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Biden says Administration Doesn't Have Time to Prosecute People Who Lie on Background Checks
National Rifle Association of America Institute for Legislative Action ^ | January 18, 2013 | NRA Press Office

Posted on 01/20/2013 8:01:47 AM PST by forty_years

As has been widely reported, an NRA representative recently met with an Obama administration-directed firearm task force led by longtime gun control supporter Vice-President Joe Biden. It came as no surprise that the meeting had little to do with keeping our children safe and much to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. But you may be surprised to know one of the revelations that came out of the meeting.

Jim Baker, NRA-ILA's Director of Federal Affairs, represented NRA at the meeting. As detailed in a recent Daily Caller article, Mr. Baker was given five minutes to present NRA's concerns and the approach NRA saw as being the most effective way to safeguard our children. During those five minutes, Baker mentioned the need to vigorously prosecute existing gun laws. He further noted the low number of prosecutions for falsifying information on Form 4473s, and the low felony prosecution rate for gun crimes in general.

In response to Mr. Baker's comments, Vice-President Biden said, "And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don't have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately." That's right: Biden said the administration just doesn't have time to prosecute crimes (felonies punishable by up to a 10-year prison sentence) under existing laws, but is proposing a host of sweeping new laws.

According to federal statistics cited in the Daily Caller article, in 2010, prosecutors considered just 22 cases of information falsification, and 40 additional background-check cases ended up before prosecutors for reasons related to unlawful gun possession. Prosecutors pursued just 44 of those 62 cases, although more than 72,600 applications were denied on the basis of a background check. Overall, gun prosecutions per capita in 2011 were down 35 percent from the previous administration's peak in 2004.

"We think it is problematic when the administration takes lightly the prosecutions under existing gun laws and yet does not seem to have a problem promoting a whole host of other gun laws," said Baker. "If we are not going to enforce the laws that are on the books, it not only engenders disrespect for the law but it makes law-abiding gun owners wonder why we are going through this exercise we are going through now."

Commenting on the administration's inability to prosecute persons who lie to obtain a firearm, NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox said, "They don't have time to pursue people who are dangerous, who aren't supposed to get guns, and the message they have sent is literally 'Good luck, go get them elsewhere.' You can talk all you want," Cox continued, "but until there is a will to follow through, then it is literally just going to paper over the problem and guarantee that bad people continue to have access to firearms and good people will be blamed for it."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhobanglist; bhodoj; biden; constitution; guncontrol; guns; law; obama; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/20/2013 8:01:53 AM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years

They don’t have time to chase down illegal aliens either. Just what the hell do they do all day?


2 posted on 01/20/2013 8:04:59 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (HealthCare IS NOT a right. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is.)
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To: forty_years

Well then it certainly doesn’t have the time to enforce any of the other laws Biden is pressing for. Time to repeal a bunch of laws until there’s enough time to prosecute the remaining ones. May I suggest the Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended, and the National Firearms Act of 1934, as amended? That would be a good start, but there might be more if there still isn’t time to prosecute those, either.


3 posted on 01/20/2013 8:05:10 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: forty_years

Have you recently filled out the documents to purchase a gun?

I do not take those statements lightly and I despise the intimidation associated with them.


4 posted on 01/20/2013 8:07:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: FlingWingFlyer
They don’t have time to chase down illegal aliens either. Just what the hell do they do all day?

Gun running is hard work.

5 posted on 01/20/2013 8:08:09 AM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: forty_years

Well . . . if the Regime can’t handle the job . . . . .


6 posted on 01/20/2013 8:10:45 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: forty_years
We're too busy; just turn 'em in.

Sounds like the first executive order by the proud Pres. (Plugs, Bite Me) Biden.
7 posted on 01/20/2013 8:11:09 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: coloradan
This whole episode strikes me a totally amateurish, but what are we to expect from a child like Obama, and Biden with terminal hoof in mouth disease? People are mobilizing against this blatant power grab. Please tell your elected reps to oppose Obama's gun control legislation/executive orders. This CAPWIZ link makes it easy to find and write your reps.
8 posted on 01/20/2013 8:11:28 AM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years
This is so obvious to me. They don't want to prosecute these violations. They want more criminals with guns. This strengthens their case for banning guns. Hey if a bunch of kids die, they are only a means to an end. Marxism is evil whether in the open or hiding within the democrat party. People don't matter only their agenda. Look at Fast and Furious. Wake up America.
9 posted on 01/20/2013 8:14:53 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: forty_years
That's right: Biden said the administration just doesn't have time to prosecute crimes (felonies punishable by up to a 10-year prison sentence) under existing laws, but is proposing a host of sweeping new laws.

Biden, Obama and dems are NOT interested in 'crime control' but in 'gun control'. They want to take guns away from lawfull citizens. Dems are NOT trying to take guns away from gang members - the type who slaughter the children of Chicago. Nope, they're after middle class guns. Guns honest people use for protection.

ALL the school shooters were democrats or their parents were democrats. Most were on psychoactive drugs. Over 96% of prison inmates are democrats. Chicago street gangs organized recently for democrats...

Biden is NOT going after criminals. Biden is going after us.

10 posted on 01/20/2013 8:31:50 AM PST by GOPJ ( Gang members breaking down YOUR door- daughter and wife screaming for help - Dems took YOUR gun....)
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To: forty_years
That's right: Biden said the administration just doesn't have time to prosecute crimes (felonies punishable by up to a 10-year prison sentence) under existing laws, but is proposing a host of sweeping new laws.

Biden, Obama and dems are NOT interested in 'crime control' but in 'gun control'. They want to take guns away from lawful citizens. Dems are NOT trying to take guns away from gang members - the type who slaughter the children of Chicago. Nope, they're after middle class guns. Guns honest people use for protection.

ALL the school shooters were democrats or their parents were democrats. Most were on psychoactive drugs. Over 96% of prison inmates are democrats. Chicago street gangs organized recently for democrats...

Biden is NOT going after criminals. Biden is going after us.

11 posted on 01/20/2013 8:32:31 AM PST by GOPJ ( Gang members breaking down YOUR door- daughter and wife screaming for help - Dems took YOUR gun....)
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To: forty_years

Background check records will provide one more place to do opposition research.

Candidate x said on his application he lived at 123 first street. In fact he lived at 124 first street.

Headline in democrat newspaper: CANDIDATE X LIED ON HIS GUN PERMIT APPLICATION!


12 posted on 01/20/2013 8:36:34 AM PST by DManA
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To: forty_years

During class photos in High Skrool they asked if you had any awards?
My brother wrote he was a member of the National Honor Society. On the Deans List. Class prisident, MENSA member, volunteered as a candy striper, etc etc.
Made himself to look like GODS gift to the world.
None of which was true at all but it all made it in the year book. NO ONE CHECKED


13 posted on 01/20/2013 9:09:13 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Oh, you know, beer summits, surfing internet porn, looking for other people’s reports to plagiarize, selling guns to Mexican drug cartels, there’s hardly enough time in the day!


14 posted on 01/20/2013 9:10:15 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DManA

Or the space on the form was so frickin small (and I believe they cracked down on that pernicious racket of abbreviating), the guy may have just done the best he could and the examiner’s interpretation of his scrawl is different from his actual address. That’s what passes for a “crime” these days.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 9:14:04 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Oh, you know, beer summits, surfing internet porn, looking for other people’s reports to plagiarize, selling guns to Mexican drug cartels, there’s hardly enough time in the day!

Prince Humperdinck: [sincerely] Tyrone, you know how much I love watching you work, but I've got my country's 500th anniversary to plan, my wedding to arrange, my wife to murder and Guilder to frame for it; I'm swamped.

Count Rugen: Get some rest. If you haven't got your health, then you haven't got anything.

16 posted on 01/20/2013 9:23:08 AM PST by Conservative_Rob
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To: Conservative_Rob

LOLZ — we just watched that movie for the first time in years last night!


17 posted on 01/20/2013 9:37:24 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: forty_years; All
FEAR
18 posted on 01/20/2013 9:38:30 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"Understanding How Good People Turn Evil"

Are we absolutely sure these particular people were ever good in the first place?

19 posted on 01/20/2013 9:42:05 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: forty_years; Revolting cat!
Four years of Certifigate has already told us this.


20 posted on 01/20/2013 10:11:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: mosaicwolf

My husband has said for years, the government wants a certain level of crime. How else can every police department in American have a SWAT team, with all the goodies .How else could they justify the Department of Education having a SWAT team. They have to have big unions, so they can pass money to them.If we had way less crime, we would need to have way less LEO. It so goes along with what you’re saying.


21 posted on 01/20/2013 10:21:59 AM PST by Jaxmum
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To: forty_years

case in point:

“Murderous ‘monster’ acquires an arsenal”

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/187610601.html


22 posted on 01/20/2013 10:23:45 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: forty_years

I don’t get it. They have a host of laws that they don’t enforce and they still want more.

Enforce the old ones and you won’t need any new ones.

Eat the peas that are on your plate and you won’t be hungry for more.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 10:56:59 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: forty_years

Biden could just as well have said they don’t have time to prosecute all who are responsible for fraud in the government and have caused spending to go out of control.


24 posted on 01/20/2013 11:02:51 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: forty_years
They don't have the time to clean up election fraud, broken borders, or Medicare, Medicaid, and welfare fraud, either.

Spending oodles of our money on worthless or fraudulent tasks is a big job. It takes lot of time. We understand, Joe.

25 posted on 01/20/2013 11:12:40 AM PST by Gritty (The 2nd Amendment protects the right to shoot tyrants effectively, not deer-Judge Andrew Napolitano)
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To: GOPJ
ALL the school shooters were democrats or their parents were democrats.

I've been seeing this all over the net this weekend. I have searched for evidence of this and have not found it...can you give me sources? I would love to spread this info far and wide, but not if it's going to be debunked by "snopes."

26 posted on 01/20/2013 12:03:59 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Just what the hell do they do all day?

Theres lots of golf courses theyve never been to.

27 posted on 01/20/2013 12:24:51 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: forty_years

Background checks starting at our White House!


28 posted on 01/20/2013 1:05:16 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ponygirl
I would love to spread this info far and wide, but not if it's going to be debunked by "snopes."

Lack of proof in this case is proof. If they were conservative republicans or TEA party advocates it would have been front page news still.

29 posted on 01/20/2013 1:29:00 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: forty_years

We know. 0bama’s uncle and aunt have been here a while now. 0bama’s background is a cypher; costs money and time to keep it that way, though.


30 posted on 01/20/2013 1:34:25 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: forty_years

It is not brain surgery. Fingerprints, criminal records. They have all the data and it should be able to be done in a few minutes.


31 posted on 01/20/2013 1:36:24 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: forty_years

Just arrest high government people.


32 posted on 01/20/2013 1:38:26 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: forty_years
I find this whole background check issue hideous. Apparently the vast majority of Americans and even the NRA buys this feel-good background check idea. Do you really think criminals will submit themselves to a background check? They will buy their weapons on the street.

The only thing background checks do is make a gun purchase more expensive and time consuming for law abiding Americans. My sister in NJ, texted me yesterday and said that NICS background checks are taking 3-4 days. On a recent gun purchase I made in PA, it took 40 minutes to just to get through on the phone for a PICS background check. (PA doesn't do the national background check.)

The problem isn't law abiding citizens, it is criminals and liberals that seem to love to release them from jail without proper punishment that sets them straight so they will never, ever want to break the law again.

33 posted on 01/20/2013 2:59:04 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: forty_years
Administration Doesn't Have Time to Prosecute People Who Lie on Background Checks

I can see two ways for them to play this one:

1. "There's nothing we can do if you lie on the form." (Meanwhile they're increasing their detection and prosecution resources to catch and make examples of people like the Marine with the 40-year-old fistfight arrest.)

2. "Since there aren't enough resources to prevent firearm purchases by those who lie on the form, we're just gonna have to outlaw ALL firearm purchases. Sorry, but that's our only option."

Biden has made a bold and provocative move here. Wouldn't be wise for us to leave the threat sitting there unanswered.
34 posted on 01/20/2013 3:45:02 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: forty_years
JFK an extremist?


35 posted on 01/20/2013 6:17:38 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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If you are telling us they aren’t going to check the checks, then why do we have them, Joe?

I’m sure it makes sense to him.


36 posted on 01/20/2013 8:54:15 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: forty_years

Biden says Administration Doesn’t Have Time to Prosecute People Who Lie on Background Checks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

They certainly had no time to prosecute our unqualified president who lied on his Birth Certificate and who has used at least 2 bogus social security numbers.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 9:06:14 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: GOPJ

“Dems are NOT trying to take guns away from gang members - the type who slaughter the children of Chicago.”

______________________________________________

I grew up in a suburb of Chicago (Des Plaines) and still watch WGN on the superstation. Almost every night, there is someone killed by gang violence in Chicago, and even further out; as a child, I always thought it was normal. And that’s pretty sad.


38 posted on 01/20/2013 9:41:30 PM PST by proud American in Canada (Please pray for America. She needs God's help more than ever now.)
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To: forty_years
Biden says Administration Doesn't Have Time to Prosecute People Who Lie on Background Checks

Hey, if it's good enough for the president...

39 posted on 01/21/2013 3:40:01 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: proud American in Canada

You’re right - it is sad. I pinged you to an article you might enjoy... Thanks for sharing...


40 posted on 01/21/2013 8:30:10 AM PST by GOPJ ( Gang members breaking down YOUR door- daughter and wife screaming for help - Dems took YOUR gun....)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

There’s an illegal alien squatting at 1600 Penn ave. DC!


41 posted on 01/21/2013 2:53:06 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: forty_years

Joe Biden; the stuff that floats to the top after an unsuccessful flush..


42 posted on 01/21/2013 8:40:30 PM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They don’t seem to have the time or manpower to win the war on drugs either.


43 posted on 01/22/2013 5:40:04 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"They don’t have time to chase down illegal aliens either. Just what the hell do they do all day?"

they figure out creative new ways to loot their taxpayers and yoke them up to debt slavery.

They start silly wars to kill off the patriots so they can replace them with dependent entitlement zombies,

they figure out ways to take away any means of defense against their soft tyranny

they are bizzy bizzy bizzy running guns in Benghazi and Mexico

they are bizzy pushing through diabolical scams like Obamacare to kill off the old people so they dont have to pay out social security or medicare

44 posted on 01/22/2013 10:40:22 AM PST by KTM rider ( American at heart..... Rebel by force)
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