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Barbour Goes to War with the Club for Growth [joins TokyoRove]
National Review ^ | 2/12/2013 | Robert Costa

Posted on 02/12/2013 2:35:46 PM PST by Servant of the Cross

Former Mississippi governor Haley Barbour, one of the most influential players in the Republican party, is privately battling the Club for Growth.

Last week, at a closed-door retreat in northern Virginia, Barbour told a large gathering of congressional staffers, including several leadership aides, that party officials should discourage donors from funding the high-profile conservative group.

Insiders say Barbour’s comments came during a question-and-answer session at the Ripon Society’s annual symposium, which was held at Mount Vernon, the home of former president George Washington.

Sources say Barbour was asked about the group’s growing influence, and then he urged the aides and strategists to fight back. Many in the audience applauded Barbour for his remarks, according to two sources in the room.

In an interview with National Review Online on Tuesday, Barbour confirmed his appearance at the retreat, and acknowledged his growing frustration with conservative organizations that target Republicans in primaries.

“We kicked away four or five Senate seats in the last two cycles by nominating candidates who did not have the best chance to win,” he says. “We ought to talk to Republican donors now, in the off-season before the primaries, and discourage them from donating to organizations that will attack good Republicans.”

“Republican groups like the Club for Growth should stop spending money to defeat Republicans,” he adds. “Politics can’t be about purity. Unity wins in politics, purity loses.”

Barbour, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, is an adviser to American Crossroads, the Republican super PAC founded by Karl Rove. Crossroads recently started a new program, the Conservative Victory Project, which aims to protect select Republicans in contentious primary battles.

“Twice in my lifetime, Republican presidential candidates have gotten 60 percent of the vote,” Barbour says. “We should manage our coalition and keep our party diverse and large.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barbour; gope; rove
"Good Republicans". Unity vs. Purity. Barf. Um, Haley, 0bama and the Libs win with 'purity'. Just the anti-American kind.

Poor Haley. He wants to fight in 2014-2016 with strategy from the 1980s.

1 posted on 02/12/2013 2:35:51 PM PST by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

What Unity when you are at war with your own base??


2 posted on 02/12/2013 2:36:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Servant of the Cross
It's time for those boys to be honest and form their own Democrat Lite party.
3 posted on 02/12/2013 2:39:27 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The Club for Growth is anti-Christian.

If we don’t have tradtional values the money won’t save us.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 2:40:03 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

My first thought was that it said Barbara (Walters) had joined Rove... lol


5 posted on 02/12/2013 2:40:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Servant of the Cross

>>We should manage our coalition and keep our party diverse and large.”<<

Translation: Amnesty.

How stupid can these people be? We lost because we didn’t run CONSERVATIVE candidates! The dims already own the “diversity” (translation: racists and takers) vote. No amount of kissing up will change that.

We need to re-brand ourselves as true Conservatives: small government, maximum freedom, Constitutionalism.

Reagan won’t come back, but we can and must find candidates who hew to these principles!


6 posted on 02/12/2013 2:40:59 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: donna

BUMP

If the fight is between those 2 groups, I don’t have a dog in it.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 2:41:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Servant of the Cross; WXRGina; duffee; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; ...

Ex Guvner Ping


8 posted on 02/12/2013 2:43:06 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: Servant of the Cross; WXRGina; duffee; onyx; DrewsMum; Tupelo; mstar; jdirt; ...

Ex Guvner Ping


9 posted on 02/12/2013 2:43:53 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: donna

Yes, the Club for Growth is suspect because the head guy is a Muslim lover. We need to get the boss out of there, or find a new outfit that will take its economic position without shilling for the Arabs.

But it must be said that that’s not the reason why Barbour is speaking out against it. He is first and foremost a political operative, and he hates real conservatives.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 2:45:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Just goes to show you, ya can’t trust any politician......Fire them all (and their staffers) frequently. Government needs a constant supply of new officials....ones with the common sence of the everyday man.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 2:51:06 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“Good Republicans” = “Shut-up-and-do-as-you’re-told” Republicans.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 2:51:21 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Conservative Victory Project Poster Boy!

'I Don’t Expect to Be Cheering House Republicans Anytime Soon'

13 posted on 02/12/2013 2:53:59 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Cicero

Message to Haley: Winning means nothing unless followed by a conservative voting record. I’m done with the likes of Karl, Haley, and Sean. They’re all too establishment and liberal for me.


14 posted on 02/12/2013 2:55:06 PM PST by wewereright
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To: Servant of the Cross

What happened to him? I used to be a fan of his. Another RINO. Pity.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 2:55:11 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: freedumb2003

Conservatives can lose elections also. We need candidates who are conservatives AND politically savvy. Otherwise we end up with losses in elections:

Richard Mourdock
Sharron Angle
Christine O’Donnell
George Allen
Joe Miller
Ken Buck
Alan West
Doug Hoffman
JD Hayworth

All of them very good & solid conservatives. I love them
all without exception. But they are now sitting on the ash
heap of history. Hopefully some of them can make a comeback.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 2:59:40 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Servant of the Cross

If I’m not mistaken, the Club for Growth has always been soft on illegal immigration. They’re one of those groups who repackages their own special agenda as conservative orthodoxy. Good for Barbour for standing up to them.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 3:03:49 PM PST by x
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To: entropy12

Weird list. George Allen was the choice of the party guys. Allen West won as a conservative and got redistricted out by our own party bosses.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 3:05:43 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: x
Good for Barbour for standing up to them.

Yea, some other posters don't like CFG either. However, Haley (and Rove) are casting a broad brush here. It's not just CFG they are going to war with.

“We ought to talk to Republican donors now, in the off-season before the primaries, and discourage them from donating to organizations that will attack good(?!) Republicans (i.e. he means the likes of Crist, Lugar, Castle ...).

This is pure GOPe. He and Rove have a big problem with any non-GOPe conservative group.

19 posted on 02/12/2013 3:14:14 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Timber Rattler

BUMP!

___________

” - - - Unity wins in politics, purity loses.” - - - “

It is called the Zombie RINO Lemming Dance.

After all, we don’t need no stinkin’ Principles, Constitution, or Values! We just need to WIN!

Yesss, indeedy! The Democrats have the winning idea: stand for the worst of human nature, and lie, lie, lie!

Just follow ol’ “Turd Blossom” Rove who is so smart that he KNOWS which Candidate will win, form a united front, and do the Zombie RINO Lemming Dance!

BTW, ain’t this great? No need to think or stand for anything! Wow!


20 posted on 02/12/2013 3:16:48 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Law s, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ilgipper

My main point is not the list. My main point is that to win a candidate must be both, a solid conservative AND politically very savvy. The low information voters are easy prey to the socialist propaganda which tells them that money will be forced out from the rich and given to them. So it is a very difficult job to win elections now a days. Even Ronald Reagan would have a tough time winning in 2016.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 3:21:33 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: entropy12
The other side of the story is that conservatives can also win elections:

Pat Toomey
John Boozman
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Roy Blunt
Kelly Ayotte
John Hoeven
Mike Lee
Ron Johnson
Jeff Flake
Ted Cruz
Deb Fischer

Yes, we need candidates who are conservatives AND politically savvy. And Rove/Barbour aren't using the right definition.

22 posted on 02/12/2013 3:25:36 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: WKB
“We should manage our coalition and keep our party diverse and large.”

Those Big Tent Republicans are the death of the GOP.

They never learn, no matter the number of elections they lose.

23 posted on 02/12/2013 3:37:17 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: WKB

I respect Governor Barbour and he has been good for Mississippi. The problems we are faced with today as Americans is because the socialist have been sucessful at dividing our peoples into groups and pitting them against one another, the rich, poor, blacks, latinos, rural, urban, surburban, gay, religeous, non-religeous, english-speaking, non-english speaking. Now Governor Barbour and Karl Rove are engaging in these tactics to divide the Republican party. Where will the Republican party be if they lose Conservatives? Where will the Conservatives be without the Republican party. We are running out of time and instead working to beat Conservative Republicans in primaries they need to be working to beat democrats.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 4:03:37 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Keep the party “diverse and large”, huh? Including advocates for sodomite marriage, abortion supporters, those who want amnesty for illegals, etc. Nope, not for me; I have no unity with such things.

I never did like that bloviating gasbag.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 4:31:19 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Exactly right you are. All those in your list are in my honest opinion politically smarter than the ones who lost.
Please no more candidates like Akin or Mourdock. The country is on the verge of a serious breakdown, economically, morally and militarily. We can’t afford any more unnecessary losses.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 4:37:04 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Indy Pendance

The Republican Red stench of Barbour was only slightly obvious unless you paid close attention to what this turd did not what puked out of his piggish mouth. FU Haley you’re another Rovian traitor.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 5:23:27 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Barbour joins Rove ping.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 6:31:44 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I nail Barbour pretty good in the book in one section too


29 posted on 02/12/2013 6:36:37 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Servant of the Cross

Haley Barbour is apparently a pandering liberal moron. He should be telling donors to DOUBLE their donations to the Club for Growth. Instead he wants to grease the skids for the likes of Jim Jeffords, Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee, Mike Castle, and Mark Kirk? Barbour may as well just switch parties now.


30 posted on 02/12/2013 6:38:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: onyx

The big tent idiots don’t want conservative, but will support any rino or tepid republican.


31 posted on 02/13/2013 2:50:04 AM PST by goat granny
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To: x
I remember a few years back a reporter asking Hally if he would run for president....His response was, when you see me lose weight, I am in the running......he has lost weight this past couple of years. He use to be a rock solid conservation, but don't know what he is now, my niece lives in Biloxi and she loved how he handled things compared to how Louisiana handled theirs's. And Mississippi got hardly and press, cause Republican
32 posted on 02/13/2013 3:02:26 AM PST by goat granny
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To: x
If I’m not mistaken, the Club for Growth has always been soft on illegal immigration. They’re one of those groups who repackages their own special agenda as conservative orthodoxy. Good for Barbour for standing up to them.

They are libertarian capitalist. They are like CATO. Open borders and free trade. National sovereignty is way down their list. Agree somewhat with Club for Growth and CATO Institute but they have large shortcomings

33 posted on 02/13/2013 3:03:04 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: goat granny

You’re right.


34 posted on 02/13/2013 3:26:58 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: entropy12

You post is a hopeful sign — that smarter candidates are more likely to win. I would like that.
My concern is that smartness may be irrelevant in a Dem candidate. A Dem candidate can be more idiotic than anyone on the conservative side and they win anyway. If the R party runs smarter candidates, the Dem media will tell the voting public the R candidate is an idiot. I heard after the election from the Dem media that Romney lost because of his “gaffes”. The guy made a defensible comment about “47% of voters” and the Dem media simply used it as their campaign tool. If the R party doesn’t address the information system through which the voters’ opinions are shaped, the R party can run the smartest candidates in the country and still won’t win elections. Stated another way, a single ambiguous comment is all it takes for the Dem media to destroy an R candidate. A steady stream of appalling and offensive comments from a Dem candidate has no effect on the Dem’s candidacy. That is why I am concerned that Rove’s organization is taking on a battle that won’t produce wins. The need for smarter candidates isn’t as great as the need to communicate with voters although I also accept that the most appealing candidate may differ in type from state to state—relatively more conservative in some states than in others. That is just my opinion—thanks for reading and posting. I appreciate everyones’ contributing of points of view and enjoy reading them.

As for your comment regarding the country being on the verge of a serious breakdown, I must sadly agree. At this point, we will have to stop further damage, identify ways to repair the damage, educate and communicate about how to repair the damage, then actually repair the damage. That is a big task and it can’t begin until the American people personally experience the damage and resolve that it needs to be repaired. That first step is yet to be taken.


35 posted on 02/13/2013 3:18:47 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: iacovatx

Romney lost for many reasons. Not just one singular gaffe. I will list my opinions listed in order of importance.

1. He did not enunciate the message clearly. Just being for tax cuts and against tax increases is not enough. The candidate needs to explain why it is so in clear and simple language which even the low information voter can digest.

2. He never went for the jugular. Obama did, from the moment Romney was nominated. Romney should have learned from Newt how to deliver a punch which lands.

3. He avoided appearing on fair & balanced Fox News, which he should have done 2 dozen times after nomination.

4. Mormon religion was a problem for religious bigots.

5. He should have never said the 47% will never vote for him. Not as stupid as saying Rape does not result in pregnancy, but equally damaging. People can record and will record anything you say with today’s technology.

By smart candidates I do not infer high college grades. I am talking about political smarts. If one is lacking in that, election loss will result.

I really think most Americans are blissfully ignorant of how bad shape the financial situation is. Most do not understand compounding interest. When budget deficits are lined up as far as the eye can see, NONE OF THE PRINCIPLE is being paid back. Worse than that, we are borrowing money just to pay the interest on national debt. Any private corporation or individual would be considered legally bankrupt with the current national balance sheet.


36 posted on 02/13/2013 3:55:27 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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