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DHS built domestic surveillance tech into Predator drones
CNET ^ | March 2, 2013 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 03/02/2013 6:09:55 PM PST by Vince Ferrer

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To: rarestia; Vince Ferrer
One problem with your line of thinking, James: these are not autonomous flight platforms. They require a joystick jockey to keep them going. All it takes is some good intel on where in the wilderness the flight radio shack is located, some ingenuity, a pack of pissed off patriots, and you can take over those drones for your own purposes or at least make the control of those devices quite perilous for those who wish to do the job.

Not fully autonomous for now.

They are indeed getting more and more autonomous. They don't need to be fully autonomous, either - just self-contained enough to be able to receive broad mission objectives via satellite. The uplink centres to those satellites could be (or already is) behind heavily reinforced government bunkers - the kind that three-shot "assault" rifle-armed citizenry would be machine-gunned to pulp if they attempt to penetrate.

Besides, you are not going to be able to scramble highly-encrypted digital signals with anything bought off Radio Shack.

Think about it: Afghanistan's people are armed to the gills with fully automatic machine guns AND anti-aircraft weaponry. The drones fly in and out with little concern over being shot down. Granted, the comparison may not be fully apples-to-apples, but you have to account for the fact that they have a more deadlier collection of weapons at the hands of their civilian population compared to what the American "citizen" is allowed by the government to possess.

41 posted on 03/03/2013 7:16:33 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: dfwgator

I was thinking of the chorus to Eye in The Sky from Alan Parsons:

I am the eye in the sky
Looking at you
I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules
Dealing with fools
I can cheat you blind
And I don’t need to see any more
To know that
I can read your mind, I can read your mind


42 posted on 03/03/2013 8:41:29 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: DarkWaters; Mouton
They did not live in a vacuum nor do most guerrilla type movements.

Look at what ONE man did to the LAPD and SBPD just by releasing a manifesto.

Mulitply that by a couple of million.....just sayin.

43 posted on 03/03/2013 8:48:38 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Paladin2

People have told me the GPS in your phone can have its own power source, and requires very little power itself...


44 posted on 03/03/2013 9:10:38 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: null and void; Vince Ferrer
They want you to think that drones look like aircraft but have developed drones that appear as insects and even hawks soaring on thermals so as to circle your home.

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45 posted on 03/03/2013 9:49:09 AM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Paladin2; Chode
How do they track cell phones with the battery removed?

My understanding (I DO NOT own a cell phone) is that removing the battery won't do it. The SIM (subscriber identity module) card, where all your info is stored, is powered by an internal, non-removable battery.

You must remove both the battery AND the SIM card to be untrackable.

Those with more/other knowledge please respond.

46 posted on 03/03/2013 11:41:51 AM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: upchuck
not as far as my electrical knowledge goes

the phone is traceable if they know the number, they can poll the phone then triangulate with cell towers so long as the battery is in

the SIM doesn't communicate with the tower

47 posted on 03/03/2013 12:20:56 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: James C. Bennett
Think about it: Afghanistan's people are armed to the gills with fully automatic machine guns AND anti-aircraft weaponry. The drones fly in and out with little concern over being shot down. Granted, the comparison may not be fully apples-to-apples, but you have to account for the fact that they have a more deadlier collection of weapons at the hands of their civilian population compared to what the American "citizen" is allowed by the government to possess.

The Afghans also have an advantage that is impossible in America: A tribal command structure with a degree of family loyalty that is impenetrable.

"Honor your father and mother, THAT YOUR DAYS WILL BE LONG IN THE LAND THAT THE LORD THY G-D GIVETH THEE."

People go to church, blather the words, and have no idea what they mean.

48 posted on 03/03/2013 12:28:53 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Lady Jag
They want you to think that drones look like aircraft but have developed drones that appear as insects and even hawks soaring on thermals so as to circle your home.

Some engineers will do anything for anybody, just as long as it's a cool problem to solve.

49 posted on 03/03/2013 12:32:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Money is the ticket and there is big money all over this planet that needs more play time and toys like governments and media.
50 posted on 03/03/2013 1:13:07 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Candor7

FAA filots, hum????? On the ground, hum??? I wonder if, nah, that would be too easy....


51 posted on 03/03/2013 3:15:45 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

He was also someone who was on the inside so he could do a lot more damage than someone who wasn’t. He was also well trained. As for his manifesto, at this point its a dime a dozen out there on the web not to mention it a rehash of other works that have polluted our culture (see Marx and successors). Non of this is a substitute for real organization which the left has over us in spades. Now if things go completely to pot, then perhaps we will see the multiple individual snapping event at which point the entire system could be overwhelmed, overrun, and possible destroyed. If it does I think the real reasons will come more from the lack of basic goods being available and services rather than a manifesto at this point. Too many have their creature comforts provided to them on a silver platter and their heads are firmly planted where the sun doesn’t shine.


52 posted on 03/03/2013 5:00:37 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Thanks for posting.


53 posted on 03/03/2013 7:23:44 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: TheBigJ

Tanjuberrmudge! Great links!


54 posted on 03/04/2013 5:20:40 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: upchuck

SIM cards require no battery. Taking out the battery is enough to kill any tracking.


55 posted on 03/04/2013 8:17:03 AM PST by USAF80
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To: James C. Bennett

“allowed civilian citizens to arm themselves with RPGs, anti-aircraft weaponry,....”

That’s what I’ve been saying all along.
Check tagline. The right to bare arms is meant to protect
our nation from enemies foreign or DOMESTIC.


56 posted on 03/04/2013 10:57:18 AM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yep, they sure do. And We the People do what we have to do.


57 posted on 03/04/2013 11:45:49 AM PST by itssme
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To: Mouton

the end game of all this is to have every inhabitant of the new world order slave plantation fitted with an electronic monitoring collar around the neck, with GPS and ground transponders, each fitted with remote control lethal injection or behavior modification tazer.....we once laughed at Dick Tracy wristwatches and so many other “that will never happen” things that are now commonplace


58 posted on 03/04/2013 2:05:17 PM PST by KTM rider ( paychecks have been replaced by weekly allowances)
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To: Paladin2
How do they track cell phones with the battery removed?

Who owns a phone that has a removable battery?

59 posted on 03/04/2013 2:08:30 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: USNBandit
One of the things that many here won't believe is that these aircraft still have to be operated within the laws of this country,

Because many here have watched as these scofflaws ignore the Constitution and issue executive orders to implement new laws through directives, and ignore the laws that inconvenience them.

60 posted on 03/04/2013 2:14:36 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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