Posted on 02/13/2013 9:04:00 AM PST by Kid Shelleen
Shot Hitler.
Absolutely. The Krauts ought to consider themselves lucky we didn’t nuke Berlin. And one more name to add , above all others, Auschwitz.
No I’m not and don;t ever accuse me of being so. You pal are a moral idiot.
I did do my homework, and Hitler actually was denied the Chancellorship by Paul Hindenberg, Germany’s president at the time, who did NOT trust Hitler after the behavior of the SA. It took until 1933 before Hitler formally became Chancellor. Don’t believe me? Here are the sources:
*http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/collapse.htm
*http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/named.htm
I might as well also point out that the SA engaged in voter intimidation as well as street fights against the Communists. By your logic, we Americans are irredeemable because we elected enmasse a quasi-dictator like Barack Obama, twice, and thus we should die and deserve a Dresden right now. I know if I were to use that talk regarding the Germans for nominating Hitler, I’d equally demand my own fellow Americans be destroyed for nominating and electing Obama twice, and even you’d realize that’s crazy. Not to mention, by the end of the election cycle in 1932, largely thanks to the SA’s antics as well as Hitler’s exploding on Hindenberg when he refused him, the Nazis actually lost momentum, lost 34 seats if I recall correctly, which suggests the Nazis actually lost, however narrowly.
Another thing, if the Germans really were that bad, they would have just elected the Nazis from the get go, back in the 1920s, when in reality, they weren’t even remotely popular back then (yes, the Nazis ALSO were running back then, lost a lot of elections). Just something to keep in mind.
I am NOT saying, as an FYI, that I think the Germans didn’t deserve Dresden or that it shouldn’t have happened. It was a major production facility so, yes, they actually DID deserve it being blown up. This isn’t anything like, say, 9/11 in New York, which wasn’t even remotely close to a viable military target.
However, saying the Germans are irredeemable due to bringing about Hitler is not going to cut it, since there were a whole lot of factors to take into account (and besides, by that logic, we Americans are utterly irredeemable by electing Obama twice, who is the closest we had to Hitler at a bare minimum, and if anything, I’d argue he’s closer to a Stalin or Mao Zedong, or heck, even backing the Soviets who were even WORSE than the Nazis, heck, the entire WORLD is irredeemable for a whole slew of actions. So unless you want to denounce America as being evil for letting Obama into office, or France as being evil for its Revolution and exporting it, or the Russians for embracing Communism or, heck, trying to do the Doctor’s Plot at all, which is their version of the Holocaust, not to mention Holodomor, I suggest you can it.).
And for the record, if you’re going to denounce abortion, I suggest you go ALL THE WAY, since God wants that. No abortions, period, no exceptions. Go out of your way to ensure that, at a bare minimum, Roe v. Wade is overturned, get it back to the states, then make darn sure pro-lifers are elected. Even the Catholic Church makes it VERY clear it’s comparable to the Holocaust.
Someone among the Germans (a Jewish German especially) actually TRIED to shoot Hitler. That didn’t work and if anything made the Jewish persecution even worse. Heck, a group of German military officials even attempted to outright bomb Hitler in his own private estate (Operation Valkyrie), THAT didn’t work. So yeah, while it would have been nice if someone did do that, that wasn’t even close to a feasible plan at all. Hitler’s the paranoid type, often changing plans just to upset any potential assassinations against him.
And when I say “God wants that”, I mean God wants abortion completely eradicated.
Please let us know what you think they should have, or could have, done.
To be fair, it kind of IS equivalent. Want to know where Hitler got his idea for genocide against the Jews? He got it from none other than Margaret Sanger, the lady responsible for Planned Parenthood, the biggest abortion mill in America. Heck, want to know WHY Planned Parenthood was created? Simple: It was to effectively commit a Black Holocaust by our so-called “betters” under eugenics. Don’t believe me? Read this: http://www.acts1711.com/sanger.htm
So next time you try to claim they aren’t equivalent, read up on how Hitler and Sanger corresponded with each other and gave each other ideas and remember that they WERE in fact joined at the hip. Might as well denounce us Americans as being irredeemable for even letting Planned Parenthood get as far.
And that’s not even getting into Karl Marx also playing a role in the Jewish holocaust by demanding that the Jewish people be exterminated in his Jewish Question, which the Final Solution was meant to solve.
Because the Allied war in Europe had nothing to do with Jews. We were pursuing three objectives: 1) Liberate France and the Low Countries, 2) Protect Britain, and 3) Preserve the USSR.
Roosevelt didn't want Jews in America as refugees and was very proactive in preventing it. Stalin shed no tears over the genocide in Ukraine and the Baltic, he probably thought it was a good idea.
The concentration camp videos in "Why We Fight" were from Buchenwald and Dachau, which were very bad places, but non-denominational prisons where the death of inmates was the result of starvation and disease.
The crimes of Germany against the Jewish people in the East, and via transport from Western Europe (especially France), were never part of Allied war aims and, to the extent that most people today believe they were is an example of false memories.
Yeah, and there’s another point to be made: If people truly were concerned about the Jews being wiped out during the Holocaust, they would have doubled down on the Doctor’s Plot as soon as it became apparent (especially after it became public knowledge during Khrushchev’s secret speech), and made even MORE enemies with the USSR, instead of acting like the USSR was Jew-friendly and calling us Americans fascists.
No apologies needed by anyone. WW2 was a total war. Germans started it (granted France and UK did it by screwing Germans after WW1). The way I see it - kill them all until they give up. That way our sons come home alive and early. War sucks so the people and their governments are culpable. That includes us when we allow our government to attack other sovereign countries for good or bad reasons. We do so understanding that the other side is going to fight back. The citizens of the country waging war are valid and moral targets for retribution. We should remember Dresden as the price people pay for their societal contribution.
Just my opinion. As the USA wages war in shit hole counties don’t be surprised when the fight back the ways they can. Someone real smart one day will unleash hell on another country via genetic engineered bio weapons so be real sure it’s worth it before being cheerleaders.
Launching a war and declaring war, yes, they are different from abortion, but the holocaust is definitely comparable to abortion in this case (and yes, the holocaust is, at least officially, part of WWII history, even if stopping it is not one of the primary mission objectives of the Allies, so it still counts, and besides, you did indicate earlier that the Germans got what they deserved for Auschwitz, which the whole abortion bit was in reference to).
Well, to be fair, the guys who did Operation Valkyrie WERE German soldiers/officers, so some German soldiers/officers DID try to pull off killing Hitler.
Besides, when that young German Jewish kid tried to shoot Hitler during the 1930s, he ultimately failed, so it’s unlikely a German soldier would have been able to do the same thing (especially not after Hitler forced a loyalty oath to him alone to even JOIN the military at all, and that’s not even getting into the Hitler Youth where most of the kids didn’t even have a choice but to enter it.).
Glad we can agree on that bit about Sanger, at least. Though I do think we’d need to be absolutely consistent regarding who deserves what (which means that, ultimately, if we’re going to blame Germans as irredeemable for the holocaust as you indicated in some posts, you might as well blame us Americans for what Sanger pulled. Only fair and consistent after all, and this is speaking AS an American, a conservative one at that.). Not disagreeing with you about Dresden. Actually, I agree it definitely needed to be done ESPECIALLY under Total War precepts (and besides, the Nazis did far WORSE atrocities that stifle the imagination like battle plans to basically raze an entire compound filled with military staff of an enemy with flamethrowers without them even seeing it coming. One of these plans were actually leaked to their enemy, and the enemy didn’t do a thing to stop it because even THEY were in utter disbelief that they’d be capable of such a thing due to how heinous it was.).
Any German officer standing two feet from Hitler prior to July 1944 could have blown his brains out.
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