Skip to comments.Do penalties for smokers and the obese make sense?
Posted on 01/29/2013 7:10:13 PM PST by walford
Faced with the high cost of caring for smokers and overeaters, experts say society must grapple with a blunt question: Instead of trying to penalize them and change their ways, why not just let these health sinners die prematurely from their unhealthy habits?
Annual health care costs are roughly $96 billion for smokers and $147 billion for the obese, the government says. These costs accompany sometimes heroic attempts to prolong lives, including surgery, chemotherapy and other measures.
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That is why New York Mayor Bloomberg considers himself entitled to tell people what size sodas they can drink or turn away food donated for disaster victims and the homeless.
But are ALL health-undermining behaviors going to be subject to government sanction? What about other choices such as promiscuity, substance abuse, dare-devil stupidity or risky late-term abortions?
I seriously doubt it.
When the government is the arbiter of what unhealthy behaviors are harmful to the collective, the decisions will necessarily be politicized. Politically favored groups that are over-represented with respect to unhealthy practices are going to be exempt, I promise you.
Do penalties for drinkers make sense?
Its easy to feed the alligator in the beginning but he’s greedy.
I wonder how many tax dollars are raised from smokers?
As long as you include all the unhealthy life style choices, like homosexuality, and abortion.
Hey, what about other risky lifestyles where one might get STDs?
It is a known fact that your chances of getting STDs (AIDS, etc.) increase dramatically with the number of partners and certain types of.... well you know what... increase your chances of infection.
We have all heard about how serious the AIDS epidemic is and it is easily prevented.
Lemme guess. AIDS won’t be on the “hit” list.
I thought that smokers, aside from the excessive per pack tax; also REDUCED the need for government assistance due to shortened life expectancy.
Something like $0.40 per pack.
Now, obesity is another story. That is a much slower death with special needs of medicine and equipment. Not so much a shortened life, but an expensive life. Healthy people pay.
If we’re gonna refuse medical care to smokers and the obese, then we also need to refuse medical care to women who abort as well as anybody who gets an STD. Also anybody who doesn’t wear a seatbelt, drives over the speed limit, or doesn’t attend church regularly. And people who choose to live on a fault line or near the ocean - let all of the coastal people just die when earthquakes, hurricanes, etc hit, because it was their own darn choice to live there...
Let’s just deny medical care to anybody who’s ever done anything stupid, how about?
Not too many from me. I don't buy the nasty commercial product.
But I can look up and slightly to the left at the sun-shelf where 3 flats of tobacco seeds are recently started and expected to be planted after the last frost. ;)
I will not submit. Tobacco is a plant that can grow almost anywhere.
For years private insurance companies have charged smokers higher premiums for health insurance.
I would expect the government to follow that same business model.
I smoke junk. And still pay through the nose
Smokers are penalized plenty already.
Aww johnny me lad
Tis nice to have a fellow FReeper with such a stash.
Seems a visit is reguired in the near future to learn a little
And maybe smoke a little
Sounds like Fatty needs to pay more Twinkie Tax.
Less than $5 per pack in NC for major brands such as Marlboro or Camel, less than $4 for discount brands.
How about people with genetic diseases? How far are we from Aktion T 4?
You will keep the blade sharp, and the handle smooth. You will not cut anything but weeds with it.
Sure, come visit. I can always use the labor.
I don't always act like an NCO. Sometimes I sleep. ;)
Now if yea only had a still
Something tells me yea might
The question should be: do we want to live in a free society? Apparently, a lot of people don’t.
It’s really about controlling other people’s lives, the cost excuse is pure bogus hooey. Carried to its logical extreme (and that is exactly what they intend to do), a government board of our betters would be micro managing every single aspect of our lives.
If the nanny stater’s motives were so pure, they would be limiting what all these EBT cards could buy. Ever noticed the mountains of unhealthy crap people on food stamps buy? Or the obesity level of those same people? A protected constituency.
I do make my own beer, within legal guidelines.
I would never extend a digit or two at John Law and try to get around the legal guidelines.
Honest. Really, really.
$35.00 of every carton sold in MA is tax and our
ghastly governor,Devil Patrick,wants to add another $10.00 a carton.
To add insult to injury,they tax the tax.(Sales tax)
Taken as a group, they do anyway! The author assumes medical intervention has more of an impact than it really does. Once the disease has taken root, it's a little late to start thinking about changing the 50 years of unhealthy habit that got one to that point. The intervention -- paid for by many without the habit -- might help one to live a little longer, but it's not ever going to be possible to undo all the damage.
Let us appoint a commission and evaluate all possible unhealthy lifestyle choices. You might choose to live in Tornado Alley near railroad tracks, a factory or along the Gulf of Mexico. Maybe you watch TV more than read or wear non-hypo-allergenic makeup. Maybe your exercise habits need to be monitored to determine if it is adequate. Maybe your eating bleached flour rather than whole wheat flour. Maybe you’re drinking non-organic milk or drinking from plastic bottles rather than glass.
most of the world is obese...most of the world smokes....
Stylin’ in da camp!
There's been a lot of griping about cigarettes over the years. Mash here to hear Tex Williams explain it.
Maybe you’re not eating enough cabbage or getting enough sleep. Maybe you don’t do Michelle Obama’s regular purges. Maybe you worry too much. Maybe you live with people who don’t cover their face when they sneeze. Maybe your pants are too tight or you wear high heels. Maybe the botox treatments don’t allow your eyelids to properly close, or maybe your lying is causing your eyelids to blink too much. Maybe you don’t go to the bathroom soon enough after coitus. Maybe you have coitus too frequently or too seldom. Maybe you don’t take power naps every day. Maybe you let your toenails grow too long before trimming.
For all these and many other instances of negligence or sloth - you shall die!
People dying earlier save the government money. I don’t understand their logic at all.
This is why private health care is so important. You might not like smokers, fat people, tall people, etc., but it is not the government's job to decide whether or not they should get health care. That's between them, their wallet, and their doctor.
To the best of my recollection the tax revenues from smokers far outweighs any drag they have on the system from their “unhealthy choice”. Last I heard it was at least double what the supposed health costs are...
....you are already living in a totalitarian dystopia.
Remember that in Thomas More's original "Utopia", people who didn't "get thar MAHNDS RAHT" </off Strother Martin> were simply put to death.
Tough call. I am going to have to think on this one, but first I’m gonna have a smoke then finish my triple chocolate sundae.
See Post # 35
That's right, slothful people don't deserve to live.
......What do you mean, you didn't get the memo? That's no excuse!
Furthermore, short people got no reason to live.
What, are you complaining there, cracka?
You sounding kinda uppity to me, judging your betters. Don't you make me go get a rope!
I think there was some study that found that a disproportionate number of obese women are Black. I remember an article by a professional woman who said her husband didn’t want her to lose weight. She said Black men like their women large.
I guess nobody thought about whether it would be racist to let Black women die simply because they adhere to the “Black culture”...
It is more expensive for people to live to 95 and not smoke, and get Alzheimer’s, than for smokers to die young. They are LYING if they say smokers cost more.
Sure if we penalize the underweight, those in high risk professions, those with high risk hobbies, those who use any recreational drugs, those who drink to excess (TBD), and those who have sex outside of
MONOGAMOUS HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE.
how about we let gang bangers die of GSWs right in the ER too, I mean as long as we’re singling out unhealthy lifestyles and all.
Better yet.. from today forward everyone will be issued a 500 square foot apartment with no windows so you won’t be able to hurt yourself by jumping out. We will provide you with government approved furniture so you don’t have to worry about product defects. Your food will be provided according to national health standards. Media will be provided for you so you don’t have to worry about seeing offensive material. A job will be provided at a set wage regardless of your skill so you don’t have to compete with co-workers. Health care will be free as long as you are able to contribute to our society. After useful age, a panel will determine your date of death so you have time to wrap everything up before you leave.
You can live in our world completely free from any choices. You are free to live without having to worry about making bad decisions that will destroy your life. We will care for you.
Why of course!
I would expect no less from a law abiding citizen
Someday they will wonder where all the revenue went.
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