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Top G.O.P. Donors Seek Greater Say in Senate Races (Tokyo Rove SuperPac to attack Tea Party)
NY Times ^ | 2/3/13 | JEFF ZELENY

Posted on 02/03/2013 11:18:18 AM PST by jimbo123

The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate.

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The Conservative Victory Project, which is backed by Karl Rove and his allies who built American Crossroads into the largest Republican super PAC of the 2012 election cycle, will start by intensely vetting prospective contenders for Congressional races to try to weed out candidates who are seen as too flawed to win general elections.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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Bring it on, Ms. Rove.
1 posted on 02/03/2013 11:18:23 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I do not know who I despise more, the rats of these dirt bags.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 11:23:32 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: jimbo123
"Rove Declares War on Tea Party"

Obama sends Valentine Card to Karl Rove


3 posted on 02/03/2013 11:24:14 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro

What is the point of having a senate controlled by Rinos who will just act like democrats anyway. Better these senators have their feet held to the fire knowing they will be primaried if they don’t vote in the way the people who elected them expect them to do. It is high time for a third party but we don’t need to make yet another one. There are two established parties out there, the libertarian and the constitution, they differ quite a bit from each other, but they both believe in limited government, individual responsibility and liberty. So my advice: Examine them both carefully, decide which is the best fit, and leave the GOP, it is over. And stop voting for the lesser of 2 evils, until we stop doing this, evil doing is what we are going to get!


4 posted on 02/03/2013 11:32:46 AM PST by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: Mark17

These dirt bags. They want another shot at losing an election. Next thing you know they will want to change the Republican Party logo (which DOES need changing) to a half elephant/half donkey image with a hammer and sickle implanted on its forehead. Or a pinata. Establishment Republican bastards make me sick.


5 posted on 02/03/2013 11:36:59 AM PST by Nucluside (ready)
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To: jimbo123

Fight! Make your calls, emails! And dont mince words!!!!
I make it a point to do so at least once a week from here...when I return to the States Im gonna increase my efforts!


6 posted on 02/03/2013 11:43:49 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: jimbo123
I am sure his little cheerleader's on here will also be behind him (secretly of course) the whole way.

Who needs Conservatives? A Huntsman/Bush ticket will surely get the base to the voting booth.

7 posted on 02/03/2013 11:46:23 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: jimbo123

Yeah, Senators Tommy Thompson and Connie Mack etc. can attest to the value of the establishement’s picks.


8 posted on 02/03/2013 11:48:46 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: jimbo123

Rove’s boy lost the presidential election - his next boys for these senate seats will lose, too, then his choice, Jeb Bush, will lose the 2016 presidential election. Rove gathers millions of dollars for his boys but they still lose.


9 posted on 02/03/2013 11:50:13 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: jimbo123

OK, you stupid bas72r$. You’ve already lost 2012 because you failed to bring real conservatives to your table and out to vote. I guess you think that trying to bring more RINO,s along will help your cause. ‘Ain’t gonna happen you jerk.


10 posted on 02/03/2013 11:54:15 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Nucluside
Establishment Republican bastards make me sick.

Amen brother.

11 posted on 02/03/2013 11:58:35 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: jimbo123

Tokyo Rove’s RINO Victory Project.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 12:01:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Marcella

This is just another scam by Tokyo Rove to steal even more money from GOP donors and pocket his “consulting fees” while losing.


13 posted on 02/03/2013 12:01:59 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Keeping in mind this is the NY Times, I still can't help but wonder what the true goal of such a SuperPac can be?

Karl Rove and his establishment got their perfect Presidential ideological candidate last time, a “Moderate” (truly a Liberal), and the result was the same as every time the Republican Party runs a “Moderate” nominee, a loss. Now they will continue to employ such a strategy on the Senate?

Either the Republican establishment truly likes being the minority party or they are truly blind to reality.

Question is, does the Conservative plurality continue to attempt to regain control of this Party, or do we look elsewhere?

14 posted on 02/03/2013 12:02:11 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

It’s all about Karl Rove scamming consulting fees from GOP donors. It’s not about winning for Tokyo Rove. It’s about lining his pockets with scammed dollars and screwing GOP donors.


15 posted on 02/03/2013 12:10:01 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

So this crew would prefer candidates like McCain (loser) and Romney(loser)?

How’s that working out for them...and us?


16 posted on 02/03/2013 12:15:20 PM PST by FatherFig1o155 (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.)
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If only all the legit conservatives could/would shut the spigot off to the GOP. You’d be better off flushing you money down the toilet, at least it couldn’t be used to support traitors. Unless you’re directly supporting a TP candidate, no money, no volunteering, no nothing.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 12:15:38 PM PST by Hayride
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To: jimbo123
The Conservative Victory Project, which is backed by Karl Rove and his allies

I guess that is supposed to mean victory OVER conservatives.

18 posted on 02/03/2013 12:16:14 PM PST by montag813
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To: Rational Thought
Karl Rove and his establishment got their perfect Presidential ideological candidate last time, a “Moderate” (truly a Liberal), and the result was the same as every time the Republican Party runs a “Moderate” nominee, a loss. Now they will continue to employ such a strategy on the Senate?

Lugar probably would have won in Indiana in 2012. Another candidate might have won in Missouri that year. Castle could have won in Delaware in 2012.

At the presidential level, Reagan won as a solid conservative. The other winners, Eisenhower, Nixon, the Bushes, had spottier records. Goldwater, another solid conservative, lost by a landslide.

19 posted on 02/03/2013 12:45:46 PM PST by x
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To: jimbo123

ALL you need to know:

Representative Steve King of Iowa could be an early target of the Conservative Victory Project.


20 posted on 02/03/2013 12:46:43 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: jimbo123

The GOP elites don’t want to win. They are on the same side as the far left. It’s a game of good cop, bad cop. The RINOs are the greatest enemy facing our country and should be treated as such.


21 posted on 02/03/2013 12:58:35 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: FatherFig1o155

It’s working great for them but it’s killing the country.


22 posted on 02/03/2013 1:00:18 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

I totally agree with you. They are using us to collect their cushy pay checks and have a fancy life of perks and drunken parties.

They don’t care about America. They have always been part of the problem. Rove has always been part of the problem.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 1:00:24 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: jimbo123

Why does the NY Times report this?

Voter suppression. Divide and conquer.

Alienating conservatives from the Republican coalition was decisive in gaining the Presidency for Obamunism in 2012. If they can consolidate the Supreme Court from this, they have a solid shot at strategic victory in their long march to overcome the constitutional limits on power.

When will we learn who the real enemy is?


24 posted on 02/03/2013 1:06:22 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: jimbo123

The RNC jackasses have been hounding us for money on the level attributed to telemarketers. I finally told the assholes we switched to the Rat party. Calls have subsided a bit. We will give to the Tea Party conservatives, not the RNC.


25 posted on 02/03/2013 1:06:44 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: BeauBo

Rove’s anti-conservative PAC leader gave an interview to the NY Times in this article! Didn’t you read it? Why is Rove’s SuperPac leadership courting the enemy at the NY Times?


26 posted on 02/03/2013 1:11:49 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Mark17

There is no difference. These people are rats.

What the Republicans need to do is to come together with Conservatives and have a party that can work for what is right. Instead they are working to split us apart even more.

This typ of BS will not help the republicans , but it works great for the Dems.

What we need is a new party and let these RINO Mf’ers join the Dems or become forever lost in the wilderness of RINOism.


27 posted on 02/03/2013 1:33:13 PM PST by Venturer
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To: SgtHooper
The RNC jackasses have been hounding us for money on the level attributed to telemarketers.

The last time these a$$ holes called me, I cursed that MF, and invented a few four letter words that did not exist before. He was not expecting a verbal barrage like that and whimpered he would take my name off their calling list. This was several years ago and I do not think I have ever been so angry, as I was that day.

28 posted on 02/03/2013 2:01:49 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: x
Are you saying that the key to winning elections is to move to the Left?

Put history in perspective. Since Gerald Ford, all moderate Republican nominees have lost Presidential elections.

Yes, Reagan was a solid Conservative and while one could make an argument of the Conservative credentials of Bush 43, for the most part he was far more Conservative than his dad.

As for Castle and Lugar, while I concede they likely would have won their respective elections, what if they would have won? Would they have supported a Conservative agenda or would they have acted more like the Maine twins?

If the Republican Party continues to sell out traditional Conservative values, acting like the Democrat lite party, what have we or the Country actually gained?

I submit that those who turn out to vote in such elections would rather vote for the real thing instead of an imitation, while Conservative voters will mostly just stay home (which looks to be what transpired in the 2012 Presidential Election).

29 posted on 02/03/2013 3:21:39 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: jimbo123; Jim Robinson
In effect, the establishment is taking steps to fight back against Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations that have wielded significant influence in backing candidates who ultimately lost seats to Democrats in the general election.

War it is then.

30 posted on 02/03/2013 3:44:34 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Mark17
These moneyed dirtbags ("I'm rich, thanks to great grandpa Ebenezer, therefore I know better than the unwashed non-polo playing masses") ARE Demonrats who just cannot bear to socialize with blacks and Latinos at political social events. They want babies killed in utero, especially poor babies. They want their little Brucie to be able to marry Lance. They often like to make dividends from the sale of military weapons systems but don't want them actually used in wars no matter how justified because actual war is just icky! They want guns controlled because what advantage is it to have bodyguards when peasants can obtain guns too. Etc.

In short, the GOP-E which should be driven from influencing the party. They are also in a snit over Ted Cruz schooling their beloved Dewhurst, Marco Rubio driving Charlie Hotbottom Crist from public life. They would like to see to it that none of those non-elitist Georgia Congresscritters take their Saxby's seat. If Saxby coulkd be forced to retire by the barbarians, then at least they should "compromise to elect Chartsworth Worthington 32nd to replace him. Actually, they would really like a US Senate made up of 100 Thurston J. Howell IIIs for those old enough to remember Gilligan's Island. It would make our country utterly safe for Muffy's Trust Fund.

Make these spoiled twerps DEFINE what they mean by "conservative."

31 posted on 02/03/2013 4:01:50 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: jimbo123

I’ll say this for Rove....he was right. And man, does that one hurt.

Christine O’Donnell was a lousy candidate,

So was Mourdock in Indiana, and the guy in Missouri.

They all had a bad case of “foot in mouth” disease.

Rove’s point that we need to get people who can think on their feet, have the ability to say what they mean, and are media savvy.

Somebody needs to be able to answer the “gotcha” game from the drive-by media and counter it effectively.


32 posted on 02/03/2013 4:04:14 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: BlackElk

I do indeed remember Gilligan. I am old enough to remember him when he played Maynard G Krebs. I don’t think Dobie Gillis was ever intended to make him the main character, but that is how it worked out.


33 posted on 02/03/2013 4:08:05 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: erkelly
What is the point of having a senate controlled by Rinos who will just act like democrats anyway.

The main difference between the two Big Government parties is the names of the people they want to put into office.

They both want to tell us what we can do, loot the treasury, make their friends and relatives fat on the taxpayer, and figure out ways to keep themselves in office.

The main reason some people vote for the republican party is that they sometimes seem to be slightly less objectionable than the democrats.


34 posted on 02/03/2013 4:08:11 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: jimbo123

Repeal the 17th Amendment !


35 posted on 02/03/2013 4:11:31 PM PST by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: jimbo123

The GOP-E have money and only money. Money is only a means to obtain votes. We have millions of grass roots conservatives: Pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-military, anti-tax (for folks of modest means too!), pro-God, etc. Organize the conservative groups, GOTV, win the primaries, win more general elections than has been the recent case, and the GOP-e can put their $$$$ where the sun shineth not! If they get too pesty, tax their trust funds.


36 posted on 02/03/2013 4:12:02 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Venturer
America's Party
37 posted on 02/03/2013 4:25:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (We still hold these truths to be self-evident.)
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To: jimbo123

I want more Ted Cruz type candidates, I’m sick of RINOS, what’s the point of having a two party system when they are all cut from the same cloth. It sickens me how Americans anoint politicians and they sit as if they were kings ‘till they drop dead, we need term limits, thanks Arizona for re-electing Juan McLame!


38 posted on 02/03/2013 5:41:12 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: Rational Thought
Are you saying that the key to winning elections is to move to the Left?

It's not so simple as to say "the conservative will always win" or "the moderate will always win." I think one can make a good case that those elections could have been won by more experienced and professional candidates. That might have been the incumbent (Lugar) or the heir apparent (Castle) or some more conservative candidate who was smarter and more savvy than Mourdock or Akin or O'Donnell.

Put history in perspective. Since Gerald Ford, all moderate Republican nominees have lost Presidential elections.

So that means what? Ford, Dole, McCain, Romney (though I suspect if Dole had won -- or maybe if any of them had won and done a decent job they'd be seen as honorary conservatives by now). And in the other column is Reagan. And the Bushes? Moderates or conservatives?

Let's try it a different way. In the last twenty years only one Republican has been elected President, G.W. Bush. According to the accepted statistics Republicans won a majority -- or even a plurality -- of the popular vote only once, in 2004. That suggests that any Republican, including a conservative one would probably have trouble winning in the current environment.

Okay, so Perot threw the first election to the Democrats, but lately it doesn't look like there's a hidden conservative majority out there just waiting for the most conservative candidate. Of course, if things do take a turn towards the Republicans a more conservative candidate could be elected. But it might not be because a majority was waiting for a true conservative, but rather because the whole country was so sick of the Democrats, that it would sweep a conservative candidate who otherwise wouldn't have been elected into office.

As for Castle and Lugar, while I concede they likely would have won their respective elections, what if they would have won? Would they have supported a Conservative agenda or would they have acted more like the Maine twins?

That's the big question. There are a few -- very few high-profile party swappers, like James Jeffords. Nowadays Senators usually vote with the party on the important votes. You have their vote in the all-important organizational vote at the beginning and on something like Obamacare, you get all Republicans voting together.

Lugar generally scored in the 60s or 70s in the ACU ratings. Compared to my Senators and Representatives that's actually not bad. Castle's ratings were worse. You would have had a good case to replace him with another candidate, but please, somebody who knew what they were doing.

39 posted on 02/04/2013 5:10:11 PM PST by x
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To: x
Maybe I'm wrong, but I still believe this applies today.

I'm impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, “We must broaden the base of our party” – when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.

Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?

Let our banner proclaim our belief in a free market as the greatest provider for the people.

Let us explore ways to ward off socialism, not by increasing government’s coercive power, but by increasing participation by the people in the ownership of our industrial machine.

It is time to reassert our principles and raise them to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”

Ronald Reagan

40 posted on 02/04/2013 7:22:01 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: jimbo123
Answer to Tokyo Rove's RINO/$$PAC...

SenateConservatives.com


41 posted on 02/04/2013 7:33:38 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: jimbo123

You wrote: “Didn’t you read it? Why is Rove’s SuperPac leadership courting the enemy at the NY Times?”

You were right, I had not read the article.

I am concerned about the left perpetrating a strategy to divide conservatives and republicans, because I know that they make deliberate efforts to do so - and I am still stinging badly from having to watch the disaster of Obama’s re-election unfold, largely due to successful suppression of republican turnout.

Nonetheless, in this case I believe that you are right to be concerned about Rove and his PAC - they are the ones being divisive. The more I hear about it, the more it turns my stomach.

Isn’t there some constructive work that could be found for Rove, like maybe attacking leftists, doing some party-building/coalition-building, or running an ongoing issue advocacy campaign?

I would not be surprised to find that the purpose of “advertising” in the NY Times, is to encourage donations from lefties who want to weaken their competition by promoting fratricide and mushier candidates.


42 posted on 02/05/2013 4:27:27 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

The thing about Rove is that his consulting and advertising fee gravy train is leaving the station and this is his last chance to rob his PAC donors blind. For Rove, it’s all about money, not principles.


43 posted on 02/05/2013 5:35:51 PM PST by jimbo123
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