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At the risk of being labelled a misogynist, my observation of women in the US Army over a period of a couple decades is that most enlist to get a comfortable job behind a desk with good childcare benefits. many of these females do a good job as women tend to be detail oriented and like things to be orderly and uniform. In support units in field situations they are not worth the trouble they cause. Female soldiers have a higher sick rate than males partly because they are more prone to getting infections and partly because there is no 'suck it up' ethic among women so if they get the sniffles or have an the trots then they have to hurry off to see the medicos and get a few days light duty or bed rest. On top of this every woman i have ever known is morose, sick, or just plane crazy for a few days every month due to PMS. In an office it is no big deal in the field it means more days of duty lost or degraded by the female soldiers. In combat arms the relative handful of enlisted females that will sign up are likely to be more dysfunctional and maladaptive than the run of the mill soldier and have a big chip on their shoulder looking for an opportunity to run to the 'social actions or EEO officer' to whine about some chauvinistic outrage by one of the male soldiers. Just imagine a younger Roseanne Barr as a female soldier in your platoon. On top of this sour atmosphere an infantry platoon or a tank section with two or three women soldiers suffering from PMS is a picture of a bad accident waiting to happen or in combat real degradation of combat capacity. As several military friends have noted the elites who dream these social experiments up don't much care. If straight , mostly white, men get to endure more BS or have their careers harmed or even get killed as a result of one of these experiments then too bad , they are just stupid expendable oafs. What is that compare with diversifying the general officer ranks so that some women pseudo-soldier officers can get some brief combat arms career punches so they can get to fill command billets and become generals. In fact it would be hard for any of these would be Hillary Generals to be worse than the current turkey, Martin Dempsey who is CJCS.
1 posted on 02/26/2013 8:07:23 AM PST by robowombat
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Key is set a standard ..... Male or female. If the six mile run is 38 minutes then everyone regardless of sex meets that standard.

Same for all qualifications be they physical or mental.

Can’t wait for fat out of shape weaker wannabes when your getting shot at. That’s why some males fail the courses now.

If the standards are lowered on mere PC basis then “special” or “elite” etc is just a lable versus ability.

Meeting physical standards set forth is the key. Do not lower the standards . If a troop, again, male or female , can meet the standards then they should be allowed in.

My opinion...


2 posted on 02/26/2013 8:34:06 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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Completely agree with you: with rare exceptions, adding women to the combat arms will degrade any efficiency and just be a millstone around the neck of the unit. Women aren't suited to true combat and can't be made to be and the interactions within the unit will destroy any unity.

The female senior officers have been uniformly useless in any combat arms capacity and the few I have served with in the Marine Corps never understood what the Marine Corps was really all about: killing people effectively. This isn't about "job creation" for women - it's about the survival of our armed forces and our country.

3 posted on 02/26/2013 8:43:04 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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If you still think this is up for discussion, have at it.

To me, the concept is absurd. Discussing it - at all - is to become delusional yourself.

Either there will be ground combat in the future, or there won’t. Either we will allow females to lead fire teams, on up to platoons, companies, etc., or we won’t.

If there is combat and if we do allow that, we will be crushed by enemies who are not delusional themselves.

Everything else that is being discussed is beside the point.

Don’t waste your time.

And why excuse yourself by your “at the risk of being labelled a misogynist..” intro? What do you care if they label you? They will label you whatever you say, if what you say is the truth. F*** ‘em.


5 posted on 02/26/2013 8:54:35 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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If you still think this is up for discussion, have at it.

To me, the concept is absurd. Discussing it - at all - is to become delusional yourself.

Either there will be ground combat in the future, or there won’t. Either we will allow females to lead fire teams, on up to platoons, companies, etc., or we won’t.

If there is combat and if we do allow that, we will be crushed by enemies who are not delusional themselves.

Everything else that is being discussed is beside the point.

Don’t waste your time.

And why excuse yourself by your “at the risk of being labelled a misogynist..” intro? What do you care if they label you? They will label you whatever you say, if what you say is the truth. F*** ‘em.


6 posted on 02/26/2013 8:55:11 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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Former Army Capt. Tanya Dami NEVER met the men’s standards.

She got by by meeting the lower female standards.

Unless ALL women in the military are forced to meet the men’s standards or GET OUT, there won’t be true “equality”.

Of course, men and women are different.
Forcing TRUE equality upon them would victimize them.


7 posted on 02/26/2013 9:04:40 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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Politics is about rewards. There is no rationality in it. The Democrats are fine with this because they think it appeases the feminists and will bring the Democrats money and votes. Turn it around on them. MAKE women be in the Infantry. Use their favorite policy of Affirmative Action and make all women register for the draft, and then draft them until the Infantry is 60% female. There’s no glamour in the Infantry. Any woman who says she wants to be in the Infantry because it’s so cool and fun and high-paying is a liar and an idiot. The Democrats want to play this game, then rub their nose in it. How many women do you know who want to live in a hole and get their brains blown out? Well, too many women have been voting Democrat with no fear of the consequences. Let’s let them have some of the fear that men have had.


9 posted on 02/26/2013 9:13:09 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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In combat arms the relative handful of enlisted females that will sign up are likely to be more dysfunctional and maladaptive than the run of the mill soldier and have a big chip on their shoulder looking for an opportunity to run to the 'social actions or EEO officer' to whine about some chauvinistic outrage by one of the male soldiers. Just imagine a younger Roseanne Barr as a female soldier in your platoon.

Or worse:


12 posted on 02/26/2013 9:16:25 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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Blunting the tip of the spear is the purpose behind this ridiculous order.

Our military was getting the job done in spite of the outrageous ROE etc. they were saddled with, so the marxist/muslim cabal had to come up with something they plan to sell as “fairness.”


13 posted on 02/26/2013 9:17:06 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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I don’t think menstruating female navy seals having to operate in shark infested waters would be a good idea.


16 posted on 02/26/2013 9:39:58 AM PST by Rebelbase ( .223, .224, whatever it takes....)
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Generals to be worse than the current turkey, Martin Dempsey who is CJCS.

A total turkey.

Boykin acknowledges that women have served bravely under fire. But those situations have largely been in support roles, not offensive operations. They have not served in units trained and equipped to pursue, engage, and destroy a hostile force.

Boykin is correct. Women will drag down our offensive capabilities leading to unnecessary death and possible defeat and all for PC-ness. Dumb.

18 posted on 02/26/2013 9:47:30 AM PST by Red Steel
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Women in combat = mistake.

BIG mistake.


19 posted on 02/26/2013 10:34:43 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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It’s a sick society that sends mommies out to kill people. Mommies are supposed to be kind and nurturing, not killers. That is what daddies are for.


20 posted on 02/26/2013 12:58:47 PM PST by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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We are setting ourselves up for disaster in future wars. The fact we have morons like Dempsey (who should know better) approving of this nonsense is even more scary. They are selling their military birthright and effectiveness out for a pottage of tasty lentils.

Our military has become just another social experiment to "equalize" the sexes. When the real rubber finally meets the hard road, it will fail. But that's what happens when we put Liberals in power; we get failure all the way up and down the line.

We may be kidding ourselves, but we are not kidding our enemies. They are no doubt laughing and licking their chops right now in anticipation of our full implementation of such insane policies. They can smell victory and our looming disaster and must get excited at the thoughts of our gutting our softened, feminized military - even as our government overlords perfume their hankies and demurely waft them over their tender noses to help disguise the oncoming stench of our own death and destruction.

Is it worth this just so a few ambitious females can get on career tracks to the stars? Is it?

21 posted on 02/26/2013 3:03:09 PM PST by Gritty (The 2nd Amendment protects the right to shoot tyrants effectively, not deer-Judge A. Napolitano)
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