Posted on 02/09/2013 9:26:32 AM PST by lbryce
It really isn’t as much as people are making it out to be. If you get into the details, what has changed is they are making five year contracts versus yearly contracts. Ammunition orders under the Bush administration were around 230 million rounds per year so the increase isn’t that much. (also note, many of the ‘billions’ stories make it appear they are actually getting that much delivered, which isn’t true, they are simply contracting a negotiated price for up to a certain amount for a period of time).
What has changed, however, is going to half-decade contracts at one time. This has created bottlenecks in the system that has impacted supply and is in part, causing the shortages you are seeing now.
LOL!! Yeh if they are planning to turn the DHS (TSA) loose on us let the festivities begin.
China, where else?
Regards,
GtG
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It takes a lot of bullets to kill a pickup from the rear.
Not funny is it?
Yeah, its mostly just a hobby for me. It can save money if you pick up brass. Start buying brass and your savings goes down.
I try to keep ammo stocks as well. I keep factory loads of ‘self defense’ hot loads that I do not shoot. They stay loaded in my guns but I take them out and shoot my reloads when I go to the backyard for fun.
I have an assortment of different caliber rifles, but heck, I shoot .22lr in my backyard just because its fun. Cheap too.
We set out water ballons at 300yds and have fun all day for minimal $$.
We also have “dart board” paper targets at about 150yds. Looks like a dart borad and you keep score like a dart game. Fun fun fun and cheap.
What you just said that is relates to the shortages we’re seeing now...doesn’t make any sense under the JIT delivery system.
What you said makes sense if somebody ...somewhere...is being required to actually stockpile that much. Whether it is in a government stockpile or at the production warehouse.... stockpiling it would cause a shortage.
Standard production JIT delivery on a 5 year contract would not...or should not at the rate we’re seeing now.
There would still be other mfgs. other calibers and ammo of the caliber being bought with different specs that people could buy.
There is absolutely no reason to try and affect the availability of .357SIG to the general public since it's not really that common of a round.
It depends on what calibers they’re ordering. I see a lot of references to handgun rounds, 9MM and .40 ammo. In light of recent events involving certain LAPD shooting incidents, they haven’t ordered nearly enough if they actually want to hit their intended targets. As for the AR crowd, you have to compete against the feds for supply of common military rounds, with civilians being only a secondary market.
There is absolutely no reason to try and affect the availability of .357SIG to the general public since it’s not really that common of a round.
When you consider 46% of 370 million people your enemy you need lots of ammo... That the way they figure
” they are simply contracting a negotiated price for up to a certain amount for a period of time).”
That is my understanding. A BPA deal.
“In accordance with Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) 8.405-3, ordering activities may establish Blanket Purchase Agreements (BPAs) under any GSA Schedule contract. GSA Schedules simplify the filling of recurring needs for supplies and services, while leveraging ordering activities’ buying power by taking advantage of quantity discounts, saving administrative time, and reducing paperwork. View the BPA training video series on our YouTube playlist.
To establish BPAs, ordering activities evaluate different contractors on Schedule for a particular category of supply or service, then establish an ongoing agreement for repetitive orders from the selected contractor. The agreement between ordering activity and Schedule contractors will generally look like this sample BPA format [Word, 27K].
Benefits and Advantages of BPAs
BPAs offer an excellent option for federal agencies and Schedule contractors alike, providing convenience, efficiency, and reduced costs. Contractual terms and conditions are contained in GSA Schedule contracts and are not to be re-negotiated for GSA Schedule BPAs. Therefore, as a purchasing option, BPAs eliminate such contracting and open market costs as the search for sources, the need to prepare solicitations, and the requirement to synopsize the acquisition.
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Provide opportunities to negotiate improved discounts;
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Permit ordering activities the ability to incorporate terms and conditions not in conflict with the underlying contract.
A BPA can be set up for field offices across the nation, thus allowing them to participate in a customer’s BPA and place orders directly with GSA Schedule contractors. In doing so, the entire agency reaps the benefits of additional discounts negotiated into the BPA.
A multi-agency BPA is also permitted if the BPA identifies the participating agencies and their estimated requirements at the time the BPA is established.”
Cease thy jest, thou devil-coddling knave, and pay thy income tax.
I hate to admit it but your scenario is also my “last resort”
explanation to myself as to this (apparently) unprecedented
purchase of ammo (using, of course, OUR money to do it.)
There are other explanations, a few of which have been already offered on this thread.
We might inch closer to a credible explanation if we had some
enterprising reporter bring it up at a presser. (Jake Tapper, perhaps?) and NOT give up when he gets the typical evasive
answer from , for example, Jay Carney. But , on the face of it, I have no doubt that, whether the ammo buy has anything to do with it, this Administration has a sense that it has created a virtual point of no return in polarizing enormous sectors of the population, and that they want this polarization will continue: they for all practical purposes, are not afraid to go “all in”. In any event, they need to provide their OWN explanation for the purchase, and we can all take it from there. At the same time, I think it would be very difficult to get an honest response from them, when so much could be accomplished by letting the whole issue twist in the wind, and make our side look like conspiracy nuts, while waiting for an opportunity to bring it all to a fever pitch where they can provoke some fringe group into acting violently, then clamp down on ALL of us.
One thing is for sure: there is no “benign” explanation for this ammo purchase.
Went to the Rocky Mountain Gunshow last weekend, plenty of ammo available, even at the end of the show.
300 rounds of 556 for $400.
Our “conservaative” House holds the purse, but so far nothing from them on this business. They’ll be the first ones arrested when they finally get wise.
The specs for the ammo are too specific. It stipulates a specific bullet be used in say the .40 S&W.
There are too many other mfg. making the same cal of ammo but with their own or different bullets from different mfg. to affect overall supply.
That one .40 cal bullet from that one mfg would be in shortage and then only for a short time.
If they are buying this for supply over a 5 year period, then it’s not so bad that they are buying this quantity, in fact it would make sense economically as it would lock in the price as the price goes up.
The question is did they change from yearly purchase to 5 year purchase for economic reasons?
Democrats never gave a damn about saving taxpayers money before so why now?
More that likely they changed to get the response they are getting from everyone right now.
They are intentionally pushing peoples buttons on every issue to fuel mistrust in the govt. in the hope that someone will snap and respond.
It’s always prudent to provide an innocent alternative explanation.
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