Posted on 03/06/2013 8:04:23 PM PST by Kaslin
I fail to see how it makes any kind of difference whether you use a sniper or a drone.
It's the killing that would be unconstitutional, not the mechanism.
Huge difference between a sniper and a drone. You can protect your home from intruders. You can keep guns at home to defend yourself from an attacker. But a drone can demolish your home in a second with a rocket. Your guns are entirely useless against a drone.
Cruz’ speech in the senate today was great. He’s a real patriot. No sign of John and Lindsey. They’re probably making out.
I’d love to hear of someone shooting down a drone with a .50 BMG and claiming self-defense because the drne was armed.
Better yet, I’d love to hear of a drone being shot down by a round (or 2 or 3) from a .50 BMG and no one getting arrested for it.
The drones have been successful because it is almost silent, and can operate in dark of the night.
It's like a scene out of a 'Terminator' movie. Incredibly, it's being discussed as a near-term possibility...
Holder?...He’s white...look at him.
There’s nothing black about him.
Good point.
Consider the Federal Sniper shooting of a mother and baby at Ruby Ridge - - - - .
Nonsense. Your guns are useless against heavy weaponry, not heavy weaponry mounted on a drone.
You can keep guns at home to defend yourself from an attacker.
The 2nd Amendment might, or might not, mean Americans as a people have sufficient firepower to defend themselves against a government turned tyrannical. Hopefully it will never reach the point we find out.
But it is nonsense on stilts to pretend that an individual American family will be able to defend itself successfully against overbearing LEOs or military. If you initially repel an attack, which is arguably what happened at Ruby Ridge or Waco, the government doesn't crawl away and lick its wounds. It brings in as many reinforcements and as much heavy weaponry as is necessary to take you down.
Weapons in the home may be highly useful against criminal intruders. A firefight with LEO or military will not have a happy ending.
You can make a decent case that going down fighting makes it a good day to die, but don't deceive yourself that you won't be going down. Possibly you will spark a rebellion that will eventually win, but you and probably your family won't be there to see it.
Its pretty wild we’re openly talking about this now.
I quite agree.
But I think fixating on drones is the wrong issue. A drone is a vehicle. The same weaponry can be carried on a helo, a manned plane, a ground vehicle, or often even by a man on foot.
The circumstances under which it is proper to use that weaponry does not vary with the vehicle used to carry it.
I agree that drones pose a lot of privacy and civil rights issues, but this “drone-strike” issue isn’t one of them.
Wholeheartly agree. The real issue here is: Does the President of the US have the authority to order a drone strike or any other strike to kill an American on foreign or domestic soil without going through the courts.
A sniper kills one person usually. Drone strikes have generally killed more than one person. A drone strike uses explosives(Hellfire) to kill.
You need to look at real world examples in order to draw reasonable scenarios and conclusions.
After Kaddhafi gave the order to his army to fire on Libyans, 75% of the army deserted and returned to their provinces to protect their families. On their way home, they emptied out the armories.
What remained were officers in Kaddhafi’s elite guard and raw recruits with few weapons. They were completely incapable of carrying out any effective military operation. Many of the officers left the recruits to fend for themselves, and they headed for the Niger border, loaded with stolen loot. Kaddhafi had to order out his southern mercenaries in an effort to quell the Libyan revolt. When his mercenaries opened fire on students at a university, all hell broke loose.
The army deserters teamed with provincial militias and attacked the Kaddhafi dictatorship and his mercenaries. The mercenaries were executed and hanged from lampposts. Their towns were burned to the ground. The militias organized patrols to track down and capture Kaddhafi loyalists. The chief of the army was dragged into a courtyard and executed, as were other army officers loyal to Kaddhafi.
Khaddiafi himself was snared by a desert patrol and executed on the hood of an SUV with his gold-plated Browning. Here’s a picture of it:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/10/qaddafis-love-affair-golden-guns/43938/
They were out to dinner with the One last night. I think they called it a wintery get away. BO invited abobut 8 or 10 R senators to dinner last night while Rand Paul was filibustering by himself.
"Gee! It looks as though that total electric house had a gas leak."
Isn’t the real issue using military drones on American soil? It really bothers me to think there could be a drone above my property checking out my land and resources. The EPA was caught flying drones above farms in the midwest, spying on them to make sure they were complying with all the rules and regs being imposed.
True enough. But while we might eventually get some or even a lot of desertions from American military if ordered to attack American civilians, that is going to be little comfort to the first few people who fight back.
THEY will be dead, or possibly in custody.
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