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Rise of UKIP spooks Britain's Conservatives [Thatcher's Party Lost Its Way, Betrayed Public!]
yahoo ^ | 3/4/13 | Alice Ritchie

Posted on 03/04/2013 11:16:08 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Are members of the European Parliament directly elected? If so, why not vote UKIP in those elections to send a message to the Conservatives?


21 posted on 03/04/2013 1:32:20 PM PST by GrootheWanderer
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To: PGR88

Agree both are great speakers but Hannan is not UKIP. He is a member of the Conservative Party.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 1:37:02 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: SoFloFreeper

some great recent Nigel Farage interviews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2C1-ZD6EKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNf7ZRbktFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk4eD1i5fXk

I wish we could have some tea party leaders as eloquent and quick as Farage.


23 posted on 03/04/2013 1:41:28 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: GrootheWanderer

The European Parliament is elected by proportional representation, so candidates are not directly elected, parties are. In this case, UKIP has done very well and came second in terms of number of seats won in 2009.

However, thanks to the First Past the Post system in General Elections to Westminster, the candidate with the most votes in any given consituency wins, and votes for the losing candidates become irrelevant thereafter, so each candidate needs a concentration of support in their contested constituency, rather than broadly across the nation in order to win a seat.
For this reason, all a vote for UKIP would achieve in a general election would be to siphon off votes for the Tory candidate and make it more likely that a Labour or Lib-Dem candidate would win the seat. IMHO this is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. UKIP simply cannot get enough support in any particular constituency to win a seat, and so voting for them is futile and counter productive if your agenda is to elect a government that will on the whole, stand up more for Britain than the other two main parties...


24 posted on 03/04/2013 2:18:51 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: wideawake
Third parties can, rarely, be successful in a parliamentary system.
We do not have a parliamentary system.

The way parties change in the USA is: they lose multiple elections until a new faction within the party gets the reins.

No third party has ever become the dominant party in US history, due to the structure of our Congress.


In the UK Parliament the UKIP Party is actually a fourth party after Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats...

25 posted on 03/04/2013 2:35:23 PM PST by az_gila
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To: az_gila

Good point. See post 20 - I corrected myself.


26 posted on 03/04/2013 2:49:03 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Sorry, I wasn't “wideawake” and missed your correction...
27 posted on 03/04/2013 6:46:27 PM PST by az_gila
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