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1 posted on 01/21/2013 7:41:22 AM PST by algernon_garnock
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Why doesn’t NYC just tax the hell out of SNAP, WICs, EBT, TANF, Section 8 and EITC? Lotsa money there!


2 posted on 01/21/2013 7:48:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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And based on that, with a sales organization on the street the unregistered gun sales in NY will make the Mafia one heck of a tidy profit. Perhaps Cuomo is making financial decisions not political ones after all.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 7:49:00 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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When I lived in NC, I used to drive by JR discount center in Selma. They use to sell cigarettes wholesale. (Looks like they only do cigars now) The parking lot was usually overflowing with car from NY and NJ.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 7:57:45 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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In the 8 miles from my Virginia home to the VA/Maryland state line there are no less that 10 “discount” cigarette stores (plus convenience stores that also advertise cheap prices) and on any given day the out of state plates in those lots out number the VA plates. I also live a direct 6 hours south of NYC.


5 posted on 01/21/2013 8:02:03 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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No problem uncle Vennie works on the docks in Chicago only $10.00 a carton.


6 posted on 01/21/2013 8:06:51 AM PST by Vaduz
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Gee, in a state with Mafia AND Indians?? Whoda thunkit??


7 posted on 01/21/2013 8:16:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: algernon_garnock

Only fools and the middle class pay taxes.


8 posted on 01/21/2013 8:23:43 AM PST by gotribe (obama = the Great Divider)
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The government makes more “profit” on cigarettes than the cigarette companies.

Phil Mickelson pays almost 65% of his entire income in taxes.


9 posted on 01/21/2013 8:26:20 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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A major hub is Akwesasne, where cigarettes are produced tax-free. They are readily available in Toronto for less than $2 a pack. Excise taxes here are $4/pack.


10 posted on 01/21/2013 8:38:32 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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I had a lady from NY here looking at houses a few years ago(I’m a Realtor)and when she found out cigs were $4.00 a pack she asked me to pull over at a store. She bought 10 cartons of Salems. She said they were $10.00 in NY and that was 5 years ago.


11 posted on 01/21/2013 8:41:33 AM PST by albie
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12 posted on 01/21/2013 8:56:11 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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The locals here buy cigs and gas at Indian stores. Now & then they get raided by NYS, but they’re back in business quickly. Puts a differentight on the so-called smuggling statistics.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 9:03:09 AM PST by ntnychik
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I am sure that a majority (a vast majority) are sold with a wink wink from the politicians and tax officials and police. In exchange for that wink wink, they are paid substantial sums of money by everyone from buyers to retailers to wholesalers to smugglers to tribal members and on and on.
This is the reason many if not all run for office. In America today political bribes are as much of a way of life as Mexico.

Always Remember; “Anyone who gets rich in public service is a crook” Harry S. Truman

14 posted on 01/21/2013 9:08:56 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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This Indian site is still mailing out cigarettes.

http://www.senecacigarettes.com/tobacco/

How can they get away with this?

Is it safe to order from them?

(Grandfather needs place to get cheaper cigarettes)


15 posted on 01/21/2013 9:17:56 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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While I do not doubt the basic thrust of this story, and I applaud anyone that can screw any level of government out of “their” tax money, I have one question:

HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY KNOW THIS?

How can anyone know how many people ARE NOT paying taxes on cigarettes or anything else? How can they know, to one hundredth of a percent, how many people are doing something illegal? If it were possible to know this information, the government would be arresting and jailing those involved. And there would not BE “70% of taxes not paid.”

Since it is not possible to actually know this information, this whole story is a LIE. It is PROPAGANDA, disseminated for the sole purpose of justifying more police power, more police snooping, more government. It is to convince the low-information voters that the government is “looking out for” them. That the government needs more power, more authority, more taxes, to chase down these rotten smugglers, and make them pay “their fair share.”

Crap!

rant off


17 posted on 01/21/2013 9:28:12 AM PST by G-Bear (Always leave your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.)
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I am sure organized crime has a thriving black market in bootleg cigarettes. Too bad politicians are ignorant of history. When the great social experiment of Prohibition was enacted to save people from themselves organized crime thrived providing people the beer and alcohol they wanted.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 9:40:01 AM PST by The Great RJ
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Indian Reservations within the State.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 10:17:34 AM PST by Paladin2
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Good. May it continue in spades.

Regards,


22 posted on 01/21/2013 10:20:03 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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Don't know much about the smuggling ... though it only stands to reason. I buy mine from the Senecas. One reservation to the north about 15 miles away and another where I occasionally work in Steamburg about 25 miles the other direction.

Smokes are $100/carton in the local grocery story (yes, you read that right) and $30 on the "res". New York has been funding its government for years now by counting the revenue it "should" get from tobacco.

And, let me tell you, they're really pi**ed they're not getting it.

24 posted on 01/21/2013 3:48:10 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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