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Environment Groups Against Cuomo’s Dairy Plans
cnynews.com ^ | January 25, 2013 | Ted Muehl

Posted on 01/26/2013 12:14:26 AM PST by neverdem

Environmental groups are pushing back against Governor Andrew Cuomo’s administration’s plan to support a growing yogurt industry by easing regulations on large-scale dairy operations.

The Greek yogurt industry is growing so fast in New York that the state doesn’t have enough cows to meet the demand for milk. At a “yogurt summit” in August, Governor Cuomo called Greek yogurt one of the best entrepreneurial opportunities in a generation.

Farms with up to 200 cows are exempt from rules requiring extra steps to prevent pollution from cow waste. Cuomo proposes raising the limit to 300 cows to help farms expand without high regulatory costs.

The groups, which include RiverKeeper, EarthJustice, Environmental Advocates and Citizens Campaign for the Environment, contend the proposed deregulation is a violation of the federal Clean Water Act and would undermine the DEC’s ability to meet runoff limits set by the Environmental Protection Agency to protect Chesapeake Bay.

The Farm Bureau estimates that potentially 800 farms across the state would be in a position to add 100 cows if the new rules are approved, but not all would have the desire or resources to do that.

Greek yogurt is thicker and creamier than more traditional yogurt and requires more milk in its production. The rapid growth of the Greek yogurt industry in New York has revitalized the dairy business in the state. The nation’s No. 1 and No. 2 Greek yogurt brands, Chobani and FAGE, are both expanding plants in central New York, and the total number of yogurt plants in the state is now 29, up from 14 in the year 2000.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cuomo; dairy; environazis; yogurt
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1 posted on 01/26/2013 12:14:39 AM PST by neverdem
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
The Dot Matrix, Reloaded - How do you ban assault weapons when you can print them?

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2 posted on 01/26/2013 12:32:25 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
The Dot Matrix, Reloaded - How do you ban assault weapons when you can print them?

STUDENTS WARD OFF HOME INTRUDERS WITH AR-15 Rochester, NY

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3 posted on 01/26/2013 12:33:24 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Even by New York standards, 300 cows, while above average, is not a “large” dairy farm. But as usual the environazis have no real rationale for this decision. How is the runoff any different for a farm of 400 split into two herds of 200 cows each (by, say, inheritance) with access to the same watershed? Yet one is required to obey nitrogen restrictions while the other two are exempt.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 12:54:34 AM PST by FredZarguna ("The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." -- Henry the Sixth Part II, 4.2.71-78)
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To: neverdem

Cuomo, what are you doing helping business? Aren’t you worried they are going to throw you out of the Club for Anti-growth?

Oh, there is an ulterior motive. OK, I understand.


5 posted on 01/26/2013 2:59:43 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: FredZarguna
The overarching point has nothing to do with arithmetic ~ it has to do with the fact Cuomo thinks he has the authority to authorize farmers to take unlawful actions for which they can be held accountable later on in court after having been sued down to their knickers by professional environmentalists.

New York long ago lost authority over its own cows when their politicians gave it all up to the EPA. Cuomo can't get it back with executive action alone. He will have to start dictating to Chucky Schumer and the others first to get the laws changed.

This is where Conservatism leaps in to protect the status quo, no matter how evil it might be, unless the Democrats and their running dog lackeys GIVE UP SOMETHING WE WANT!

We need a new Speaker an House committee chairment who KNOW THIS VISCERALLY. They should be eternally on watch for these opportunities. If Cuomo wants to pump cow poop into the river, we need something for us to go along with that at the national level.

6 posted on 01/26/2013 3:19:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: FredZarguna; neverdem

“environazi’s have no real rationale ...”

So true - my oldest daughter, 25, just married last June (expecting first baby this June) and her new husband live in the hilly farmland in Otsego County roughly 7 miles east of Cooperstown. They are starting a small diary operation, so this topic hits home for me.

Instead of the environazi’s giving a knee jerk no to this - why doesn’t the state actually solve the problem by hiring some envirnmental engeneers with expertise in water tables so we can properly manage any run off? Let’s solve the problem - not overly regulate farms!! I think my daughter nad son in law might be in the Sesquahanna watershed, not sure, but I do know they are in a hollow FAR from any direct nitrate run off to impact any watershed directly. They only have 40 cows so far ....

I am for clean water as much as anyone else - but lets solve the problem intelligently!! (liberals lack logic)


7 posted on 01/26/2013 6:00:49 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: stonehouse01

sorry -environmental engineers - was typing too fast


8 posted on 01/26/2013 6:01:48 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: neverdem; FredZarguna; Right Wing Assault; muawiyah
from the article: "Environmental groups are pushing back against Governor Andrew Cuomo’s administration’s plan to support a growing yogurt industry by easing regulations on large-scale dairy operations."

FredZarguna: "Even by New York standards, 300 cows, while above average, is not a “large” dairy farm."

Right Wing Assault: "Cuomo, what are you doing helping business?"

muawiyah: "This is where Conservatism leaps in to protect the status quo, no matter how evil it might be, unless the Democrats and their running dog lackeys GIVE UP SOMETHING WE WANT!"

All this is not so difficult, once you see the basics:

Bottom line: every year the total number of farms, farmers and cows declines, while milk production per cow increases.
So, farms which were once classified as "large" are now considered "small". Therefore, increasing New York's "small farm" limits from 200 to 300 cows is a more-or-less routine adjustment to changing economic reality.

Remember, farmers in general are natural Republicans -- you might say they are the base of our base -- unless we find new ways to abuse them, which let us pray, we will not ever do.

As for muawiyah extracting more concessions from Liberals, well, good luck with that, FRiend... ;-)

9 posted on 01/26/2013 6:10:46 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

it’s all about YOGURT and that’s where we got New York’s politicians by the A$$.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 6:39:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Right Wing Assault

Ulterior motive is exactly what I thought of when I spotted this, although I have to admit that I did not read the entire piece. He is surely backscratching here....


11 posted on 01/26/2013 7:00:50 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! Ps80)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 01/26/2013 7:35:09 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: BroJoeK; neverdem; FredZarguna; Right Wing Assault; muawiyah
Remember, farmers in general are natural Republicans -- you might say they are the base of our base -- unless we find new ways to abuse them, which let us pray, we will not ever do.

I wish this were true.

But it isn't.

Most farmers say they're Republicans. But I can tell you from my personal experience of nearly 30 years writing software for farmers, farmers are on the government tit more than any other group. And like every group on the tit they have their own rationalizations for why in their case it's justified.

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to tell farmers in small operations in the upper Midwest and Northeastern United States that they need to get off the subsidies, which are destroying farms. I've preached this in milking parlors, hogbarns, DHIA banquets, Holstein Association Meetings, Extension presentations, and award ceremonies for AI studs. Because our subsidies are based on production, they reward large operators who already enjoy significant competitive advantages over family farms because of economies of scale and retail bargaining leverage.

You try to tell a small farmer that subsidies (of various kinds, some well disguised, some outright bribes) are the reason that so many people who aren't worth a crap as farmers are able to stay in business and drive down profitability for everyone, and their response universally is: "You can't take away our subsidies. We'll be ruined."

Sorry, buddy. I love farmers. I personally come from a long line of farmers, who've been in Southeastern PA since before there even was a United States of America, and since I left academia, writing software for farmers has been my life. But they're only our friends as long as they keep getting money from the government and you can't convince them otherwise. Just look at what happened to Republican Senators in the 1982 mid-terms, when Reagan tried to phase out subsidies or when Gingrich passed the Freedom to Farm Act. Those measures were repealed with an absolute vengence, and here we go, yet again, year after year, with a huge Farm Bill.

13 posted on 01/26/2013 11:20:44 AM PST by FredZarguna (And it's a felony beef.)
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To: FredZarguna
FredZarguna: "Sorry, buddy. I love farmers. I personally come from a long line of farmers...
But they're only our friends as long as they keep getting money from the government and you can't convince them otherwise"

Oh, dear, do you ever sound confused, but where do we even begin to straighten you out?
How about here?

Bottom line: of course those large farmers you typically deal with want their "subsidies" to continue, not so much because they couldn't live without them, but rather because so many other industries receive similar preferential treatment, why should farmers be singled out for punishment?

The obvious solution is to reduce all tax rates, in exchange for eliminating government market-skewing "subsidies", a solution most Republican farmers would happily accept, but which would eliminate the Democrat government's role in picking winners and rewarding their backers.
So that's when you'd expose the difference between real Republicans and Democrats who just pretend to be something else.

14 posted on 01/27/2013 4:48:58 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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