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Rise of UKIP spooks Britain's Conservatives [Thatcher's Party Lost Its Way, Betrayed Public!]
yahoo ^ | 3/4/13 | Alice Ritchie

Posted on 03/04/2013 11:16:08 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

Once a marginal group of anti-Europeans, the UK Independence Party (UKIP) is now a force to be reckoned with after its best-ever national election result spooked Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservatives.

UKIP took 28 percent of the vote in Thursday's by-election in the southern English seat of Eastleigh... pushing the Tories into a humiliating third place.

Although the anti-Brussels party has yet to win a seat in the British parliament, the result is its best in a string of good performances in mid-term votes in recent months.

UKIP leader Nigel Farage said it was part of a trend.

"What happened here in Eastleigh was not a freak result. Something is changing. People are sick and tired of having three social democrat parties that are frankly indistinguishable from each other," he said.

The reasons for UKIP's success in Eastleigh are manifold, and not limited to the anti-European cause around which it was created. Immigration, the economy and general dissatisfaction with the government all played a part.

But the result has hit the Tories hard...because it feeds into growing fears that UKIP is eating away at its support.

The Tories have not won a parliamentary majority since 1992 and many in the party fear UKIP is syphoning off the anti-European, anti-immigration vote that they will need to ditch their Lib Dem coalition partners and win outright in 2015's general election.

Cameron's promise in January to renegotiate Britain's membership of the European Union and put it to a referendum by 2017 was widely seen as an attempt to...fend off the threat from UKIP.

After the result in Eastleigh, outraged senior Tories lined up to warn Cameron -- who once described UKIP as full of "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" -- that they must reach out to traditional voters.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: conservatism; davidcameron; gope; homosexualagenda; lavendermafia; tories; ukip
Could history repeat itself in America? Republican party "leaders", you need to realize: some of us want to reform the party from the inside....but the LONGER you resist the grassroots, the more you risk becoming a non-entity.
1 posted on 03/04/2013 11:16:16 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

David Cameron is more interested in forcing Britons to celebrate sodomy than he is in making the economy work.

Margaret Thatcher, if she were still out in the public, would be ashamed of her party.


2 posted on 03/04/2013 11:23:01 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
Spooks?


3 posted on 03/04/2013 11:27:37 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SoFloFreeper
Today's Tories = GOPe
4 posted on 03/04/2013 11:30:22 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

UKIP’s main faces, Farage and Hannan, are excellent speakers and debaters. They have a grasp of all issues. I wish they could run for office here.


5 posted on 03/04/2013 11:30:40 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SoFloFreeper

HOORAY Nigel and UKIP!

http://www.ukip.org


6 posted on 03/04/2013 11:32:46 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGR88

Daniel Hannan is still a member of the Conservative Party. He is one of those trying to turn the Tories back to the right. Frankly, this is the best strategy IMHO, because all voting UKIP does is split the vote and allow the likes of Labour and the Liberal Democrats to win seats and help to accelerate Britain’s decline.
I’d never vote UKIP for a general election, maybe for a byelection like this though to give the Tories a slap in the face to try and bring them to their senses..


7 posted on 03/04/2013 11:37:08 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: SoFloFreeper
Third parties can, rarely, be successful in a parliamentary system.

We do not have a parliamentary system.

The way parties change in the USA is: they lose multiple elections until a new faction within the party gets the reins.

No third party has ever become the dominant party in US history, due to the structure of our Congress.

8 posted on 03/04/2013 11:43:56 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SoFloFreeper
"What happened here in Eastleigh was not a freak result. Something is changing. People are sick and tired of having three social democrat parties that are frankly indistinguishable from each other," he said.

Sounds a bit familiar.

9 posted on 03/04/2013 11:44:47 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: wideawake

Oh, really? So what happened to the Whigs?


10 posted on 03/04/2013 11:54:17 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Little Ray; wideawake; GeronL

11 posted on 03/04/2013 11:58:32 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Little Ray
So what happened to the Whigs?

They ceased to exist.

12 posted on 03/04/2013 12:05:26 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

My ex-oldlady sold her whig.


13 posted on 03/04/2013 12:06:51 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: KC_Lion
Why did the Whig Party evaporate?

Why did the GOP come into existence?

14 posted on 03/04/2013 12:07:34 PM PST by wideawake
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To: KC_Lion

Time to push the GOP in and cover the grave.


15 posted on 03/04/2013 12:11:05 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: wideawake
The Whig Party died because it failed to stand up to the Democrats on the Issue of Slavery.

They wanted to be the Get Along Gang.

The Republicans came in and said "NO!" To the Kansas-Nebraska Act or whatever Trick the Dem's were using to expand Slavery to the West.

Because the Whigs wheeled and leaded to limited the growth of governm-, I mean slavery only made things worse, finally when it became Clear that the New Republican Party didn't need any of Slave states to win the Presidential Election of 1860, the south said "To Hell with this" and the rest is history.


16 posted on 03/04/2013 12:13:58 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion
The Whig Party died because the issue of slavery divided the party down regional lines to the point where it could no longer field a coherent list of candidates.

So it splintered into anti-Democrats, Free Soilers and Know-Nothings.

Only after the Whigs collapsed did the Republican Party become a national force.

The GOP did not begin as an organized, coherent faction of the Whigs who took the Whig Party over and then transformed it from within.

Nor did the GOP begin as a breakaway faction from the Whigs that contested elections as a third party against the Democrats and Whigs.

The GOP was a response to the chaos that ensued when America had only one organized national party left - the pro-slavery Democrats.

The GOP was a response to a power vacuum.

17 posted on 03/04/2013 12:24:16 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
The GOP was a response to a power vacuum.

Right, that is what I am saying here, the GOP is dying and soon we will have the Party of Government left.

The Opposition to expanded Government power won't have a party because the GOP will have gone the way of the Whigs, so those Republicans who genuinely are against all of this and us Independents, Tea Pariters and Libertarians will form a new one.

Like the Original GOP or UKIP.


18 posted on 03/04/2013 12:35:24 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Rise of UKIP spooks Britain's Conservatives [Thatcher's Party Lost Its Way, Betrayed Public!]

Gee, sounds an awful lot like a Party in this country.

19 posted on 03/04/2013 12:36:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: KC_Lion
While I think a scenario in which the GOP goes from 47% of the vote to 0% of the vote in four years is unlikely, it is more plausible than the UKIP scenario.

Even the UKIP scenario is currently a pipe dream.

The UKIP has not replaced the Conservatives, it is sort of competing with them a little bit.

The UKIP's votes went from 600K to 900K in the last two elections.

The thing is, the Liberals are the third party and UKIP is the fourth.

20 posted on 03/04/2013 1:27:33 PM PST by wideawake
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Are members of the European Parliament directly elected? If so, why not vote UKIP in those elections to send a message to the Conservatives?


21 posted on 03/04/2013 1:32:20 PM PST by GrootheWanderer
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To: PGR88

Agree both are great speakers but Hannan is not UKIP. He is a member of the Conservative Party.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 1:37:02 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: SoFloFreeper

some great recent Nigel Farage interviews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2C1-ZD6EKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNf7ZRbktFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk4eD1i5fXk

I wish we could have some tea party leaders as eloquent and quick as Farage.


23 posted on 03/04/2013 1:41:28 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: GrootheWanderer

The European Parliament is elected by proportional representation, so candidates are not directly elected, parties are. In this case, UKIP has done very well and came second in terms of number of seats won in 2009.

However, thanks to the First Past the Post system in General Elections to Westminster, the candidate with the most votes in any given consituency wins, and votes for the losing candidates become irrelevant thereafter, so each candidate needs a concentration of support in their contested constituency, rather than broadly across the nation in order to win a seat.
For this reason, all a vote for UKIP would achieve in a general election would be to siphon off votes for the Tory candidate and make it more likely that a Labour or Lib-Dem candidate would win the seat. IMHO this is like cutting your nose off to spite your face. UKIP simply cannot get enough support in any particular constituency to win a seat, and so voting for them is futile and counter productive if your agenda is to elect a government that will on the whole, stand up more for Britain than the other two main parties...


24 posted on 03/04/2013 2:18:51 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: wideawake
Third parties can, rarely, be successful in a parliamentary system.
We do not have a parliamentary system.

The way parties change in the USA is: they lose multiple elections until a new faction within the party gets the reins.

No third party has ever become the dominant party in US history, due to the structure of our Congress.


In the UK Parliament the UKIP Party is actually a fourth party after Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats...

25 posted on 03/04/2013 2:35:23 PM PST by az_gila
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To: az_gila

Good point. See post 20 - I corrected myself.


26 posted on 03/04/2013 2:49:03 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Sorry, I wasn't “wideawake” and missed your correction...
27 posted on 03/04/2013 6:46:27 PM PST by az_gila
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