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Dem Congressman: ‘It’s Clear That We [Also] Need to Look at Handguns’
National Review Online ^ | February 10, 2013 | Andrew Johnson

Posted on 02/11/2013 1:38:21 PM PST by neverdem

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Dem Congressman: ‘It’s Clear That We [Also] Need to Look at Handguns’

On Friday night’s Rachel Maddow Show, Illinois representative Luis Gutiérrez told guest host Melissa Harris-Perry that the violence in his Chicago district could be cause for lawmakers to take action not only on semi-automatic weapons, but on handguns. Noting (correctly) that nearly 97 percent of Chicago gun murders in 2011, the most recent year for which statistic are available, were carried out with handguns, Gutiérrez said,”It’s clear that we need to look at handguns also.”

The recent debate on gun control has centered around reimplementing a strengthened version of the 1994 assault-weapons ban and on limiting magazine sizes. It would leave handguns largely untouched.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; banlist; democrats; guncontrol; gunfreezone; luisgutirrez; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 02/11/2013 1:38:24 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

But, but, but! Handguns are already banned in Chicago!


2 posted on 02/11/2013 1:40:11 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: neverdem

You can tell that they still don’t know what a semi is.....


3 posted on 02/11/2013 1:41:17 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DMZFrank; endthematrix; Chgogal; NotJustAnotherPrettyFace; Lawgvr1955; Petruchio; stylin19a; ...
BANG!
4 posted on 02/11/2013 1:41:47 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
It is clear that the elected persons learn the Constitution and know the limits to which they were elected.
5 posted on 02/11/2013 1:42:57 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sacajaweau
You can tell that they still don’t know what a semi is.....

You can tell that they still know how to take advantage of deliberate misconstrual, deception, and repetitive propaganda.

6 posted on 02/11/2013 1:44:09 PM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: neverdem

Mr. Gutiérrez, we need to get rid of thugs in Chicago and every other major city in America? If that is done, crime will decline substantially. Please figure out how to do that without taking my freedoms, liberties, rights and money. Or one day real Americans are going to do it for free.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 1:47:19 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: neverdem

YouTube on Gun Control is Genocide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic


8 posted on 02/11/2013 1:47:46 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: neverdem

Fine. You can look, but you’d better not touch!


9 posted on 02/11/2013 1:47:46 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: neverdem

YouTube on Gun Control is Genocide:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWioXYaic


10 posted on 02/11/2013 1:48:00 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: neverdem
What they need to do is look at and read the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press.” Thomas Jefferson

11 posted on 02/11/2013 1:50:37 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416 "ItÂ’s one thing to make a law, ItÂ’s another to enforce it.")
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To: neverdem

Since virtually every one of the horrific gun crimes we’ve seen in the media has been perpetrated by a leftwing nutcase, including the ex-cop still on the loose, perhaps it’s time we focused on liberals themselves instead of the particular rock or stick they happened to use, and restrict their access to weapons.


12 posted on 02/11/2013 1:51:21 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem

I think he meant “look down the barrel of handguns,” in which case he’d be correct.


13 posted on 02/11/2013 1:51:42 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: neverdem

actually, it seems pretty clear that Illinois needs to A.) build another couple of prisons and B.) start locking up gang bangers. It’s hard to do that when you can’t even meet your pension requirements though...thanks to all the unions...and all the democrats...and all their various entitlements.


14 posted on 02/11/2013 1:52:18 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: neverdem

Rats are always welcome to look at my handguns.


15 posted on 02/11/2013 1:54:17 PM PST by Starstruck (All goverments become tyrannical. Individuals determine when they do.)
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To: SpaceBar
FYI (from Jan 30, 2013):

" FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) — A judge has decided a Fort Hood shooting suspect still can face the death penalty if convicted in the worst mass shooting on a U.S. military installation.

The judge, Col. Tara Osborn, on Wednesday denied Maj. Nidal Hasan’s request to remove the death penalty as a punishment option.

Osborn was expected to rule later on Hasan’s request to plead guilty to 13 counts of premeditated murder in the 2009 attack on the Texas Army post. But Army rules prohibit a judge from accepting a guilty plea in a death penalty case.

Hasan also is charged with 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. He faces execution or life in prison without parole.

Osborn is holding hearings Wednesday through Friday to reconsider defense motions previously rejected by the former judge."

16 posted on 02/11/2013 1:55:52 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Starstruck

Translation. We need to start taking handguns away from the law abiding white people. Cause we sure and hell ain’t going into the hood and get shot at.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 1:57:46 PM PST by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: neverdem
Noting (correctly) that nearly 97 percent of Chicago gun murders in 2011, the most recent year for which statistic are available, were carried out with handguns

Who were the perps, Luis? Why not do something to specifically control the lawless savages?

18 posted on 02/11/2013 2:01:34 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: neverdem

Indeed, let’s get the democRat gun agenda all out in the open.

A leftist agenda exposed is a leftist agenda defeated - usually.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 2:06:18 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: neverdem; All

Yes, look at those handguns next to a copy of the 2nd Amendment.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 2:09:07 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: neverdem
Celtic Conservative: "It's clear we (also) need to look at impeachment"

CC

21 posted on 02/11/2013 2:10:10 PM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: Alaska Wolf
"Noting (correctly) that nearly 97 percent of Chicago gun murders in 2011, the most recent year for which statistic are available, were carried out with handguns"

Hey how about we just make it illegal to commit murder?

Making guns illegal in chicago hasn't worked...

22 posted on 02/11/2013 2:10:49 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Bushbacker1
But, but, but! Handguns are already banned in Chicago!

Yes, but now they will be double secrete banned. That'll fix the problem!

23 posted on 02/11/2013 2:12:58 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: neverdem

Send louie back to Mexico.


24 posted on 02/11/2013 2:13:59 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Thanks for the link!


25 posted on 02/11/2013 2:15:00 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Sacajaweau

“You can tell that they still don’t know what a semi is.....”

Don’t underestimate them.

Step 1: Ban evil assault weapons....for the children.

Step 2: Patiently wait for the next Gabby Giffords style massacre with a handgun.

Step 3: Profess amazement that hanguns kill 100 times more people than assault weapons...and use the logic that since AR15’s are banned, shouldn’t the much more dangerous handgun be banned?

Its a carefully planned incremental assault on the 2nd amendment. That’s why the NRA can’t give one inch.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 2:25:03 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: neverdem

Just like a tax increase, one piece of gun control is never enough.

The end-game is indisputable -— confiscation of ALL arms.


27 posted on 02/11/2013 2:25:25 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Bushbacker1
Handguns are already banned in Chicago!

They were banned from the early 1980s until 2010, when the SCOTUS ruled that the ban was unconstitutional. Chicago politicians then wrote new gun ownership requirements that made it very difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain permission to own a handgun. Criminals, of course, have no difficulty, which is why more than 100 children are shot in Chicago every year.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 2:25:46 PM PST by American Quilter (I will succeed despite the liberals.)
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To: neverdem

It’s Clear That We Need to Look at DEMOCRATS.


29 posted on 02/11/2013 2:31:46 PM PST by Gator113 ( REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS and leave my guns alone!!)
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To: neverdem

He can look at mine...it’s on my home page.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 2:35:17 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Mr. K
Hey how about we just make it illegal to commit murder?

If you check you'll find it already is in all 50 states.

31 posted on 02/11/2013 2:48:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: neverdem

That’s the ultimate goal. It makes no sense to ban assault rifles because they kill people and not handguns because they kill people. They are using the mass shootings to try to ban assault rifles, and that’s to get a foot in the door. People like Musket Morgan act as though they only want to ban assault rifles, but I don’t believe if for a minute. The ultimate goal is a gun ban. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 2:52:55 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: neverdem

Someone needs to deal with refocusing the dabate.

Nobody should be advocating making it tougher on any level for law-abiding people to acquire and possess and use firearms.

The solution is not more laws criminals are going to ignore.

The solution is enforcing the laws against criminals attempting to get guns - the laws Biden says they don’t have the manpower to enforce now. So why put more laws on the books you don’t have the manpower to enforce, Joe?

The solution is no more easy-victim killing zones. Anywhere.

The solution is letting law-abiding people be abel to defend themselves when threats pop up in their midst.

The solution is to let the good people protect themselves against the bad people who don’t give two craps about the myriad of laws they are breaking trying to rob, murder, rape, whatever victim they’ve targeted.

Then force them to acknowledge their all about gun confiscation from law abiding people and that’s the real plan. They don’t enforce gun laws against criminals, aka Biden, all their ideas are more laws that only the law-abiding care about not violating, because the criminals break laws all the time and more laws that the govt won’t enforce on the criminals doesn’t exactly scare them, so the net result of their “solutions” - taxes, less capacity, less models to use, more govt tracking, etc - ONLY RESULT in harming and restricitng the LAW-ABIDING people, NOT the crimnals.

And watch them stutter and stammer.


33 posted on 02/11/2013 2:53:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem
We need to look at the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


34 posted on 02/11/2013 3:11:54 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: neverdem
A message to the congresscritter:

Smile and wait for the flash.

35 posted on 02/11/2013 3:32:02 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: neverdem

Handguns are not used against government troops as much.

So, they’re going for the weapons they care about most: Those that can be used against a tyrant.


36 posted on 02/11/2013 3:48:12 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: neverdem

Yeah, look at the barrel of those handguns really, really closely. Inspect it thoroughly. Hold it up to your eyes so you can see it well....


38 posted on 02/11/2013 3:55:29 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

“If you check you’ll find it already is in all 50 states.”

Actually it’s not... Babies are murdered legally in all states. To the tune of 1.2 million a year.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 4:03:17 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: ConservativeInPA
"Or one day real Americans are going to do it for free."

Happy thoughts! :)
40 posted on 02/11/2013 4:21:13 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: babygene
Babies are murdered legally in all states.

I'm anti-abortion. The USSC has decided that a fetus and a baby are not one and the same. So according to law, babies are not being murdered.

We have abortion and Obama and the US is paying the price.

41 posted on 02/11/2013 4:27:04 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: neverdem

I looked at a couple of mine just a little while ago. Beautiful....


42 posted on 02/11/2013 4:39:18 PM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“The end-game is indisputable -— confiscation of ALL arms.”

No, it’s civil war.


43 posted on 02/11/2013 4:44:34 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Then end game is not confiscation of all arms. The end game is re-education camps.


44 posted on 02/11/2013 4:49:58 PM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Fine. You can look, but you’d better not touch!

Luis can come and look down the short barrel of my .38 if he wants to!


45 posted on 02/11/2013 4:55:31 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Alaska Wolf

“The USSC has decided that a fetus and a baby are not one and the same.’

I don’t give a rat’s A$$ what the USSC says. It’s pretty obvious...


46 posted on 02/11/2013 4:58:36 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Easy way to get rid of the thugs. Open season on gang banggers. Sell hunting permits for $500ea with a bag limit of 5. Turn the 5 in and get a bounty of $1000ea, then turn around and buy another permit.
47 posted on 02/11/2013 5:07:20 PM PST by OHPatriot (It's time to party like it's 1096 AD.)
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To: neverdem
Politicians are the dumbest a-holes on earth. This jerk needs to review the US SC Case D.C. v. Heller
48 posted on 02/11/2013 5:20:51 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Bushbacker1
The opinion of the US SC in the 2008 Heller case is that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right and that the banning of an entire class of firearms (specifically handguns) is prohibited. Further, in 2010 McDonald v. Chicago incorporated the 2nd under the 14th Amendmnet's Due Process Clause, thus applying the 2nd to the states. The stupid politician is not even aware that Chicago has been slapped down by the US SC just two years ago.
49 posted on 02/11/2013 5:27:56 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: neverdem

It has always been about handguns.

Assault rifles are just a decoy to try and get their anti-gun foot in the door.

Once they get a ban on AWs then they will use the same reasons to go after handguns.

John Kennedy killed with a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Charles Whitman, killed 14, wounded 32 others mostly with a bolt action 6mm hunting rifle. Also used a shotgun and an m1 carbine.
Medgar Evers, shot with a 5 shot 1917 bolt action Enfield rifle.

Martin Luther King, shot with a 4 shot Remington 760 pump action Gamemaster rifle.

Bobby Kennedy with a .22 Iver Johnson Cadet revolver.

George Wallace wounded with a 5 shot Charter Arms .38spl revolver.

Howard Johnsons shooter killed nine, wounded thirteen with a 4 shot RUGER .44 mag Deerslayer rifle.

Gerald Ford attacked with a 7 shot 1911 semi auto.

Edmond OK post office with two National Guard 7 shot 1911 pistols.

Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady with an RG-14 .22 revolver.

What do they all have in common? NONE over 7 rounds, yet after each one came a cry of panic to ban all of them.

And here is what Nelson Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control Inc had to say.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time.

My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered.

And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58


50 posted on 02/11/2013 5:39:29 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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