife, its members are going to need Secret Service protection.


16 posted on 03/10/2013 6:27:52 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Libloather
Obamacare was never about health care.

Obamacare is about stealing other people's money under color of law.

17 posted on 03/10/2013 9:39:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: A Navy Vet
Here's my future as I see it:

Dang! I empathize with what you say here. And, what I see is that no matter what happens in the next four years and beyond, Obamacare will not be repealed (please let me be wrong). Even if there was an outcry so loud that the Senate would vote along with the House to repeal this abomination, President Apocalypse, in his utter arrogance, will veto it.

Obamacare will "cover" many uninsured. By design, there will be enough takers to outvote the producers with the Dem party and MSM wailing, "the Repubs want to take away your healthcare". Very much like Social Security and Medicare fear mongering.

The only hope I see at this point is the redoubt of the state governments refusing to implement and fund the hydra of regulations and rules(may God help us).

One day, I hope that the low information voter stops asking the what and the why about Obamacare and asks the real question, what is the agenda?

18 posted on 03/10/2013 10:36:47 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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