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various and youtube ^ | February 8, 2013 | knarf, various youtube

Posted on 02/08/2013 8:28:52 AM PST by knarf

I looked and saw no crazy threads disbelieving Sandyhook


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Rummaging around youtube I found this

I'd pretty much passed by Sandyhook without trying to get into it, sufficient for me was the occasional comment that it was a hoax, but I found this video and wondered

first;

who is in a helicopter, apparently unnoticed hovering around taking very HD video?

How plausable IS Sandyhook being a hoax?

1 posted on 02/08/2013 8:28:58 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf

Apparently and you may want to change this out of news/activism and put it in chat/general or blogs.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 8:31:07 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: knarf

I’m gonna report you just for bringing it up!

;-)


3 posted on 02/08/2013 8:31:27 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: knarf

There are so many hoaxes going around regarding Sandy Hook it is pretty pitiful. People seem to be losing all rational thinking and discernment.

Here is a decent article. Every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory debunked. http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/?source=newsletter

(at least every at the time of writing of that article, it seems new ones pop up every day).

Seriously, I think we need to start putting Thorazine in the water.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 8:31:58 AM PST by mnehring
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To: knarf

I’ve seen plenty of crazy Sandyhook threads. Or at least conspiracy theorists on normal threads. Maybe they’ve been scrubbed, I don’t know.

Most of the conspiracy theories revolve around a possible cover-up of what guns were used. Which isn’t the craziest.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 8:32:03 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: svcw
I thought about that, and decided it was news and not activism worthy

coin toss

6 posted on 02/08/2013 8:32:55 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Tublecane

Well they can post but will be roundly put down. Free speech works both ways ya know.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 8:33:14 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

Private property is also a great thing. If the PTBs here don’t want nutjob conspiracy theory websites and sources like Alex Jones, good on them, it is their private property.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 8:34:28 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Tublecane
The video I posted the link to doesn't even approach guns or politics ... just the "fact" that the "scene(s)" don't match the story.

The voice over is frighteningly plausable.

9 posted on 02/08/2013 8:35:29 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

The only legit thing that I’ve seen is the CNN tape of cops running in a different school while CNN was claiming its Sandy Hook and Adam Lanza’s date of death being recorded as the day before.

Other than that, stuff really can’t be proven. Also that fact that NO ONE took a phone video of ANYTHING is a little weird.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 8:39:06 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: knarf

Conspiracy, no.

Confusion in the early reporting, yes.

Opportunism on Obama’s part—of course!

The press taking Obama’s line on the reporting, and concealing any small facts—like one of the fathers of a murdered child standing up for gun rights—yes.

Just what they always do. No conspiracy needed.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 8:40:50 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Confusion in the early reporting, yes.

That's been the biggest problem. People confuse media incompetence with conspiracy. It is like the report of an 'AR' pulled from the trunk of his car which was obviously a shotgun (and later confirmed by the police to be a shotgun). Even this week I've seen people here reference this saying he didn't have the AR with him it was in his trunk.

13 posted on 02/08/2013 8:42:56 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Cicero
Did you watch that video I posted ?

I bought into what you just said ... until I saw that

14 posted on 02/08/2013 8:43:35 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Only welcome if the disbeliever believes fire doesn’t melt steel.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 8:47:46 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: mnehring
Seriously, I think we need to start putting Thorazine in the water.

But that might negatively react and destroy the fluoride they put in the water to control us.........

16 posted on 02/08/2013 8:49:56 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: knarf

Why haven’t any posts on this thread been removed by moderator yet? And no zots, or even warnings? I find that a little suspicious, don’t you?


17 posted on 02/08/2013 8:51:19 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Actually .. I DID figure that if this was interpreted as a lunatic thread, it WOULD be pulled ... and that would answer the question of the title.

As I've said .. I stumbled on a video and it captured my rational curiosity.

18 posted on 02/08/2013 8:54:34 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: BykrBayb

Obviously the lack of moderation on this thread prove the mods are part of the conspiracy on this topic by not moderating comments on this topic... or something like that.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 8:54:34 AM PST by mnehring
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To: struggle

There are A LOT of weird things about this story.
A LOT.

I still can’t figure out why Nurse Cox would say the gunman was a son of a kindergarten teacher that she knew well.

That would have had to have been Vollmer whose son works for Bloomberg. No other kindergarten teacher seems to fit.

I think her comment is why the news media initially thought Nancy Lanza worked for the school.

Many here don’t know that the Sandy Hook reference in the Batman movie may have been because the propmaster was from Newtown. His wife thinks he was murdered. Not in reference to the shooting but because of her tangle with the politicians.

Also, that town was once known for making hats. They subcontracted out the work to people who then dumped the chemicals in the ground. You know the “Mad as a Hatter” phrase.

The town has all kinds of secrets.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 8:54:34 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: knarf

No, they are not banned. I have expressed my own doubts and arguments. I don’t go as far as believing the Obama administration orchestrated the whole thing, but I am not buying the official narrative either. I am convinced the murders took place... not convinced Lanza was the only one involved and not convinced the sole weapon was an “assault” rifle. I think there was a larger conspiracy involved and the town is covering it up for whatever reason... or perhaps they will release the details when the “investigation” is over.

I don’t think the feds had anything to do with it other than they had their ducks in a row and a choreographed response waiting for the next mass shooting to go after guns. There might be some evil in the administation, but there are too many good people that work for the government (I am a contractor) for this to be a vast conspiracy that reaches so far.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 8:59:30 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: RummyChick
The last few minutes of the video I posted shows an overhead shot of the community and another school nearby loaded with cars in the parking lot and Sand Hook not too far away ... empty parking lot

A point brought out in the first part of the video is that this was just before Christmas and for an elementary school ... it was surprisingly empty of window decorations

What elementary school does NOT decorate its windows for ANY holiday?

22 posted on 02/08/2013 9:00:19 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf; struggle
I watched that video. What is it supposed to show??

He shows 5 minutes of aerial video when there is no action and you are foolish enough to believe that the 5 minute period is representative of the whole morning.

He's the hoax and he's hoaxing you.

He claims that there were no interviews. Who is he kidding -- there were interviews all morning long.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 9:01:02 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: knarf

For those of us who spent upwards of 20 hours looking at official and news reports.... i say again... NOTHING makes sense. NOTHING adds up.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 9:04:49 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Uncle Chip
It shows just what it shows ... a bunch of people going in one door, out another, back and around and milling about .... all on a day that has captured the attention of America in a manner ala 9/11.

A fireman taped off a few vehicles ... why? There were no abulances bringing anyone in ... no crime scene ... but the police tape came out ... why?

Who's in the chopper and why does no one HEAR nor SEE it ?

EXCELLENT lenses and steady-cam footage in my opinion.

25 posted on 02/08/2013 9:05:50 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: wolfman23601
"There might be some evil in the administation, but there are too many good people that work for the government (I am a contractor) for this to be a vast conspiracy that reaches so far."

All it takes is a few.

People forget about MK Ultra. To that end, you have to figure out whether Clinton's enemy William Cooper was just a nut job , or a nut job who had a basis for this:



I don't have enough info to form an opinion

26 posted on 02/08/2013 9:06:15 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: knarf
The only thing about Sandyhook that bothers me is that Obama a d the gun haters are using it to destroy our Second Amendment.

All the talked about anti‑gun legislation infringes on our constitutional Second Amendment rights and, if enacted, would do nothing to stop mass murderers and the violence in our larger cities.

Honest, good citizens using firearms for self defense or defense of others in danger stop illegal gun violence, not cause such violence. Bad and mentally disturbed mass murderers look for places where helpless innocents gather and then do killing to get some sick notoriety. Gun type or magazine capacity won't slow these beasts. The CT school shooter had 10+ minutes before police came in. If he only had two old Colt revolvers and a pocket full of cartridges, he would have shot just as many.

Criminals ignore laws, that's why we call them criminals. If drug gang can bring in tons of weed and mega kilos of cocaine, they will also import firearms to protect their turf. Gun registration or restrictions only hit honest citizens, not criminals.

We already have enough gun restrictions, no more are needed. Folks down by the border and we in Milwaukee know the ATF promotes gun running and straw buyers, not stops it.

27 posted on 02/08/2013 9:06:29 AM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Donnafrflorida

You are wasting your time with Uncle Chip. He maintains that the first LEOs on the scene with an active shooter shooting up a school committing mass murder would neatly park their car in a parking lot in a line with the rest of the cars.]

There is something else odd about those cars. Notice how almost all of them are backed into their space. Unlike a normal day scene on a Google Map.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 9:10:57 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: knarf
who is in a helicopter,

I can't believe it was taken in a helicopter. At that distance, any variance in it's position would drastically change the viewing angle of the grounds and I don't think a helicopter can remain motionless that long.

I suspect the camera is mounted on a tower but how did the guy hosting the video get the footage?

Which brings up a question I have. How could an entire town participate in an alleged hoax of this magnitude without someone coming forward and blowing the whistle on it?

29 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:39 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: knarf

Have you seen the tape about the wardrobe change??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYc7o_wQ6wM

On the original helicopter footage the yellow shirt guy is at the beginning and the second guy is at the end.

One possible explanation for the behavior of the Yellow Shirt guy is that there was an incident involving a camera man that went on for some time.

Yellow shirt dude may have just been hanging around to see what happened.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 9:17:47 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: knarf

It shows people waiting on news as to whether their children are alive or dead. They would obviously not be able to stay put but would be trying to walk off their nervousness and uncertainty.

<>A fireman taped off a few vehicles ... why? There were no abulances bringing anyone in ... no crime scene ... but the police tape came out ... why?<>

What are you talking about??? Here —

1] Interview with one of two mothers who witnessed the 8 to 10 kids running down to the firehouse, the Lanza’s Honda with black sweatshirts strewn on the ground and all 4 doors open [indication that it had probably already been searched], the broken plate glass window at the front door, the unusual quiet just before the final gunshots rang out from inside the school, and the kids subsequently and orderly evacuating the building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptbd6qRY358

2] Video at 0:24 of the broken plate glass window at the front door of the school:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-shooting-adam-lanza-barber/index.html

3] Police dispatch with video [at 0:50] of the broken plate glass window at the front door of the school:

http://www.frequency.com/video/broken-glass-at-front-of-sandy-hook/72154872/-/5-85140

4] Police Dispatch of the Sandy Hook shooting:

http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/14/news/doc50cc0897adc1a203744261.txt?viewmode=default

5] STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

6] Details of shooting at Wikipedia with other resources and links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

7] State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with the Bushmaster

http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php

8]Marilyn Gudsnuk — real Sandy Hook eye witness. Sees 2 boys in front of fire station running from the school as 7 or 8 police cars were going in opposite direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sem3eN_z5nY


31 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Hot Tabasco

“Which brings up a question I have. How could an entire town participate in an alleged hoax of this magnitude without someone coming forward and blowing the whistle on it? “

It can’t. That doesn’t mean something weird isn’t going on.

I truly believe there are disinformation people out there that gin up some of the wildest theories. That guy from Dallas posts all kinds of wild stuff about people looking like other people that clearly don’t look like the other person. Some do look pretty similar. Like the Nick Phelps character but there still seems to be differences.

How is he able to pick some obscure random film or one clip out of dozens and dozens of episodes of a television series and hook it into people who have been interviewed on Sandy Hook or other tragedies. I don’t know. Something weird about that guy.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 9:25:17 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: knarf

“Comment #12 Removed by Moderator”

Darn; missed it.


33 posted on 02/08/2013 9:25:40 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are The 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment Is The First Human Right.)
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To: RummyChick
He maintains that the first LEOs on the scene with an active shooter shooting up a school committing mass murder would neatly park their car in a parking lot in a line with the rest of the cars.]

Unfortunately for you there is a lot of video of the school that morning showing exactly that -- but you think people here are too moronic to look at it for themselves.

34 posted on 02/08/2013 9:31:20 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: carriage_hill
Gone from my list also ... and I can't remember what it was.

I don't THINK I said anything remove worthy ... but I'm no mod

I've asctually been VERY careful what I say and how I word it because I DON'T want the thread pulled nor any comments deleted.

Maybe it's a conspiracy ?

/8^)

35 posted on 02/08/2013 9:31:57 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Sandy Hook DA cites ‘potential suspects,’ fears witness safety

Dated 2/5/13
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/342829#ixzz2KKUNz3nE


36 posted on 02/08/2013 9:33:15 AM PST by johnsmom (I must be dreaming 'cause this can't be real)
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To: knarf

You’re “Class of ‘98” and you are asking if believers of Sandy Hook conspiracies are being banned?


37 posted on 02/08/2013 9:34:33 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"Which brings up a question I have. How could an entire town participate in an alleged hoax of this magnitude without someone coming forward and blowing the whistle on it?"

Every mortgage paid off, every job secure, every financial need met ...

Stroke o'the pen, law o'the land, kind'a cool, eh ?

38 posted on 02/08/2013 9:35:13 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

This is insanity.

There is no way to “hoax” anything this big.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 9:38:14 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: knarf

video, Anderson Cooper's nose disappears

40 posted on 02/08/2013 9:40:10 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Kansas58
No one expected SS to become a scam

No one believes SS is an illegal Ponzi scam, neither.

41 posted on 02/08/2013 9:41:27 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Warm up the VICKING ZOT Kitties.

Somebody is trolling for ignorant comments.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 9:42:30 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7abGKExB36s&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7abGKExB36s


43 posted on 02/08/2013 9:42:31 AM PST by opentalk
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To: cuban leaf

I agree. Just reported this troll. No news, just trolling for ignorant comments.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 9:46:11 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Unfortunately for you there is a lot of video of the school that morning showing exactly that — but you think people here are too moronic to look at it for themselves.”

Then that footage would be a big red flag.

Are you a parent? Would you want cops who are responding to an active shooter that could shoot your kid dead to actually neatly park their car in a parking space before they raced in to try to stop the shooter?

It is preposterous.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 9:47:06 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
That doesn’t mean something weird isn’t going on.

I may have been wrong about the helicopter too....after watching the video closer, the camera does appear to be moving.

The biggest problem I see is the over abundance of inaccurate information that has been put out there by all the media outlets in an attempt to get their story read first, not that they're trying to cover anything up. Sheer laziness in my opinion....

As a side note, I don't believe this video was taken on the day of the shooting but rather it's film coverage of a disaster exercise that involved both locations that were shown..........I could be wrong but I'm in no position to defend my observation.

46 posted on 02/08/2013 9:47:18 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: opentalk

Well ... none of your links work


47 posted on 02/08/2013 9:48:16 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Focus.
You are way off topic.


48 posted on 02/08/2013 9:48:48 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: knarf
I've asctually been VERY careful what I say and how I word it because I DON'T want the thread pulled nor any comments deleted.

So you're basically trying to push Sandy Hook conspiracy nonsense without getting your posts deleted or account banned?

I am sure you know perfectly well that serious conservative sites and shows don't want anything to do with these lunatic conspiracy theories, yet you are pushing them here anyway. Why not just go to one of Alex Jones' sites? Places like InfoWars or PrisonPlanet are set up so you can post conspiracy theories and discuss them with like minded people. Why not just go there with the conspiracy stuff, and come back to FR when you want to discuss normal conservative agenda items?

49 posted on 02/08/2013 9:49:06 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: knarf

If they aren’t, they should be. It does not reflect well upon FR that this is a subject of disucssion here. Just plain lunatic!


50 posted on 02/08/2013 9:49:38 AM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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