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John Kerry Sails into a New Falklands Conflict in London
Time ^ | Feb 25, 2013 | Catherine Mayer

Posted on 02/27/2013 6:13:04 AM PST by Pan_Yan

The FCO organizes press conferences like weddings, visitors on one side, hosts on the other, and inevitably the first question that came whistling from the British side of the aisle was about the Falklands’ planned March 10 to 11 referendum. Islanders will be asked, “Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom?” That they will answer with a resounding “Yes!” is not in doubt. That’s the sort of enthusiasm Brits wanted from Kerry too. Instead they got this:

Let me be very clear about our position with respect to the Falklands, which I believe is clear. First of all, I’m not going to comment, nor is the President, on a referendum that has yet to take place, hasn’t taken place. Our position on the Falklands has not changed. The United States recognizes de facto U.K. administration of the islands but takes no position on the question of parties’ sovereignty claims thereto. We support co-operation between U.K. and Argentina on practical matters.


(Excerpt) Read more at world.time.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoforeignpolicy; bhouk; falklands; kerry; sos; soskerry; uk
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I only put a short excerpt because the author is long winded and Kerry's quote is all you really need to see.
1 posted on 02/27/2013 6:13:11 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

This is typical of the idiocy that comes from this Administration. Nobody in the Falklands wants to be annexed by Argentina. They’re all Brits. Obama is just miffed at the evil European imperialists. He probably doesn’t appreciate that the people running Argentina are the descendants of European imperialists.


2 posted on 02/27/2013 6:16:46 AM PST by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Pan_Yan

kerry’s big concern is to not insult the hispanics


3 posted on 02/27/2013 6:19:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pan_Yan

It’s clearly clear.


4 posted on 02/27/2013 6:19:50 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Pan_Yan

Further evidence, if any was really needed, that our SoS JFK does not have an eff’n clue.


5 posted on 02/27/2013 6:20:12 AM PST by bjc
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To: popdonnelly

hey, i thought they were Italian immigrants!


6 posted on 02/27/2013 6:20:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pan_Yan

Let me be very clear that I refuse to give a clear answer.


7 posted on 02/27/2013 6:21:36 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Pan_Yan

“Let me be very clear about our position with respect to the Falklands, which I believe is clear.”

“I was for the Falklands before I was against them”.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 6:21:40 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Pan_Yan
"Let me be very clear"...

translation: When I'm through speaking you'll just scratch your heads and won't have any real clue about what I've just said as I will bob, weave and obfuscate to hide my real intentions and purposes. I trust that both sides will come away thinking I'm on their side but I'm really on neither. Is that clear?

9 posted on 02/27/2013 6:25:23 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Good Lord, Lurch (aka Jingis Kan’t) is making Hillary look like George Marshall by comparison.


10 posted on 02/27/2013 6:28:17 AM PST by Freedumb
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To: Pan_Yan

Kery served in Vietnam...and should go back and live there...on his wifey’s ketchup cash.


11 posted on 02/27/2013 6:30:34 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Freedumb

JF’nK:

“In this global world...”


12 posted on 02/27/2013 6:31:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Redundant - see ‘Redundant’.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 6:32:00 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: popdonnelly

“This is typical of the idiocy that comes from this Administration. Nobody in the Falklands wants to be annexed by Argentina. They’re all Brits. Obama is just miffed at the evil European imperialists. He probably doesn’t appreciate that the people running Argentina are the descendants of European imperialists.”

I believe that the new card to turn up in this game is “oil”. Seems that oil has been discovered within the territorial waters of the Falklands in the past few years. Consequently, Argentina has renewed its interest in “liberating” the Falklands. One positive thing in favor of the Brits should this turn into a shooting war agaIn is I believe the UK now as two jump jet carriers. And they should be better prepared to fend of exercet missiles and such. If the Brits should be successful in putting boots on the ground and are able to defend them from any Argentina air strikes the outcome will be the same as the last go around. Brits will route them.


14 posted on 02/27/2013 6:35:59 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: popdonnelly

I think that’s actually a good statement.

Translated: Don’t expect the USA to come in to defend UK territory when you whittle your military force down to nothing.

The USA doesn’t give a rats ass either way.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 6:36:59 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Pan_Yan

Dear GB, be afraid, be very afraid.

You had probably thought that there was no human being in the multiverse less capable of the position than the Hillabeast grifter wife.

You were wrong. Kerry is the baseline from which intelligence is measured. Oh, and he served in Viet Nam (for about a minute or so until a mosquito bit his sorry-*ssed Obamaend).


16 posted on 02/27/2013 6:37:33 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Pan_Yan

I don’t think Kerry said anything out of character with the traditional US stance on the subject. During the Reagan administration, our official position was that we had no position. Did not stop us from providing all kinds of material, logistical and intelligence help to the Brits. Ultimately, it’s deeds, not words, that matter. Unless Latin America organizes a coalition to invade the Falklands, I don’t think the Argies will be forcing Obama’s hand in terms of deciding whether to help the UK repel an invasion any time soon, such is the decrepit state of Argentina’s armed forces.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 6:45:21 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: JPG
I trust that both sides will come away thinking I'm on their side but I'm really on neither. Is that clear?

I'm sure the folks in the UK are saying "What does he mean 'De-facto'?" and in Argentina they are saying "Kerry says their claim is 'De-facto' only, now we can go get it".

Proverbs 18:7 "The mouths of fools are their ruin; they trap themselves with their lips." ISV

18 posted on 02/27/2013 6:45:50 AM PST by sr4402
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To: delapaz
"The USA doesn’t give a rats ass either way."

Oh, I suspect he does. He has a natural affinity for autocrats and dictators. He also hates the anglosphere colonial oppressors (in his own mind, at least) and he no doubt admires kirchner's ability to seize the private wealth and retirement accounts of Argentinian citizens and destroy her own country.

19 posted on 02/27/2013 6:51:11 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

I think Reagan backed off because of the Monroe Doctrine.


20 posted on 02/27/2013 6:55:38 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Truth29

I think Reagan backed off because of the Monroe Doctrine.


21 posted on 02/27/2013 6:55:54 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Pan_Yan
I'm sure the Brits have Prince Harry at the ready, already.

Leni

22 posted on 02/27/2013 7:02:09 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: snoringbear

Camoron decommisioned the harriers back in 2010 so the RN currently has no fixed wing aircraft for its carriers. The new full-sized carriers currently being built will not be ready until the end of the decade at the earliest.


23 posted on 02/27/2013 7:07:32 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: snoringbear

Camoron decommisioned the harriers back in 2010 so the RN currently has no fixed wing aircraft for its carriers. The new full-sized carriers currently being built will not be ready until the end of the decade at the earliest.


24 posted on 02/27/2013 7:07:49 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: MinuteGal
Two interesting developments occurred prior to the current Falklands impasse.

The first of course is that Madam Kirchner needs to distract her people from the disaster that is the Argentine economy.

The second is that the UK parked all of their Harriers and their albeit small carriers. They would be hard pressed to project air power to support a military defense of the Falklands.

25 posted on 02/27/2013 7:12:38 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
"They would be hard pressed to project air power to support a military defense of the Falklands.

I think they (the Brits) have an air base on the Falklands, I also think they have ground troops there as well.

26 posted on 02/27/2013 7:19:59 AM PST by jpsb
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To: USNBandit

Defence of the Falklands is quite strong. 4 Eurofighters, 1,000 troops and a destroyer/frigate is always in the area, plus there is the capacity to reinforce rapidly by air in less than 24 hours.
The defence has to be strong, because, as you already suggest, there isn’t much scope for getting them back if the Argies did somehow overcome the Island’s defences with their archaic, obsolescent and poorly-trained military...


27 posted on 02/27/2013 7:22:24 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Pan_Yan
he got lost in London Zoo, recounted Kerry, a touch misty-eyed. He wanted to thank the person who found him.

I'd rather kick his ass for not throwing Kerry into the lion compound.....

28 posted on 02/27/2013 7:24:32 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (God bless you Tommy and thank you for your service: http://swiftboats.org/tribute/tribute.html)
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To: Pan_Yan

This guy has really found a home in the Obama administration; waffling non-answer on a key question of highest import to our closest ally.

There is, quite literally, NOTHING that Obama and his idiot minions cannot f*ck up - and do.

It’ll be a miracle if the United States survives another four years of this ignorant jack*ss.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 7:26:39 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Pan_Yan

SSBN


30 posted on 02/27/2013 7:28:11 AM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: Bogey78O
Clearly he is in his right to demonstrate he can act stupid in a long winded way.
31 posted on 02/27/2013 7:37:02 AM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: Freedumb

Absolutely. Hill must be pinching herself daily that this doofus is trying to fill her heels now at state.


32 posted on 02/27/2013 7:37:34 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Pan_Yan

Sounds like John F.in Kerry who served in Viet Nam has been into Teresa’s gin soaked raisins.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 7:46:55 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: jttpwalsh
SSBN

Chicken of the sea. We hide with pride. What about them?

34 posted on 02/27/2013 7:52:01 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
Let me be very clear about our position with respect to the Falklands, which I believe is clear. First of all, I’m not going to comment, nor is the President, on a referendum that has yet to take place, hasn’t taken place. Our position on the Falklands has not changed. The United States recognizes de facto U.K. administration of the islands but takes no position on the question of parties’ sovereignty claims thereto. We support co-operation between U.K. and Argentina on practical matters.

A man who can state this administrations position as clearly as that should probably be the press secretary rather than Secretary of State. </sarcasm>

35 posted on 02/27/2013 7:53:38 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: USNBandit
Two interesting developments occurred prior to the current Falklands impasse.

There might be a third:

Falkland's oil discovery 'commercially viable', says explorer Borders & Southern as update boosts shares

The Telegraph January 28, 2013

36 posted on 02/27/2013 7:55:07 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: 9YearLurker
Hill must be pinching herself daily that this doofus is trying to fill her heels now at state.

I doubt she's all that suprised. Remember this doofus was not that far away from making Bush 43 a one term President.

37 posted on 02/27/2013 7:57:57 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Camoron decommisioned the harriers back in 2010 so the RN currently has no fixed wing aircraft for its carriers. The new full-sized carriers currently being built will not be ready until the end of the decade at the earliest.

"Camoron" has his hands full:


"Afghan President Hamid Karzai and his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari held peace talks with British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday which for the first time featured top spy chiefs."

Trilateral peace talks in Britain to send clear message to the Taliban - Monday, 04 February 2013
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2985095/posts

38 posted on 02/27/2013 8:13:25 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Don Corleone

One of Kerry’s friends died in North Vietnam concentration camp.

He fell off guard tower. \o/


39 posted on 02/27/2013 8:20:14 AM PST by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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To: trotskylvalia
One of Kerry’s friends died in North Vietnam concentration camp. He fell off guard tower. \o/

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

40 posted on 02/27/2013 9:33:25 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: DoodleDawg

Let me be very clear about our position with respect to the Falklands, which I believe is clear. First of all, I’m not going to comment, nor is the President, on a referendum that has yet to take place, hasn’t taken place. Our position on the Falklands has not changed. The United States recognizes de facto U.K. administration of the islands but takes no position on the question of parties’ sovereignty claims thereto. We support co-operation between U.K. and Argentina on practical matters. = WGAF.


41 posted on 02/27/2013 9:41:45 AM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44)
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To: Pan_Yan
John Friggin Kerry is as useless as two t*ts on a bull when "negotiating" with anyone but the North Vietnamese.
42 posted on 02/27/2013 10:32:10 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Pan_Yan

Thanks for your reply. I know the once Great Britain has hollowed out it’s formidable Naval Forces, but if memory serves, they have one platform that should keep Argentina at bay..... should they have the fortitude to make mention of it. FRegards!


43 posted on 02/27/2013 11:35:47 AM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

4 Eurofighters?! Heck, I would take more than 4 fighters to handle a long week in Vegas.


44 posted on 02/27/2013 12:20:25 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“Camoron decommisioned the harriers back in 2010 so the RN currently has no fixed wing aircraft for its carriers. The new full-sized carriers currently being built will not be ready until the end of the decade at the earliest.”

Hmmm, did not know that. Thought the new carrier was for the Harrier. Hard to see how the Brits will be able to defend the Falklands without any carriers - even against the Argintinans. The U.S., having to be mindful of its relations with the rest of the Americas will not provide overt support. Maybe such as satellite intelligence, etc. But, no air support, etc.


45 posted on 02/27/2013 5:07:11 PM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear

Fortunately for us, Argentina’s military is a shambles and doesn’t have the power projection capability to be able to take the islands in the first place.


46 posted on 02/27/2013 5:17:43 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: snoringbear

We still have HMS Illustrious.


47 posted on 02/28/2013 7:26:46 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Extracted the below from Wikipedia. Appears the Illustrious has been converted to a helicopter carrier - and the Harriers have been decommissioned. Not good. Appears to me that the Brits have put themselves in a bit of a pickle.......

“2010–2014
As part of Strategic Defence and Security Review, and in addition to the axing of the Harrier force and Illustrious’s sister ship Ark Royal, it was announced that a short study would be carried out to determine whether Illustrious or Ocean was the most viable helicopter platform. The decision was subsequently made to retain Ocean for the longer term. In May 2011 Illustrious was made operational after a £40 million refit,[21] and she was handed back to the fleet after sea trials in late July 2011[22] She has taken over the helicopter carrier role while Ocean undergoes a planned refit, due for completion by 2014; Illustrious will then be withdrawn from service.”


48 posted on 03/01/2013 5:29:10 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: snoringbear

True, Illustrious is no longer Harrier carrying, but at least we still have a carrier.

We could always go back to the Hurricats of WW2, lol.


49 posted on 03/01/2013 8:35:37 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

“True, Illustrious is no longer Harrier carrying, but at least we still have a carrier. We could always go back to the Hurricats of WW2, lol!

LOL, I haven’t bothered to research Argentina’s airforce. So, don’t know what their current inventory consists of. However, I do recall that the plane that got off the exercet was some sort of prop job. Perhaps a P-51, don’t know. Anyway, if Argentina should decide to move on the Falklands regardless of how shabby and lame their army may be the Brits can not prevail without air cover. One possibility, maybe they (Brits) could bring their Harriers out of mothballs, load them on the Illustrious, steam to the Falklands, fly them off the Illustrious and setup a defendable airstrip on the big island. That’s about all I can come up with. Well, just thought of another option; persuade the French to send the Charles De Gaulle to the Faulklands. Of course the Brits would have to help the Fench row it over there, too funny huh? I’m pretty proud of that one, lol :). !


50 posted on 03/01/2013 10:03:59 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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