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Karl Rove’s idea of electability: GOP elites keep getting it wrong
BIZ PAC Review (West Palm Beach, Florida) ^ | February 8, 2013 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 02/08/2013 12:15:48 PM PST by Moseley

Republican insiders want to force Republican voters to choose more “electable” nominees than examples like Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, so Karl Rove launched the American Crossroads super PAC to counteract the tea party.

Undeniably, better candidates are better and worse candidates are worse. Unfortunately, that meaningless platitude illustrates the problem. GOP elites have no idea who is going to win an election, and there are several reasons I say that.

First, the establishment wants fiscal conservatives who downplay social issues. But drunken sailors are more restrained with money than establishment Republicans, the tea party complains. The trouble with fiscal conservatives is they aren’t fiscally conservative. Insiders evade scrutiny of massive over-regulation and soaring debt by scapegoating social issues.

Second, Rove’s type of candidate really isn’t qualified, because trust is the No. 1 qualification. If I trust how a politician will vote, why do I care what he used to do? Congress is not a resume fashion show. Rove’s preferred candidates fail the most important electoral test with Republican voters.

Third, is the Republican establishment any better at identifying “electable” candidates than Republican primary voters? Marco Rubio couldn’t win, the establishment told us. “Some [Florida] insiders whisper that Rubio expects to lose,” Real Clear Politics reported in June 2009, “but is running statewide to establish himself for a future race.”

Rand Paul wasn’t electable, the Karl Roves told us. Rove wrote in the Wall Street Journal that Paul’s 2010 Kentucky race caused “squeamishness” among worried insiders. Now both Rubio and Paul are suggested as possible candidates for president in 2016. In fact, Ronald Reagan was unelectable, according to GOP elites in 1980.

What’s going on here? In 2010, O’Donnell won 40 percent of the vote for Delaware’s U.S. Senate seat. In 2012, Mitt Romney, the most establishment candidate in decades, won the exact same amount of the Delaware vote for president. Romney enjoyed a united party hungry for victory. O’Donnell fought uphill against a harshly divided party. Exit polls show that 16 percent of Republicans voted for O’Donnell’s rival, Democrat Chris Coons, helping him win the election. Yet both Romney and O’Donnell got the same percentage of Delaware’s vote.

So are we focused on the wrong things? Maybe candidates aren’t the biggest problem. Could it be that GOP insiders really stink at running campaigns? Are insiders out of touch with the voters? Insider theories don’t seem to work in real life.

In 2008, GOP moderate, war hero and Senate veteran John McCain got about the same vote in Delaware for president as O’Donnell, who had almost no money. Moderate Delaware GOP Chairman Tom Ross declared O’Donnell unelectable. But Ross lost his own 1998 race by 27.2 percent to 72.8 percent in moderate New Castle County.

The entire establishment enterprise assumes that GOP insiders actually know in advance who is electable and why. That key assumption deserves some closer scrutiny and deeper thought.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: americancrossroads; christineodonnell; karlrove; teaparty
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Rove’s idea of electability: GOP elites keep getting it wrong
1 posted on 02/08/2013 12:16:00 PM PST by Moseley
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To: Moseley

Putting Karl Rove aside for a moment....I think the concern among many is that in some instances.....some perfectly winnable US seats in red states were lost because the GOP nominated some loose cannons. Please GOP candidates, NEVER mention the words abortion and rape in the same sentence.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 12:21:04 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Moseley
It's good to see the GOP-e finally being honest about their contempt for conservatives ... maybe now the latter will stop drinking the former's Kool-Aid every election cycle.
3 posted on 02/08/2013 12:22:08 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Moseley
Great article.

I and a few others were making these points on another thread the other day.

Key point take home message:

Insider theories don’t seem to work in real life

Made it big to make it clear.

Next question is: do the insider/elite know their theories don't work?

I think they must because it is so easy to assess -- Mitt Romney being the best test case.

So they are using this argument essentially as a subterfuge for retaining as much control and power as they can.

4 posted on 02/08/2013 12:24:08 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Please GOP candidates, NEVER mention the words abortion and rape in the same sentence.

If asked, they need to have an answer - one that doesn't involve ill-informed theories about uteruses magically 'shutting down.'

5 posted on 02/08/2013 12:24:32 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Even more perfectly electable seats were lost because we had a loser at the top of the ticket.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 12:25:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Maybe so....but Romney easily carried IN and MO so the GOP US Senate candidates in those states must have been exceptionally weak.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 12:39:41 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
some perfectly winnable US seats in red states were lost because the GOP nominated some loose cannons.

Are you SURE that's the reason? If the Party is attacking their own nominee, why should voters vote for that nominee? Are you sure it's the loose cannons or the Party establishment firing artillery on their own troops?
8 posted on 02/08/2013 12:42:44 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Are you ALWAYS this Clueless or do you work at it? The WORTHLESS GOP-e BACKSTABBED EVERYONE of their Non-Hand picked candidates. Missouri, Indiana WERE VERY Winnable. Delaware on the other hand was(and still is) a LOST cause(too Blue, too STUPID)!


9 posted on 02/08/2013 12:46:50 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Moseley

Initially I thought Mourdock was vastly preferable to the decrepit Lugar.....then Mourdock put his foot in his mouth handing the seat over to the Democrats. Missouri is even more inexplicable. Sarah Palin and many conservatives supported an attractive candidate, the former state treasurer Sarah Stedman, but it looks like the Dems played games in the primary crossing over to vote for the weakest of GOP candidates assuring the re-election of the highly vulnerable Claire McCaskill.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 12:48:59 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Moseley

Politics is war. Democrats and their acolytes in the media, educational, and labor establishments are great at one thing: DEMONIZING Republicans. We need to fight fire with fire and DEMONIZE Democrats. Milquetoast Republican candidates who think they can win by being more reasonable and having better policy positions are laughably naïve.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 12:51:39 PM PST by vekzen
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To: Moseley

Politics is war. Democrats and their acolytes in the media, educational, and labor establishments are great at one thing: DEMONIZING Republicans. We need to fight fire with fire and DEMONIZE Democrats. Milquetoast Republican candidates who think they can win by being more reasonable and having better policy positions are laughably naïve.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 12:51:49 PM PST by vekzen
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To: Moseley

Elections are strange events sometimes for reasons we can’t really pin down. I’m not going to look up the numbers but Romney got more votes across the CD 18 race than did West. That I don’t understand even with the CD district lines being redrawn.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 12:57:02 PM PST by deport
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To: muawiyah
Even more perfectly electable seats were lost because we had a loser at the top of the ticket.

i.e. Rove faves: Connie Mack IV; Denny Rehberg; Heather Wilson; Rick Berg; George Allen; Tommy Thompson ...

14 posted on 02/08/2013 12:57:27 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
The Senate candidate for the Democrats in Indiana got out more Democrats to vote for him than the Republican candidate did Republicans.

if you bothered watching the main debate between Lugar and the new guy back in the primaries you'd found they were not far apart at all on any issues ~ still, you'd had to agreed that Lugar was a drooler. I am pretty sure he'd lost this time too.

Vance Hartke once won the race for Senate while Republicans won every other office on the ticket.

That's how evenly divided Indiana elections can be.

In Missouri neither of the TEA Party backed Conservative candidates won the primary. Instead, the fellow the Democrats ran campaign advertising for won.

Rence Preibus, faced with a dilemma ~ to support a Conservative, or give up the race, gave up the race.

I don't think Consevatism was the problem, but we are not yet rid of Rence ~ and he's long overdue or a departure from party affairs.

15 posted on 02/08/2013 1:01:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t about the rest of you, but I would like to start winning elections again. How we lost US senate seats in IN, MO, MT, and ND-—ALL states Romney easily carried is totally beyond me. Yes I want conservatives, true conservatives who believe in traditional Republican principles likes fiscal resonsibility, limited government, lower taxes, pro-business, and policies fostering economic growth and energy independence. But we need to nominate responsible conservatives who can articulate these policies and attract people to the cause rather nominating people who seem to go out of their way to alienate people and turn people off.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 1:02:05 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Moseley
A very telling point can be made by contrasting the Tea Parties' victory, in 2010, with the Republican Disaster, engineered by the analytically dysfunctional Karl Rove, in 2006!

Rove is all about memorizing old data. He has no clue as to how to actually change people's attitudes & perceptions on issues. Hence he has Republican candidates chasing after Leftist voters, rather than even trying to ween Leftist voters--many of whom are simply misled innocents--away from failed policies.

The kindest thing one can say about Karl Rove is that he is incompetent.

William Flax

17 posted on 02/08/2013 1:04:08 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Moseley; ntnychik; potlatch; onyx
Steve King announced on WHO Des Moines 1040AM last night Karl Rove is targeting him.

Harkin will not run next year.

Harkin of "heap o' dung" infamy, grinning like a hyena with Daniel Ortega and Kerry who served North Vietnam.

Karl Rove who bashed Sarah Palin and let Bush's poll numbers tank.

Karl Rove who saddled us with unspeakable losers McCain and Romney.

Steve King presents on every issue as the principled conservative: fiscal, social, defense.

Second Amendment, sanctity of life, border, you name it.

Rove's idea of a good time is John Boehner caving like a spelunker.

I can't see Rove and Boehner welding on their Cat in an Iowa field--

--yet they do seem to produce considerable manure.


KARL ROVE BUS TOUR OF DEMOCRAT MONOPOLY

18 posted on 02/08/2013 1:13:40 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I don’t about the rest of you, but I would like to start winning elections again.” It’s EASY DO NOT Let GOP-e run things and we will.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 1:13:57 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Moseley

n the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Karl Rove’s idea of electability: GOP elites keep getting it wrong, Moseley wrote:
“some perfectly winnable US seats in red states were lost because the GOP nominated some loose cannons.

Are you SURE that’s the reason? If the Party is attacking their own nominee, why should voters vote for that nominee? Are you sure it’s the loose cannons or the Party establishment firing artillery on their own troops?”

Glad you posted that because it is right on the money. The worst example was the Aikin response.

But the way that could have been handled is Aikin clearing the air by Aikin continuing “ My personal beliefs of what God permits on this subject will never come up with any legislation that will pass my desk if elected. At least I profess a belief there is God who issued the ten comandments one of which is “Thou shalt not steal” another is “bear false wittness” . I also believe being elected to office does not give one a license to steal. The democrats booed Gods name at their convention.....etc etc...

Rove talk show supporters all jumped on Aikin
One of the worst was Cunningham who by the way was surprized and didn’t know he was dumped from WLS.. If he read his reports from his syndicator he’d have been aware

Now back to Mr Rove
First of all guys like Rove and others ignored the mechanics of basic campaigning. They allowed the M.ainline S.ocialist M.edia drive the issues and are still doing so they learned nothing from their disasters.I find it inexcuseable for Rove to allow his boss GWB get continuosly trashed without responding.

These people I call them GOPES because it rhymes with dopes right now are falling into the same trap. Limbaugh and Levin, God bless them ...realize that what Limbaugh calls the LIV’s (low intelligence voters) actually believe that Obama is offering the proverbial “olive branch” to Republicans when actually he is proceeding on his path to complete socialism. AND THEY CAN’T CALL HIM A LIAR .

This administration came up with a policy on energy which had driven up the cost on everything. It was on the tongue of every black, white. yellow,and brown skined person living in the US....IT WENT UNTOUCHED in the 2012 campaign....WORSE YET IT IS STILL GOING UNCHALLANGED

Now the GOPES are buying into the “demographic” argument offered by the MSM. Here you have an issue staring at them straight in the face affecting every man,woman,and child of every skin color and you can’t bring it up and they talk about “demographics” being pushed by the socialist media .

They should be decrying the philosphy of “demographics” by stating they’re Americans first not Afro-Americans. not Hispanic-Americans and not-Asian-Americans, or “White”-Americans. The counter charge should be these are socialist tactics neing pushed by the hypenated Demo-coms. Democrats in socialist/fascist clothing. Let alone not mention the booing of God’s name during their convention then belittle those Republicans who express a religious conviction even to the point of suggesting that those that do shouldn’t run for political office.

Rove and his RINOS are wrong for the Republicans .


20 posted on 02/08/2013 1:14:50 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname ......Ex Chi" mechanic")
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To: US Navy Vet

In all honesty, had I lived in Indiana I too would have voted for Richard Mourdock. I too was sick of the aging RINO Lugar and his constant brown nosing of Obama. That all said, Mourdock threw the election away with his intemperate comments and Donnelly ran as a conservative Democrat. In Missouri I remain convinced that Dems crossed over into the GOP primary to nominate the weakest GOP candidate possible. Sarah Palin backed Stedman would have easily defeated McCaskill.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 1:21:07 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“I don’t about the rest of you, but I would like to start winning elections again.” OK but we will not win ANYTHING with Backstabbing Little PRICKS like Rove, Shmidt, McCain, Rommney and the Bushes working to tear down REAL Conservatives.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 1:23:08 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Moseley; All

The Liberal Agenda Media loves nothing more than to demonize debate on viewpoints that are different from theirs.

The maturity level of a Liberal is that of a teenager, Ben Stein calls it “Juvenile.”

Middle-of-the-road guys like me that believe that there should be NO Federal borrowing, “selling” of US Bonds, or anything else that causes the damned Federal Government to live beyond its means, are wasting our time reasoning with Liberals.

While the Liberals couch all of our reasoned discussions as “wedge” issues that will splinter the GOP, we need to continue to focus on where WE as the GOP has gone onto the wrong track.

Let us consider that the GOP is a football team. One of the Assistant Coaches is Karl Rove. Karl’s strong suit is the Buckley Rule: “Support your team mates if : 1) They are athletes that you like, and 2.) If you think they can win the next game.”

[Note: the real Buckley Rule is: “ Support the most Conservative candidate, that can win the election. In the last election the GOP followed the Buckley Rule to the letter and chose Socialist, Father of Romney”care,” never-attack-your-opponent, wussy, Mitter-or-Mutter Romney.]

Back to GOP Football. Ass. Coach Rove picks out his choices for the O-Line, and to a man they agree that there is no sense playing any game this season because there is no way that they can win the Football Game. The Opposition has just to many bad things to say and print in their news shows and newspapers, well -— - - - it is just to hard!

The sponsors, (you and me), of this GOP Team are tired of the self-defeating Buckley Rule, and want the rule and Ass. Coach Rove sent back to the locker room where the trainers can work some sense in Rove.

Quarterback Boehner does not like some players, and has already sent 3 of them to warm up the bench. Q. Boehner is driven to tears fearing that Middle Line Backer Reid knows all of Boehner’s passing routes. Reid’s team does not play fair! Boo-hoo!

Earlier this year in the Sequester Bowl, Q. Boehner clutched up and called to many time outs that his team had negative yardage due to delay of game penalties.

Quarterback Boehner is still convinced that the upcoming Debt Ceiling Superbowl cannot be won due to statements of smug victory in the Puppet Liberal Agenda Media by Coach Obama and Middle Line Backer Reid.

Quarterback Boehner is considering polling the solid RINOs on his team to find out whether or not they can beat Reid and Obama.

Right now it looks like the RINO team members are leaning toward postponing the Debt Ceiling Superbowl until Reid and Obama start to say nice things about them.

Coach Obama’s outgoing Waterboy Timmy Geihtner, has assured his replacement that RINOs on a team make it easy to manipulate them.

Geihtner claims that all you have to do is hold a Puppet Press Conference and just say “NO!”


23 posted on 02/08/2013 1:26:28 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Moseley

Tokyo Rove is living in a 30 year old time capsule.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 1:27:21 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“In all honesty, had I lived in Indiana” you have been on this site since last Aug and we don’t know WHERE you are from. I HATE ANANOMOUS POSTERS!


25 posted on 02/08/2013 1:27:39 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Well who do you think among the GOP candidates could have done better than Romney? Ron Paul? Michelle Bachmann who barely hung onto her congressional seat, Rick Perry after those dismal debate performances? Rick Santorum who lost his own senate seat by 18 points then hightailed it out of PA to become a DC lobbyist? Newt Gingrich carrying enough baggage to sink the Titanic? Herman Cain with all of those women coming out of the woodwork? Gary Johnson? Who???????


26 posted on 02/08/2013 1:30:26 PM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Moseley

Most people are missing the whole point about Rove. Forget politics. This is about MONEY. Rove raises millions on the strength of his reputation and inside-the-beltway knowledge and then some upstart comes along and threatens to ruin everything. As Rush says “trust me on this”...this is all 100% about enabling Rove to continue to rake in millions of dollars for Crossroads GPS, not about which candidate has which stand on which issue. That’s just the means to an end.

Always “follow the money”.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 1:35:08 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Or “authentic Rape” either. The right wing religious centered voters are not the majority in this country. That portion of the voting public does not have the ability to win any election all by themselves.
Hard fact to admit, but it is the truth. They all think they should have that much voting power and some even think they do, but an analysis of the numbers show something very different. They have enough votes to be a spoiler and the proof of that is that Obama is still our president.
What they do not see is that a centralist party does not need their votes or input to win national elections. If that far right section of the Republican party wants to maintain that “spoiler” position then they will force the party to move more towards the center and make the far right religious vote irrelevant to national politics.

Neither the voting numbers or the money is on the far right any longer. This may be what Carl Rove is up to right now. People need to think some about what is going on.

28 posted on 02/08/2013 1:39:23 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

RomneyCare was the absolute worst nominee...and after the first debate, he went super soft vs the marxist.

Rubio, another Romney-RINO, continues pushing amnesty for 30 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINALS to give the ‘rats a permanent voting majority.


29 posted on 02/08/2013 1:39:35 PM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Ohioan
Rove forgot the basics ~ that you win an election by registering new voters, then getting them out to vote for your guys in the election.

He may have bought into the Romney theory that you win elections by going after undecided voters in the middle.

That hasn't happened ~ EVER! It's as silly a theory as the one the Federalists had that men of standing would elect good people to office. jefferson took the bloom off that rose with his idea of getting more than half the votes!

30 posted on 02/08/2013 1:43:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
From a distance, it looked like Akin and Mourdock wasted their chances with inarticulate and easily mocked statements. I don't know that those stumbles did in fact cost them their elections, but they certainly didn't help. They made the rookie error of thinking a general campaign is the place to promulgate new takes on controversial subjects. It is not. A general campaign is the place to get elected. Then if you want to proselytize afterword, have at it. This is the same reason Rick Santorum was not and never will be elected president. He can't shut up, and he'd rather be right than president.
31 posted on 02/08/2013 1:48:51 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
you're a RINO who believes all the Democrat arguments ~ you lost this election again, just like you lost the last one and 11 others before it.

We are tired of the merde.

32 posted on 02/08/2013 1:51:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Moseley

I just read that (according to a reagan biographer) Rove never even worked for the Reagan campaign in Texas (as he claims) he actually worked for Reagan’s his republican opponent. I think Karl has some things to clear up before he speaks for any of us.


33 posted on 02/08/2013 1:52:03 PM PST by marstegreg
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To: Moseley

The GOP treats conservatives the same way the Democrat Party treats black people, with utter contempt! The difference is conservatives are not going to vote for Republicans “just because”.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 1:52:27 PM PST by ryan71
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To: oldenuff2no
A very careful analysis of the results reveals that the old Rockefeller Republican group didn't show up again ~ and their leader used to be George Romney, Mitt's supposed baby-daddy.

All the other major Republican factions showed up in numbers as good as they had in the election McCain lost.

35 posted on 02/08/2013 1:54:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ryan71

you might have missed my little analysis the other day that shows there are about 6 million voting aged black Democrats who may be ripe for the plucking. They didn’t vote for obama!


36 posted on 02/08/2013 1:58:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Moseley
Karl Rove’s idea of electability: GOP elites keep getting it wrong

Electability is less important than preventing conservatives from winning. The GOPe would actively work to insure a Democrat win to stop genuine conservatives from winning.

37 posted on 02/08/2013 2:00:38 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: All

Dear Karl Rove,

SENATE RACES

Lets do this by the numbers shall we?

Aiken: Kristol was right, Aiken WAS NOT supported by the TP. He was the WEAKEST of the three GOP primary candidates (and got over 1 million in support from McCaskill supporters). Even then, he had a 10 pt lead before his “verbal diarrhea” comment on rape. If he had a little “Breitbart media savvy” he would of avoided the pitfalls and won comfortably against a flailing McCaskill who was just ripe for the picking.

Mourdock: Agreed, he too needed a class in “Breitbart media savvy” but what the pundits don’t tell you was that crybaby Lugar badmouthed Mourdock and told his supporters not to help in the general (sore loser alert).

ND: Berg: Simply saying “I’m the GOP candidate, vote for me” isn’t enough against an inspired (and highly organized/motivated DNC candidate). Berg lost by less than 3,000 votes. Berg’s campaign was described by local insiders as sloppy, undisciplined, and reeking of GOPe (aka: taking the base for granted). This race was begging for an upset and the DNC brought in the big guns/money to pull it off. Heitkamp struck with perfect timing to squeeze out a few extra votes in the end to win.

ME: GOP in disarray and against a popular former governor.

MA: Brown flipped the bird to the TP, went all RINO and was up against a powerful candidate. Burned bridges. GOPe

VA: George Allen, three time loser, mr. “ma-ca-ca”, uninspired campaigner, slow, methodical, dull. GOPe.

FL: Connie Mack, three-time-loser, uninspired race. GOPe. “lost in space”

OH: Josh Mandel. Deer in the headlights against the hunter. In the big leagues Josh, they play for keeps NOT for Chuck-E-Cheese tokens. OUT OF HIS LEAGUE.

MT: Three way race and the Libertarian candidate spoils the show Tester 236,123-—Rehberg 218,051-—Cox 31,892. DNC plowed a lot of money for their favorite goon Tester. GOPe Loser who left the TP ranks and joined the establishment.

WI: Tommy Thomson. Uninspired campaign. Thought that by simply announcing he would win by default. Believed his past terms as governor was all the PR he ever needed. Burned a lot of bridges in the primary. GOPe

HI: Lingle......Liberal RINO, LOST

CT: McMahon....Liberal RINO, LOST

NM: Wilson....RINO, LOST.....zzzzzzzzz

DE: Wade....RINO, Boring, Loser, RINO......this guy made COD look good.

MI: Hoekstra....RINO, Boring, Loser, GOPe

CA: Emken...WHO??? WHO??? Cannon fodder.

WV: Raese...hey WV, how’s it feeling now that Manchin is stabbing you in the back? Remember, the first cut is always the deepest. Raese????? Don’t bring a pig-sticker to a gun fight and Manchin is armed to the teeth.

RI: Hinckley? Welcome to hell Hinckley where Republicans are a rare species....and you’re next the menu.

NJ: Kyrillos. Good point, friend of Gov. Crispy Creme (aka: one trick pony). Bad point, friend of Crispy Creme. I was hoping for a fight, perhaps a few haymakers and kicks, but all I got was whimpering and bitch-slapped cries of angst. EPIC FAIL.

VT: Vermont is not a state but an extension of the Bermuda Triangle. My advice to the GOP, wall off the state and let Thunderdome commence!!!

WA: Baumgartner.....BORING!!! He was the poster boy for “phoning it in”.

MN: Bills. C’mon, “Weekend at Bernies” had a better shot. Bills is like the Buffalo Bills....maybe next year but next year never comes.

PA: Smith. This Mr. Smith won’t be going to Washington. Out of all the RINO flame outs, he made it closest but hey close only counts for horseshoes and grenades. KABOOM!!! His problem....he believed his press clippings and took that “magical surge” for granted. If he wanted a “surge” get some Viagra, it’s cheaper and more discrete.

NY: Wendy Long. Anyone? Anyone? Good person, but the GOP in this state has more important problems like who gets the first tee time at Pound Ridge or the best table at Spagos. Sacrificial lamb to the lions and o make matters worse, Gillibrand is an airhead that makes Donna Summers look good.

MD: Bongino. Another good man who lives in Maryland, known by archeologists as “Land of the Lost”. If there was a state worthy of sinking into the 9th circle of hell this is it. Unfortunately, Bongino was the last saint left behind.

NE Deb Fischer, CONSERVATIVE....Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Defeated the GOPe back candidate in the primary. WINNER

AZ Jeff Flake, CONSERVATIVE....Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Did not run away from conservatism. WINNER

TX Ted Cruz, CONSERVATIVE....Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Defeated the GOPe candidate in the primary. WINNER

The Senate was ripe for the picking for the GOP. If the candidates played it smart, practiced “Media 101” skills (may I suggest the Breitbart school of journalism) and just learned to avoid the traps (Akin, Mourdock), we could of picked up 4-7 seats.

I don’t know if 2014 will get us to 50+ and it might take a few cycles to get the Senate back....but only if the GOP learns its lessons and stops pointing its fingers at the base. Future conservative/TP candidates will have to realize that it’s a BLOOD SPORT. Mistakes that might of been survivable in the bush-leagues are game killers in the big leagues.

It’s not just about politics for Rove, IT’S ABOUT THE MONNEY. His little scam on advising candidates and ad buys gives him a nice commission.

It’s a nice little racket which would make Al Capone envious.


38 posted on 02/08/2013 2:07:59 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Please GOP candidates, NEVER mention the words abortion and rape in the same sentence.

If asked, they need to have an answer - one that doesn't involve ill-informed theories about uteruses magically 'shutting down.'

Nor theologizing about God's gifts and intentions.

39 posted on 02/08/2013 2:14:15 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: muawiyah
All the other major Republican factions showed up in numbers as good as they had in the election McCain lost.

Then the simple truth is that there are a lot more votes to gain by moving further to the left than loosing those centrist votes and moving strongly to the right. The God vote will never elect another president. Way to many people in the center will not side with that faction. This is not a right or wrong judgment just pure numbers. If what you say is true then it proves that the numbers are not there on the right to elect a president without the substantial support of many more moderates. There are simply many more voters who are someplace in the middle than either far right or far left. I believe that the far right caused Romney to loose. They were so busy trying to nail him to a cross because he didn't sit behind them in their church and say their own version of God words that they tore him up publicly and then sat this election out. They were the spoiler. No doubt they can do that as the party sits now. It looks like Rove is trying to change that to me and I believe he will get it done.

I stated that the far right would cost Romney the election way before last Nov. I stated clearly and repeatedly, on this board, that those on the right who refused to support Romney were insuring the reelection of Obama. I said it to the point of being threatened with being kicked off of this board and I was totally and completely correct.

40 posted on 02/08/2013 2:34:26 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Graewoulf

GOP Football Ass. Coach Rove was just on Hannity defending his GOPe associations and defended it by using the Akin defense where GOPe had decided more or less on another candidate, yet they still gave 40,000 to Todd Akin’s campaign. GOP Football Ass. Coach Rove let everyone know that Harry Reid had paid for and developed an endorcement PACT to bolster Todd Akin on his many Conservative values through the primary campaign in order to be able to set up the most Conservative candidate to run their Demonrat in order to have extreme contrasted opposition against Akin.

After all the case of Todd Akin GOP Football Ass. Coach Rove squeezed out his righteous reasoning, he threw Rep. Steven King and others under his “extreme right wing Conservative” definition without actually saying so, and then GOP Football Ass. Coach Rove told us that his want is to help candidates that can push the true conservative agenda for our country by getting them elected.

I love your football analogy because I can’t do the same. :0)


41 posted on 02/08/2013 2:54:23 PM PST by Herbster
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To: PhilDragoo

I don’t like Newt being portrayed in that same bus.
However, it may just be my personal feelings.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 2:56:30 PM PST by Herbster
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Couldn’t have done WORSE!


43 posted on 02/08/2013 3:03:24 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Herbster

I think Congressman King has some problems with ‘foot in mouth disease’ similar, if not worse, than Aiken. Let’s look at his record of kooky statements

1. Women who have been legitimately raped or victims of incest don’t get pregnant because their reproductive system rejects the sperm.

(Forget about science, does anyone want this as the face of the Party? I don’t care if he can get elected in some corn patch district in Iowa. This ultimately reflects badly on all of us nationwide with all women)

2. Mexicans who come to America are like pet dogs. You want the pick of the litter. And border fences should be electrified, that’s how you control livestock.

(All Mexican-Americans will rightfully infer that he is a full-blown racist. I don’t care if he is but don’t put me or my party behind that Aryan Brotherhood kind of thinking.)

Just because someone is a reliable vote on most conservative issues, we don’t have to support him if he’s an idiot or a bigot.

I see most Tea Party folks as intelligent middle class, patriotic Americans. Surely we can find a better candidate among these folks and our obligation is to find them. If not, then many decent Republicans will defect or simply not vote. King isn’t my idea of the ‘pick of the litter’ to use his own standard.

And it isn’t ignoble or backstabbing or RINO to point this out.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 3:23:00 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Moseley

Lying scum, fake Indians that have robbed the government of millions are much more electable, at least the democrats don’t have any trouble electing them.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 3:30:49 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: oldenuff2no
In American politics ideological considerations are spread out over a bi-modal saddle ~ and involve thousands of factions. The left/right doctrine simply doesn't apply.

There are 90 million adults who have not registered to vote. That's where you need to go looking for the natural Republicans or Conservatives ~ and get them registered and get them to vote.

There's no repository of leftwing voters to be had.

46 posted on 02/08/2013 4:11:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: wildbill
You are aware that Mexicans are white folks ~ they actually had the United Nations vote on that way back when.

Only racists think Mexicans are not white people.

47 posted on 02/08/2013 4:15:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: wildbill
I think Congressman King has some problems with ‘foot in mouth disease’

Same as President George Bush, right?


48 posted on 02/08/2013 4:49:38 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
then Mourdock put his foot in his mouth handing the seat over to the Democrats.

'SPLAIN this to us: Obama puts his foot in his mouth all the time. Yet he got re-elected.

Obama declared that the Constitution is "twenty centuries" (2,000 years) old.

Obama said he had campaigned in 57 States and was hoping to visit the other 2.

Obama declared war on piracy.

Obama turned into a blithering idiot at one campaign event.

WHY is that not relevant to his election?

ANSWER: Because his Party did not immediately attack him for it. His Party closed ranks behind him. The GOP attacks their own.

It wasn't the slip of the tongue that hurt. It was the GOP establishment attacking and saying he is unelectable that is the problem.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 4:56:56 PM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Moseley

Karl Rove is like Todd Akin. He said what he said and it doesn’t matter what he meant. The horse is out of the barn. The war is on.


50 posted on 02/08/2013 5:10:41 PM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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