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What did Republicans win in the immigration deal? (No guarantee on border security!!)
Washington Post ^ | Monday January 28, 2013 | Greg Sargent

Posted on 01/28/2013 11:46:05 AM PST by Bigtigermike

It’s has been widely assumed this morning by some immigration advocates (and by yours truly, too) that the new immigration reform plan’s process of citizenship for the country’s 11 million undocumented immigrants is contingent on a commission of Southwestern officials declaring the border secure.

Not true. I’ve now got clarification from Senate staff working on the bill, and it turns out that the enforcement commission’s judgments will only be advisory, and are entirely nonbinding. Congress’ actions will not be dictated by what this commission concludes; neither will actions taken by the Department of Homeland Security. The citizenship process will be triggered by other means

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But the commission isn’t, for all practical purposes, really a major concession at all. If you look at the framework released by the bipartisan group of eight Senators today, it never quite says directly that the citizenship process can’t move forward until the commission reaches its findings. Rather, it says the plan creates a commission that will make a “recommendation” on when border security has been achieved, and doesn’t specify that this recommendation is what triggers the citizenship process.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; democrats; dnctreason; establishment; gope; illegals; mccaintreason; nevertrustarino; rinos4illegals; rinotreason; rubio; stupidparty; treason
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Like 1986 all over again but with more ghastly implications and the Stupid Party willingly subjects itself to the Dems and super majorities once the once-Illegals start voting for the Dems
1 posted on 01/28/2013 11:46:13 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

The Dems (Socialists) pulled the same crap on Reagan.. Reagan granted amnesty in exchange for the Dems promising full border fence that NEVER happened. WHY is the GOP helping the Dems to grow their voter base? What a crock of chit!


2 posted on 01/28/2013 11:49:33 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Bigtigermike
We've been punked... again.

Lord help us, the GOP is beyond STUPID!

3 posted on 01/28/2013 11:51:08 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

P.S.. McCain says illegal alien incursions are down.. WTF? They’re “DOWN” because 0bama has ordered the border patrol NOT to detain them or stop them from coming in!!


4 posted on 01/28/2013 11:53:48 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Bigtigermike

Nothing but demographic gain for Dems... 11 million new voters for them, and what, exactly for Repubs?


5 posted on 01/28/2013 11:55:35 AM PST by PauldArco
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To: Bigtigermike

Why don’t they just call this the “Turn Texas into a Blue State” Act? That’s what it basically is. Twenty-five million new Democrat voters. A recipe cooked up by the ruling-class Dem/GOP-E to permanently enshrine them in power. Dilute and disenfranchise any tea-party leaning Constitutionalists that could gum up their plans.

It’s a final bullet-in-the-head for America. I particularly hope these eight traitors burn in hell for all eternity. Especially that bastard Rubio.


6 posted on 01/28/2013 11:58:30 AM PST by greene66
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To: Bigtigermike

It sounds to me like McCain just said on FNC that we need Mexican Nationals to mow our lawns, cook our meals and watch our children. Isn’t that racist? All the the biggest buffoons in the Senate are up there on the stage. One way to stop this bill is to have an amendment added to the bill saying any illegal caught voting will be immediately deported with no opportunity to come back. Ever!


7 posted on 01/28/2013 11:58:59 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: PauldArco

We need to have some t-shirts made for the GOP. I voted for immigration reform and all I got was this t-shirt..they got 11 Million new Rat voters.
Truly,, this is the end of our Republic.


8 posted on 01/28/2013 11:59:57 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: greene66

I am no fan of Rubio but why single him out? He has always been in favor of immigration reform. We all know that was code for making the illegals citizens.
I for one never understood the fascination with him. Including him is supposed to make it more palatable to the base.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 12:01:39 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I don’t care what the hell kind of deal these few Senators have come to. My demand to my Senators and Congressman is NO DEAL, PERIOD.

I don’t care if Rubio, Ryan -who the hell ever signs on because ‘we have to get the Hispanic base blah blah blah, puke!’

I’ll have none of it. These uneducated, criminal invaders have no business being here, we don’t need them, they harm us immeasurably....Democrats want them because they want their certain votes. Misguided appeasing Republicans (Rubio included) want them because they think legal Hispanics will ‘like’ us then. Bullshit! We have enough ‘legal’ immigration already. We don’t need 50 million more illegals to suddenly turn up to “get in line” with some token slap on the wrist.

We either a nation of laws and assimilated citizens or not. And, if you’re a Hispanic out there that is intrinsically hispanic-biased and thinks “let’s give them a chance because we share a culture together”, then you have another think coming.

These criminals, these uneducated, ignorant peasants who’ll go to the first public aid office they can find when they’re ‘legal’ will BREAK you, break your wallet, kill your family in a drunk driving accident, rape your wife/daughter when drunk, steal the food out of your childrens’ mouths, and spread some heretofore extinct disease to them through their children in your mostly hispanic kindergarten/Pre-K where the government pays for the babysitting.

Wake the hell up!


10 posted on 01/28/2013 12:02:04 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Bigtigermike

What did Republicans win in the immigration deal?

An agreement to stop saying nasty things about them anyplace but on Univision.


11 posted on 01/28/2013 12:06:08 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: FlingWingFlyer

and their childrens children children.


12 posted on 01/28/2013 12:06:38 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Bigtigermike

Remember when we started to build a fence, then Kay Bailey Hutchison quietly pulled the funding. No republican senator is to be trusted.

Rubio is to be on Rush tomorrow. He’s being groomed to be the 2016 nominee a la McCain. His conservatism will be watered down to placate the moderate to liberal establishment and any potential rival (Paul) will be openly demonized.


13 posted on 01/28/2013 12:09:38 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: Bigtigermike
Juan and Linda get to live happily gayly ever after.
14 posted on 01/28/2013 12:10:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Bigtigermike
This is a picture of Republican Compromise!


15 posted on 01/28/2013 12:10:56 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Bigtigermike

As usual, they gave the farm(USA) away.


16 posted on 01/28/2013 12:14:37 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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17 posted on 01/28/2013 12:17:14 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: wiggen

Oh, I’ve long been wary of Rubio. Happy when he beat out the loathesome Crist for the nomination, and had some initial hopes for him. But after winning, there were lots of subtle, tell-tale signs in the way he immediately began distancing himself from the tea-party and cozied up to the establishment hacks. Not to mention his stumbling, cowardly reaction when asked about Brewer’s AZ law.


18 posted on 01/28/2013 12:17:26 PM PST by greene66
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To: Bigtigermike

It sounds like Rubio and the GOP are putting their foot down if you do a full read with the update. The fight is not over by a long shot.


19 posted on 01/28/2013 12:17:34 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: wiggen

“I am no fan of Rubio but why single him out?”

Because everyone knows Graham and McCain are RINOs but there are plenty of people who are under the false impression that Rubio is not.


20 posted on 01/28/2013 12:18:14 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Hes never said anything but immigration reform. Not once.
Better than Crist but not exactly a conservative inspiration.


22 posted on 01/28/2013 12:23:33 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Rubio believes in 99% of this bill. He might come out on this just to keep his 2016 aspirations alive somehow but the devil is in the details and he might back down in the end because he wants amnesty and he doesn’t want thi chance to blowup on one particular item


23 posted on 01/28/2013 12:27:34 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: wiggen

This is ground hog day. McAmnesty lost the election because of this junk. Lindsey Gramnesty is doing it again. NO AMNESTY!!! ZIP AZERO NUNCA. Get these illegals out the same way they came in— ARREST THE EMPLOYERS!!! No jobs — they leave!! We have 14% real unemployment and we are going to take 20 million more welfare recipients that can’t read or even speak English? No BUENO!!


24 posted on 01/28/2013 12:32:36 PM PST by willardwx
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To: wiggen

Yes, and despite that, some “conservatives” just don’t seem to hear him everytime he talks about it. Maybe they’re hypnotized by his boyish looks or something.


25 posted on 01/28/2013 12:41:33 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Bigtigermike
What did Republicans win in the immigration deal? (No guarantee on border security!!)

No guarantee of avoiding a repeat of the huge mistakes of 1986.
Without that, it is just another eventual 'RAT victory.

26 posted on 01/28/2013 12:44:07 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: TexasCajun
The framework calls for an increase in the number of unmanned aerial vehicles, surveillance equipment, agents, and other measures designed to increase border security. The legislation will lay out specific targets as to how much border security needs to be increased by DHS...This drek printed a day after reading that the aerostat (blimp) sensors are immediately being removed from the border and their sites dismantled.

My guess is that five years from now (under Obama III) they'll restore a couple of them and announce that the border has been sufficiently reinforced.

27 posted on 01/28/2013 12:48:39 PM PST by norton
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To: Bigtigermike

Isn’t it? We got gun control and we got amnesty. We got Iran causing problems. Have the air traffic controllers decided to strike yet?


28 posted on 01/28/2013 12:51:51 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

” WHY is the GOP helping the Dems to grow their voter base? What a crock of chit!”

Because the RINOS get cheap labor for their buddies companies?


29 posted on 01/28/2013 1:03:22 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: TexasCajun

The “virtual fence” !

(virtually useless)


30 posted on 01/28/2013 1:05:31 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Bigtigermike

the RATS did it again.....without Ted Kennedy....


31 posted on 01/28/2013 1:11:20 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: greene66

Texas and Arizona should secede. What is our government doing right now? Here’s what: a) Disarm Americans, b) Empower foreign invaders. Hmmmmm.. It couldn’t be more obvious, could it?


32 posted on 01/28/2013 1:11:58 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“McCain says illegal alien incursions are down”

What a moron this guy is...Got a call from one of the ranch managers that we run on down south wanting to know when we were coming back down because they were being over run.

I asked why, BP would not pick them up if we got them shutdown and even if they did pick them up they would just release them. Why should we risk being thrown in jail and waste our time and money.

This country is done for. Stick a fork in it baby...


33 posted on 01/28/2013 1:18:28 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
CONFIRMED: Feds Ordered Not to Arrest Illegals Coming From Mexico
34 posted on 01/28/2013 1:21:58 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: eartick

I believe a couple of agents are SUING the gov’t because 0bama’s ‘memo’ or order for them not to detain illegals is ILLEGAL. So far, the courts have ruled that the BP agents may proceed with their lawsuit..


35 posted on 01/28/2013 1:30:56 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Timber Rattler
Agents sue gov't:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/23/immigration-agents-sue-stop-obamas-non-deportation/?page=all

I think there is a FR thread where the court RECENTLY ruled that the agent's lawsuit may proceed but I can't find the thread.

36 posted on 01/28/2013 1:37:52 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: wiggen

I agree. Its much worse than just mccain and rubio. Are there any pubs fighting this crock? Gun control, illegal immigration and higher taxes in just a few months? I guess they want to rush this stuff through so they can then move on and consume even more of the Constitution. They are like locusts!


37 posted on 01/28/2013 1:49:56 PM PST by plain talk
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To: PauldArco

Eleven million is just the start. Thanks to extended family chain migration, those millions will sponsor and import many millions more. It’s insanity for the GOP, plain and simple

If the GOP is determined to surrender to the idea that illegals must be given a path to citizenship, then why not at least try and fight to get some conservative immigration reform included as part of the deal?

Why not try to abolish the absurd Diversity Lottery Visas? This stands with David Souter as Bush I’s biggest mistake, but he probably doesn’t see it that way since the Bushies are all worthless on immigration. In addition to directly adding 50,000 legal immigrants per year, this absurd program sets off new channels for chain migration from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Which is another way of saying that it sets off new chanels of future Democrat immigration.

Why not try to limit family-based immigration to spouses and minor dependent children, thus stopping unending chains?

Why not restrict Refugee settlements and/or at least make settlements get the approval of elected representatives that represent the areas the refugees are to be deposited on. That way you’d have no hypocrites like former Senator Brownback of Kansas who was all gung ho about refugees...so long as they weren’t settled in Kansas that is.

Why not acknoledge the ever growing collision between immigration policy and affirmative action, and try to end racial preferences in all federal programs?

I mean, why not at least try?


38 posted on 01/28/2013 1:56:54 PM PST by Aetius
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To: Bigtigermike

hey, the illegals are going to pay $$$Billions in back taxes!!

happy days are here again!!!!!!!!!!!!


39 posted on 01/28/2013 1:59:27 PM PST by utax
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To: Bigtigermike

Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’ If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now?” . “Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.”


40 posted on 01/28/2013 2:27:39 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Bigtigermike

Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’ If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now?” . “Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.”


41 posted on 01/28/2013 2:27:39 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Bigtigermike

Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’ If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now?” . “Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.”
Written in 2007


42 posted on 01/28/2013 2:27:53 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Bigtigermike

Menendez wants to make it easier for underage prostitutes to enter the United States. Less travel for him.


43 posted on 01/28/2013 2:46:39 PM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Bigtigermike

The Republicans are neither stupid nor cowardly. They know exactly what they are doing. They want to flood this country with illegal aliens from the Third World just as much as the Democrats. El Presidente Bush could have sealed the border after 9/11 but decided to open the flood gates. Even the lowliest CONgressional Republicans doesn’t care if they lose their seats in the process. They are already set for life with their pension and health care paid for by the taxpayers and God known how much loot they have tucked away in Switzerland. The Democrats and Republicans are bought and paid for by the same crowd.


44 posted on 01/28/2013 2:47:07 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Bought and paid for by WHAT crowd? Specifically who?


45 posted on 01/28/2013 3:28:08 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Conservatives in America are going to have to do exactly what we did in 2007 and melt the District of Corruption switchboard when the vote comes up. PASS THIS AND THERE IS NO POSSIBLE RETREAT FOR AMERICA, NONE.
46 posted on 01/28/2013 5:41:56 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Aetius

Why not a true reading of the 14th in WHOLE? You know, the part that says “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”?

No, we are easily in a Banana Republic now; I suspect a police state would be the next step.

Our own side selling us out, nobody follows the Constitution, and selective enforcement of any laws they do wish to follow.


47 posted on 01/28/2013 6:23:45 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: PauldArco
Nothing but demographic gain for Dems... 11 million new voters for them, and what, exactly for Repubs?

I'd say it is unbelievable, but it is totally believable that Republicans in Congress will compromise American interests in a NY minute.

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48 posted on 01/28/2013 6:30:25 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I knew all along Marco Rubio was a phony up to no good.


49 posted on 01/28/2013 6:38:20 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Bigtigermike

“What did Republicans win in the immigration deal?”

Did anyone really expect them to “win” anything?

C’mon..... did you?


50 posted on 01/28/2013 8:04:36 PM PST by Road Glide
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