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Grocery Bag Bans and Foodborne Illness [ER admissions and deaths up by 25% since plastic bag ban]
papers.ssrn.com ^ | November 2, 2012 | Jonathan Klick and Joshua D. Wright

Posted on 01/24/2013 6:31:52 PM PST by grundle

Abstract: Recently, many jurisdictions have implemented bans or imposed taxes upon plastic grocery bags on environmental grounds. San Francisco County was the first major US jurisdiction to enact such a regulation, implementing a ban in 2007. There is evidence, however, that reusable grocery bags, a common substitute for plastic bags, contain potentially harmful bacteria. We examine emergency room admissions related to these bacteria in the wake of the San Francisco ban. We find that ER visits spiked when the ban went into effect. Relative to other counties, ER admissions increase by at least one fourth, and deaths exhibit a similar increase.

Number of Pages in PDF File: 23

Keywords: plastic, environment, pollution, e-coli

JEL Classification: I18, K32

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bacteria; bag; bags; ban; bannans; bans; emergencyroom; enviralists; environmental; environmentalism; foodborne; grocery; grocerybag; grocerybags; illness; plasticbag; plasticbags; reusable; sanfrancisco; sanfranciscovalues
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1 posted on 01/24/2013 6:32:06 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Not surprised


2 posted on 01/24/2013 6:33:24 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: grundle

Wow these guys must be right wing extremists.
How could they dispute progressive dogma?
And in that shrine of liberalism, SF CA ??


3 posted on 01/24/2013 6:35:13 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: grundle

this is why I throw away any plastic bag that touched raw meat. The reast we reuse for lunches and such.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 6:36:41 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: LukeL

we use them for dog poop


5 posted on 01/24/2013 6:51:57 PM PST by Mercat (Never laugh at live dragons)
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To: grundle

Ah, the absurdity and idiocy of liberal meddlers. Back in the 70s and 80s they convinced legislative ignoramuses across the country that paper grocery bags don’t biodegrade for decades in landfills an that the grocery stores needed to switch to plastic.

Those of us whose brains stills functioned were against at the complete lack of logic because a paper bag biodegrades much, much faster than does plastice. But, the elected twits in Congress and state legislatures across the country apparently slept through that particular 8th grade science class.

So, today, landfills are full of plastic bags that will still be intact when the next millenia comes and now, the same morons who convinced legislative morons that “paper bad, plastic good” are now telling the same legislative morons, “plastic bad, paper or reusable bags good.”

And people wonder why we are a nation of idiots!


6 posted on 01/24/2013 6:54:45 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: grundle

Anyone ever heard of lysol or a washing machine, or are they outlawed in the freak state?


7 posted on 01/24/2013 6:56:49 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: grundle

I love reusable bags—not for any “green reasons”. I just don’t have to make 40 trips back and forth to the car when I can put my groceries in 1 or 2 bags and make one trip.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 7:01:47 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: DustyMoment
Back in the 70s and 80s they convinced legislative ignoramuses across the country that paper grocery bags don’t biodegrade for decades in landfills an that the grocery stores needed to switch to plastic.

I remember it differently. The paper bags were bad because it required the cutting of trees. I don't think anybody claimed that platics (especially '70s plastics) degraded.
9 posted on 01/24/2013 7:03:02 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Mercat
we use them for dog poop

Make sure you check 'em for holes in the bottom. A lot of them have tears and holes after their primary function is completed.

10 posted on 01/24/2013 7:07:19 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The paper bags were bad because it required the cutting of trees.

God help us, in Maine, we have a tree growing every square foot.

11 posted on 01/24/2013 7:09:35 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Mercat

Yes, similiar here - removing solids from kitty litter boxes (6 cats) and getting dog poo (2 dogs) out of back yard.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 7:12:29 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: grundle

It’s better that humans die instead of a pigeon that eats plastic bags.../s


13 posted on 01/24/2013 7:13:17 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
God help us, in Maine, we have a tree growing every square foot.

And it is VERY important to the folks in Madison, Berkeley, Manhattan and San Francisco that it STAY that way.
14 posted on 01/24/2013 7:13:31 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: LukeL

Use them for dog poop, or trash bags.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 7:18:08 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: VRWCarea51

The obvious answer is who wants to go to the bother. Less obvious is that these reusable bags are not robust enough to withstand machine washing, or they are just plain water proof which does not wash well.


16 posted on 01/24/2013 7:21:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: VRWCarea51

Many of the reusable bags fall apart if you try and wash them.
They are great for non perishable items, I only use plastic for fresh and meat.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 7:21:42 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: grundle

I need to get this to the Austin City Council who just enacted a ban on plastic bans. Is San Fran going to somehow be held liable for all those ER visits? or any of them?


18 posted on 01/24/2013 7:21:42 PM PST by austinaero
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To: grundle
Low-information voters and abysmally ignorant legislators...
...and unexpected consequences.

What a freaking surprise!

19 posted on 01/24/2013 7:22:18 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: grundle

It looks like the paper is written by two attorneys. Look for a class action suit.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 7:29:23 PM PST by 'smith
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To: 'smith

Couldn’t happen to nicer liberals.


21 posted on 01/24/2013 7:30:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: grundle

Libtardism in a land where the Law of Unintended Consequences is functional can be risky to those exhibiting Libtard behavior patterns.

Mr. Libtard meet Mr. Stomach Pump.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 7:32:28 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: nascarnation; vette6387; roadcat
Wow these guys must be right wing extremists. How could they dispute progressive dogma? And in that shrine of liberalism, SF CA ??

Once again, SF leads the way in progressive social change.

23 posted on 01/24/2013 7:45:33 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Mercat

I have started to collect my plastic garbage bags- for my storm/emergency prep... not for dog poop.. but for, well...

(People poop)

:)

Just wanted to share for some reason.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 7:46:16 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: VRWCarea51
Those reusable grocery bags are made from post consumer waste. Guess which end of the consumer that waste comes from. Active live pathogens have been identified in the material. It isn't fabric, rather a textured film made to resemble woven cloth. The diseases are in the material when it comes out of the box.
25 posted on 01/24/2013 7:47:29 PM PST by kitchen (Due to the increased price of ammo, do not expect a warning shot.)
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To: grundle

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 7:50:55 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Mercat

I use them to wrap the containers of motor oil I send to the dump.


27 posted on 01/24/2013 7:51:40 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Dr. Sivana; ROCKLOBSTER

Liberals are unaware of pulpwood production and the myth of saving trees. In the South, pines are purposefully overplanted and the first thinning is the pulpwood cut. Irregardless, the trees will be cut to allow the remaining trees to grow to maturity for the sawlog cut.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 8:00:21 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: grundle
The government knows best remember they forced all commercial meat cutters to exchange wood for plastic cutting boards.PLASTIC AND WOODEN CUTTING BOARDS
29 posted on 01/24/2013 8:03:07 PM PST by the_daug
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To: grundle

it seems to me that if they banned the bags, there would be a decrease in illness caused by the “contaminated” bags.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 8:06:14 PM PST by terycarl
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To: grundle

How many diseases are spread by SF homosexuals?


31 posted on 01/24/2013 8:13:49 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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Or the psycho nudists that sit their nasty butts all over public places.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 8:16:46 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: crusty old prospector
Liberals are unaware of pulpwood production and the myth of saving trees.

Answers.com puts the number of trees in the world at more than five trillion.

33 posted on 01/24/2013 8:19:44 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SatinDoll
getting dog poo (2 dogs) out of back yard.

I've only heard of one other person who did that. He is a loony lib who is a waste of oxygen. No saying you are but why? It's good fertilizer that disappears in a matter of days.

34 posted on 01/24/2013 8:23:32 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: crusty old prospector; Dr. Sivana

They grow so well here, that if I don’t cut trees every day...my lawn will disappear.


35 posted on 01/24/2013 8:24:22 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Fiji Hill

I use my plastic bags to suffocate children and choke dolphins. A least that’s what the left accuses me of.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 8:24:32 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: crusty old prospector
Liberals are unaware of pulpwood production and the myth of saving trees. In the South, pines are purposefully overplanted and the first thinning is the pulpwood cut. Irregardless, the trees will be cut to allow the remaining trees to grow to maturity for the sawlog cut.

For being so highly educated and so much smarter than the rest of us, liberals -- as a group -- are incredibly ignorant.

They are simply unaware of many facts -- of economics, of history, of science, etc. Nor will they recognize these facts if they conflict with their beliefs.

As Ronaldus Magnus once put it: “It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so.”

37 posted on 01/24/2013 8:25:59 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: bgill

We live in a rainy climate on the side of a hill. My house is embedded in the hillside, with the rear of the first floor below grade [it is referred to by real estate dealers as a “walk-out basement”]. The soil is hard clay into which the dog poo does not “disappear”.

Every few years we get a snowstrom that dumps about 3 - 4 feet of snow followed by a tropical rainstorm dropping 60 degree rain of about 4 inches per day for three days.

The result is instant flooded basement that stinks of dog shit.

It is much easier to collect the dog poo and avoid the stench.


38 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:28 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: grundle

There was a story not too long ago where several young people died (listeria?) traced to a re-usable bag.

Here is a paper on the subject:
http://www.utexas.edu/law/colloquium/papers-public/2012-2013/10-01-12_Grocery%20Bag%20Bans%20and%20Foodborne%20Illness.pdf


39 posted on 01/24/2013 8:46:49 PM PST by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: grundle

Same might be true for those reusable plastic cups that some coffee spots encourage you to use. I heard a guy was suing a coffee spot because he got sick from his own cup. Hearsay, but pretty reliable.


40 posted on 01/24/2013 8:50:58 PM PST by firebrand
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To: grundle

We have this idiotic ban here in San Luis Obispo County, CA and it is a real pain in the A$$. It slows things up at check out at the grocery store..Clerks have said that folks use all kinds of different bags and figuring out how to best fill them it time consuming, and they tend to fill them so that one needs the strength of Sampson to carry them out and load them in your car. Other stores also have to sell bags ( paper or cloth) if you need one. Then of course, if you have to use these bags, make sure you have your name on the cuz if you don’t and someone tries to pinch one while you are not looking at least you can prove it is your bag! This is more stupid govt control that all too many people are willling to give into..why they let their own liberty go for crap like this is beyond me. I hate the ban..And there are people in our county that are going to Santa Maria to shop as they don’t have that ban there and that is Santa Barbara County. But there is a note...I hear on the radio yesterday that by 2014 Sacramento would like this to be a state wide ban to be in effect..Just one more reason to leave this loony state..and I would if I could.


41 posted on 01/24/2013 8:59:07 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: svcw

The reusable bags are non-woven polypropylene. Not sure how that is supposed to be better than plastic.

They are impressively strong for such inexpensive material. But much more practical for non food use.

I remember back in the mid 70s similar conclusions were reached for the brown paper lunch sacks if reused. It seems that facts are mostly inconvenient speed bumps on the fast track to saving Gia from man’s evil presence.


42 posted on 01/24/2013 9:10:14 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Saoirise

Science proves me right.


43 posted on 01/24/2013 11:12:29 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
They grow so well here, that if I don’t cut trees every day...my lawn will disappear.

SHH! Don't complain too loud, or you may disturb the natural habitat of the Maine Grey Squirrel, indistinguishable from he Quebec Grey Squirrel and the New Hampshire Grey Squirrel except that it can only live in Maine Old Growth Forests.
44 posted on 01/25/2013 3:38:56 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"God help us, in Maine, we have a tree growing every square foot. "

There are more trees growing in North America now that there was when the Pilgrims landed. We don't have a tree shortage.

45 posted on 01/25/2013 3:54:48 AM PST by blam
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To: SatinDoll

Ick.


46 posted on 01/25/2013 9:24:00 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well, perhaps in your part of the country, they used that as the excuse. In MY part of the country it was about how paper bags don’t biodegrade and plastic bags do.

So, I guess we’ll just have to have different memories of the same event.


47 posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:19 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Clay Moore

Thanks for that link!


48 posted on 01/25/2013 11:37:07 AM PST by grundle
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To: DustyMoment
Well, perhaps in your part of the country, they used that as the excuse. In MY part of the country it was about how paper bags don’t biodegrade and plastic bags do.

I was in CT at the time. Funny, no shortage of trees tere.

The important thing is that leftists have to go looking for dragons to slay, whether it breathes fire or ice is sort of incidental. They take it personally if you don't thank them for meddling.
49 posted on 01/25/2013 12:14:17 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: bgill
I've only heard of one other person who did that. He is a loony lib who is a waste of oxygen. No saying you are but why? It's good fertilizer that disappears in a matter of days.

Do you honestly not clean up your dog poop, ever?

50 posted on 01/26/2013 7:43:17 AM PST by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (Yes! Live! Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!)
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