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Come to Florida to stay, Minnesota snowbirds
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 2/28/13 | Trey Radel

Posted on 03/01/2013 5:04:09 AM PST by rhema

Editor's note: Reacting to a proposed tax affecting Minnesota "snowbirds," U.S. Rep. Trey Radel, a Fort Myers, Fla., Republican, sent this letter to Gov. Mark Dayton. It was published recently in the Naples Daily News.

Dear Gov. Mark Dayton,

I'm writing today to thank you. As a Floridian, I am overjoyed to hear about your plan to raise taxes on Minnesotans, most especially the so-called "snowbirds."

Your proposal gives us a chance to shine here in the Sunshine State. We love to share southwest Florida with snowbirds from all over the country. We are proud to host or be home to entrepreneurs who invest in our economy and philanthropists who invest in our community.

It's my sincere hope your plan has just driven many Minnesotans to become year-round residents of our great state, which offers the following: No income tax; great public, charter and private schools; and excellent opportunities and incentives for investment, for both big and small business.

You make America great, governor. You show that in this blessed country of ours, each and every state is its own experiment in economic freedom and government overreach. You are illustrating why many of the states throughout our republic, which are keeping taxes low and spending money efficiently, have attracted manufacturing, financial institutions, as well other large and small business owners.

From what I understand, your plan will tax the income of individuals who spend at least 60 days in Minnesota, even if they are full-time residents of another state, like Florida. According to the state Revenue Department, this tax is expected to raise $30 million -- a drop in the bucket compared with the $37.9 billion of your proposed budget.

If Minnesotans want to get a heavy-handed, overtaxing government out of their pocket, I invite them to pack their bags and relocate right here where white sand beaches, cool blue water and low taxes await.

While here, I'd like to make a few other suggestions of what people can do: catch a Minnesota Twins or Boston Red Sox spring training game in Fort Myers; take a walk on Sanibel beach; buy a large and extremely affordable home in Cape Coral; enjoy the beaches, nightlife and shopping in Naples; head to Marco Island, with beautiful beaches (did I mention those?) and quick access to one of the world's most pristine and fascinating environments, the Everglades.

Again, governor, I thank you for your policy. It draws the contrast of what is happening not only in United States today, but the world. Your message makes the message of patriotic, liberty loving Americans shine: All we ask is for local, state and federal governments to spend our money efficiently and wisely. We want economic taxing decisions to be made based on what is fair and reasonable, not based on anger or emotion.

Economic freedom coupled with a limited, efficient government has made this country strong for generations and provided more opportunity than any place on Earth for more than 200 years. In Florida, we hope to carry on that tradition, and in southwest Florida, we look forward to seeing many more Minnesotans in the near future.

Sincerely,

Rep. Trey Radel


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; US: Florida; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: dayton; democrat; dfl; migration; minnesota; mn

1 posted on 03/01/2013 5:04:22 AM PST by rhema
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To: MplsSteve

Congenital DFL class envy gets a proper smackdown.


2 posted on 03/01/2013 5:06:57 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Love it


3 posted on 03/01/2013 5:09:24 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rhema
Well I'm nearing the age where the Sunshine and Palm trees of Florida are starting to look better than 2ft of snow. Nice to know I would be welcome there.
4 posted on 03/01/2013 5:12:45 AM PST by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: rhema

Would it be appropriate to mention the story of a sinkhole opening up in a guys bedroom? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/01/florida-man-swallowed-by-massive-sinkhole-in-bedroom/?intcmp=trending

Come to Florida and the ground will open up beneath you.


5 posted on 03/01/2013 5:12:58 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rhema

Dayton: come for the weather, stay for the taxes


6 posted on 03/01/2013 5:13:26 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: rhema

My neighbor called me a few weeks ago about this subject. He recently lost his wife and they have a place near Tampa and also a summer condo on the north shore of Lake Superior. He is a retired chiropractor. He was very angry with the DFL and Gov. Dayton.

Well, all of us conservatives and GOPers in MN think he/they are nuts too. They seem hell bent on destroying our economies, and it does indeed seem that it is all a bit of out-of-control class envy.

The people of Minnesota are very hard-working, northern European types. Unfortunately many are infected with a Scandinavian attitude of collectivism.

I hope this letter gets reprinted all over Minnesota so everyone can see it.


7 posted on 03/01/2013 5:15:18 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: rhema

Democrats forget that: (a) business people are smarter than politicians, and, (b) wealthy people seek to protect their money just like everyone else. Minnesota is hugely in debt. Wisconsin, thanks to shared sacrifice and a governor who doesn’t kiss the rear-end of unions, has a surplus.


8 posted on 03/01/2013 5:15:42 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: rhema

Too bad the Yankees bring their socialist voting habits with them when they move south. Like locusts they leave one area barren only to migrate and infest/defoliate another.


9 posted on 03/01/2013 5:23:16 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Gumdrop

A summer condo on the north shore could be used two months of the year.


10 posted on 03/01/2013 5:33:35 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: central_va

As a native Tampanian, I know this all too well. We tend to get the Mid-western, ex-union retires on the west coast (Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin). The east coast gets the Northeasterners (New York, New Joisey, Mass-holes).

That’s why Florida went for Bammy in 2012.


11 posted on 03/01/2013 5:41:51 AM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: rhema

Minnesota may tax you, but it won’t swallow you:
TAMPA AREA MAN SWALLOWED BY SINKHOLE
BRANDON, Fla. (AP) — A man was missing early Friday after a large sinkhole opened under the bedroom of a house near Tampa and his brother says the man screamed for help before he disappeared.
“The entire house is on the sinkhole”


12 posted on 03/01/2013 5:45:00 AM PST by sockhead
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To: Gumdrop

As bad as Dayton is, and I realize he’s really bad, it’s hard for me to imagine he’s any worse than the mighty Quinn we’re stuck with in the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois.


13 posted on 03/01/2013 5:46:35 AM PST by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment!)
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To: driftdiver
Would it be appropriate to mention the story of a sinkhole opening up in a guys bedroom?

That's just Florida spreading her proverbial legs for the guy.

14 posted on 03/01/2013 5:46:35 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: rhema

But are these “snowbirds” Rats themselves? If so having them settle in Florida will only make matters worse.It would be like a cancerous tumor metastasizing.


15 posted on 03/01/2013 5:54:32 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: sockhead

Sounds like a 1950s horror movie.


16 posted on 03/01/2013 6:00:00 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Truth/Lies; Liberty/Tyranny--WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??)
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To: rhema

I made the mistake of moving to Broward county. We will be looking to W. Florida when we return to Florida.

Advice for all is to ignore S Florida.


17 posted on 03/01/2013 6:07:26 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: sockhead
You think only FL has sinkholes?

Fair or not, there is no disputing Ackerman's passion for discovering and preserving caves. Since the early 1990s, Ackerman, 51, has been buying up property in Fillmore County, where one small town, Fountain, Minnesota, bills itself as the "sinkhole capital of the world."

sinkholes in minnesota
18 posted on 03/01/2013 6:20:19 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: driftdiver
Many more people are killed, more homes destroyed, when roofs collapse because of snow accumulation...Also, since Columbus discovered America, not ONE Floridian has died of a heart attack while shoveling snow...

So there...

19 posted on 03/01/2013 6:22:54 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: ken5050

The earth will open up and swallow you alive, think about it...

This happened within a few miles of where I sit at this moment.


20 posted on 03/01/2013 6:31:33 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cheerio

Underneath Florida is pretty much nothing but soft limestone. I’ve been diving in several of the natural springs here in Florida. It looks like swiss cheese and the rock crumbles in your hand. Of course what I was diving in was basically a giant sinkhole which went down about 120 feet beneath the surface.

What I couldn’t figure out is how the deer got down there to leave footprints in the rock.


21 posted on 03/01/2013 6:41:12 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rrrod

If you want a clean, well governed and generally conservative town, consider Naples.


22 posted on 03/01/2013 6:45:49 AM PST by Boomer One
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To: central_va

Bingo!


23 posted on 03/01/2013 6:46:47 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama is the "Disco Duck" president. A no-substance novelty that reached number one.)
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To: sockhead
TAMPA AREA MAN SWALLOWED BY SINKHOLE BRANDON, Fla.

Actually in Seffner, near MLK Blvd.

24 posted on 03/01/2013 6:50:20 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Boomer One

Naples is exactly where we will be looking. I’ll keep the place in Broward as a rental.
We spend most of the year in S. America so anyplace we buy will be for part time living.
Thanks.


25 posted on 03/01/2013 6:53:26 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rhema

Yeah, right, bring Minnesotans to Florida en masse. They’ll join the northeast liberal snowbirds importing their misguided voting habits and ruin that state as they’ve ruined their own!


26 posted on 03/01/2013 7:18:25 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: rhema
Rep. Trey Radel, you should have said, "No LIBERALS or RINOs need apply!!"

We don't need more of those people in Florida...

27 posted on 03/01/2013 7:24:50 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: representativerepublic

Generally speaking, midwestern yankees move to Texas and Northeastern yankees move to Florida. There is a major difference between the two. Those from Iowa and downstate Illinois can be very likable. OTOH, stay away from the Polish Americans from Chicago.


28 posted on 03/01/2013 7:29:51 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: JimRed

Card-check them ba$tard$ at the border!


29 posted on 03/01/2013 7:32:06 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: rhema

Here in MN. Gov. Dayton and the local rats are going tax crazy.
Just the other day a bill was introduced to raise nearly all liquor taxes 300%.
Then this morning There was a mention that there could be a new tax on sweets to help pay for the new Vikings stadium.
There has also been talk about an increase in tobacco taxes.

It never ceases to amaze me how they think we are just made of money.


30 posted on 03/01/2013 7:37:18 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: McGruff

gotta love my sunshine state


31 posted on 03/01/2013 7:50:21 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: rrrod

sarasota is nice too!!!


32 posted on 03/01/2013 7:52:03 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: rrrod

You made a wise choice. There are lots of Conservatives in NW Florida.


33 posted on 03/01/2013 8:13:14 AM PST by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: rhema

Minnesota under Dayton will soon be joining California and New York as the highest taxed states in the country and will predictably see an exodus of businesses and higher income citizens to other states. Average Minnesotans will also be making buying trips to neighboring lower tax states for everything from liquor to medical care. I expect Sioux Falls, SD, a scant 10 miles from the Minnesota border, will see a boom as Minnesotans flock to our malls and businesses rather than go to Minneapolis.


34 posted on 03/01/2013 8:13:14 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ; McGruff; MplsSteve; TurboZamboni; Gumdrop; From The Deer Stand; Eric in the Ozarks
Gov. Stick It To The Rich isn't content to hector only the snowbirds.

Minnesota risks isolation as tax capital of the Midwest

. . . A 2011 Ernst & Young report found that 95 percent of Minnesota employers are organized as pass-through companies, usually Sub-S corporations, LLCs, partnerships or sole proprietorships, and other small operations that pay their taxes as individual filers. The same study found that 56 percent of all employees in the state work for those small businesses. The governor has suggested that only the elite would pay more under his plan. But that isn't true. His plan would raise taxes on likely thousands of the most successful small employers who provide a lot of jobs, and the result will be fewer jobs and less investment in Minnesota.

Millions of Americans are evacuating high-tax states in favor of places that seem to want them more. According to the Tax Foundation, for example, which analyzes data from the IRS and the Census, Minnesota suffered a net loss of 36,000 income tax filers between 2000 and 2010. Those income taxpayers took with them $3.5 billion in adjusted gross income, money that is now circulating in other states.

The biggest winner has been Florida, which doesn't tax income. In the last decade, according to the foundation, Minnesota's net loss of income taxpayers to the Sunshine State was more than 9,000. Our neighbors left with $1.6 billion in adjusted gross income that they're now spending, saving and investing in Florida. Does the governor believe that the outbound migration won't accelerate under his plan, which also includes the punitive snowbird penalty? On what basis does he believe that?

35 posted on 03/01/2013 8:24:09 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: The Great RJ
Minnesota under Dayton will soon be joining California and New York as the highest taxed states in the country and will predictably see an exodus of businesses and higher income citizens to other states.

There has been an exodus already out of MN, but the politicians are denying and outright lying about it. They continue to say that the state of MN has not lost anyone due to the economy or taxes.

I laugh at that and can prove they are liars. Hubby & I left a little over a year ago as we saw the handwriting on the wall

Moved to the great state of Wyoming and while I will say Minnesota has great beauty, so does Wyoming.

We are classified as one of those "higher income" citizens, plus we own a small business, but I know they refuse to acknowledge that we left because of the oppressive taxes.

We never minded paying our "fair share", but the welfare zombies are taking over the state -- fair share now means, give us 99% of what you have and we will let you keep the 1% (ok, slight exaggeration, but then again, maybe not in a year or so).

36 posted on 03/01/2013 8:29:19 AM PST by coder2
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To: coder2

Check out post 35. You’re part of those documented statistics.


37 posted on 03/01/2013 8:46:49 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Generally speaking, midwestern yankees move to Texas and Northeastern yankees move to Florida.

A lot of those Midwesterners and a whole lot of Canadians come here to Arizona, instead. What's great is that liberal Californians and New Yorkers don't even seem to know Arizona exists, other than lightly-read stories in the New York Times about Joe Arpaio Tasering hordes of illegals before breakfast every day. :)

38 posted on 03/01/2013 8:52:08 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: rhema
Check out post 35. You’re part of those documented statistics.

Yes, I read it --- thanks for sharing.

We moved in 2011, so we just missed that set of statistics (thru 2010). I would be eager to read what happened in 2011, 2012 and especially 2013 now that gov chicken-SH** and his over-inflated ego wants to sent everyone else packing.

I remember shortly after we moved out, the good (ha) gov was saying no one was leaving because of the economy or taxes. I'm sure he will never admit that he put a foot in our backs and kicked us out.

39 posted on 03/01/2013 8:53:34 AM PST by coder2
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40 posted on 03/08/2013 8:40:01 AM PST by MplsSteve (General Mills is pro-gay marriage! Boycott their products!)
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To: rhema

Careful what you ask for FL. The snowbird liberals are already taking over your state. MN has a huge supply of them and I’ll be happy to help them pack.


41 posted on 03/09/2013 3:21:20 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

I hope they do pass all their stupid taxes. The ones they are pushing the hardest will affect the entitlement class the hardest.

Sure, we will feel it to, but those on a fixed income will be hit hardest. ya know. the ones the rats always claim to be standing up for.


42 posted on 03/09/2013 3:27:59 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: The Great RJ

Hudson, La Crosse and Superior WI as well.

Fargo ND as well I’d bet.


43 posted on 03/09/2013 3:30:12 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

I’d hazard a guess that snowbirds who (a) are fed up with the Land of 10,000 Taxes and (b) have the money to pack up and leave stand a decent chance of being conservatives.


44 posted on 03/09/2013 3:33:51 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Nope. most of the rich up here are liberals.


45 posted on 03/10/2013 7:39:59 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: rhema

Just wait until Crist becomes Governor again.....they may decide to move back.


46 posted on 03/10/2013 7:42:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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