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Senate Democrats hold key to passage of gun legislation
CNN ^ | January 16, 2013 | Dana Bash

Posted on 01/16/2013 5:52:53 PM PST by neverdem

Unlike most issues these days that divide along party lines, the immediate fate of President Obama's new gun proposals will depend not as much on Republicans as his fellow Democrats in the Senate.

Senate Democratic leadership sources tell CNN that passing any new legislation will be extremely difficult because more than a dozen vulnerable Democrats from conservative states will probably resist much of what the president is pushing.

These Democratic sources say the most likely legislation to pass will be strengthening background checks, since it is the least overt form of gun control and it also appeals to gun rights advocates' emphasis on keeping guns away from people with mental health and criminal problems.

Although Senate Democrats like Dianne Feinstein will still make a high-profile push to renew the assault weapons ban and limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds, senior Democratic sources say it is hard to see those measures getting enough support to pass the Democratic-led Senate.

The focus is on the Senate because Senate Democratic leaders know that House Republicans will not act on anything until the Senate does.

Democratic leadership sources say they intend to spend next week -- the first week the Senate is in session -- canvassing red-state Democrats to see what, if anything, is doable. Democratic senators who advocate various gun control measures will be lobbying their colleagues as well.

At a certain point, Democratic leaders will decide the best course of action, if any...

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KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; donttreadonme; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/16/2013 5:53:00 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

No matter what happens, the Dems will not be blamed for anything. Remember, Democrats are always given credit (for anything) and the Republicans are always blamed (for everything). Got it?


2 posted on 01/16/2013 5:58:54 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: neverdem

CNN is so funny.

I guess Reid told them to make his minions look important.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 6:01:57 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: neverdem
Senate Democratic leaders know that House Republicans will not act on anything until the Senate does

This assumes that the House Republicans will just roll over on gun control.

4 posted on 01/16/2013 6:05:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: neverdem
The fact that this is even a topic of discussion amongst politicians and the media annoys the crap out of me and a lot of other folks.

If they persist, there may be some fairly rapid annoyance manifestations.

5 posted on 01/16/2013 6:07:03 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: originalbuckeye

The Dims got a problem getting their Dim Senators from states like Montana to pass any anti-gun legislation.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 6:08:43 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This assumes that the House Republicans will just roll over on gun control.

Mine won't and a few of the democrats in this state face a pretty dicey situation in dealing with gun control.
7 posted on 01/16/2013 6:10:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Steel

Exactly. It was easy for Obama to take on this fight because he doesn’t face reelection but he’s leaving a lot of democrats twisting in the wind.


8 posted on 01/16/2013 6:13:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem

Democrats in the United States Senate up for election in 2014:
Alaska - Mark Begich
Arkansas - Mark Pryor
Colorado - Mark Udall
Delaware - Chris Coons
Hawaii (special) - Brian Schatz
Illinois - Richard Durbin
Iowa - Tom Harkin
Louisiana - Mary Landrieu
Massachusetts - John Kerry
Michigan - Carl Levin
Minnesota - Al Franken
Montana - Max Baucus
New Hampshire - Jeanne Shaheen
New Jersey - Frank Lautenberg
New Mexico - Tom Udall
North Carolina - Kay Hagan
Oregon - Jeff Merkley
Rhode Island - Jack Reed
South Dakota - Tim Johnson
Virginia - Mark Warner
West Virginia - Jay Rockefeller


9 posted on 01/16/2013 6:15:07 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: neverdem

Ummm...
I needs to get out of the house first.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 6:16:34 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Red Steel

Reid doesn’t even want them to.
The whole purpose of what happens in the Senate will be to give Dem Senators a chance to vote against new disarmament laws.
...So they can look conservative to the voters.

Kabuki theater, a total farce.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 6:17:22 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: neverdem
Senate Democratic leaders know that House Republicans will not act on anything until the Senate does.

Sure, that makes sense. Why should the House bust their ass and pass a bill to the Senate if the Senate's just gonna sit on it?

Let the Senate get off their ass first.

12 posted on 01/16/2013 6:19:35 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Lots of major hunting states there (I know the 2nd isn’t about hunting but it matters)

Right off the top we can count Kerry as a full nazi vote, followed by Durbin, Franken most definitely, probably Brian Schatz, Jeanne Shaheen, Lautenberg, Reed, and probably the rest of the northeastern dems.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 6:21:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem

“Senate Democrats hold key to passage of gun legislation.”

And free men hold the key to it’s repeal if passed.


14 posted on 01/16/2013 6:21:28 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: neverdem

Funny, the FR ad above that I see is Reagan a Republican famous for supporting gun bans.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 6:22:05 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: neverdem
I don't care what they do.

The 2nd Amendment STANDS.

16 posted on 01/16/2013 6:24:19 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Bump THAT list! Thank you!!


17 posted on 01/16/2013 6:30:20 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Ooooh, Kay Hagan! I need to sit down and write a letter...


18 posted on 01/16/2013 6:37:11 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: neverdem

No matter how many times they repeat the talking points that somehow disarming the American public is “REASONABLE”, we have to counter that it really ISN’T.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 6:40:00 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

Nothing Obama said today has anything to do with stopping school shootings.


20 posted on 01/16/2013 6:48:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem

A couple of observations on today’s events and their impact on political action:

The President punted. If you read the official releases of what Obama will do, as opposed to what the press is reporting, you will see that today was a publicity stunt. He is making several proclamations, issuing some instructions to federal agencies, and telling Congress to act on all the hard stuff. No assault weapon ban, no high cap magazine ban, no end to private gun sales including gun shows. He put these in the too hard box and told Congress to handle. That’s what the law requires, of course, but when did he ever pay attention to the law. He’s done this because he knows his position is weak. The real polling, not the nonsense that the press is touting, tells him that this is a losing issue so he is trying to fool his base by making a bunch of noise, but he won’t take action. Not because he doesn’t want to, but because he realizes that the issue will hurt his cause.

If he knows it’s a losing issue then you can bet that Congress does as well. The Senate is not going to touch this either. They will honk and cough and strut around, but nothing will happen. Those poor folks in New York State and other liberal bastions will suffer, but the federal government won’t do much on the surface.

The biggest danger from the Feds is going to be in information gathering and sharing and in an attempt to expand the restrictions on gun ownership to a wide range of mental issues. Everyone can be proclaimed crazy, so that is a very real threat and will have to be watched carefully. You could conceivably go to the doctor for a flu shot and end up being declared a threat to society for some mental condition.

If Obama thought that he could have gotten away with it, he would have done much more today. The fact that he didn’t is telling.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 6:53:18 PM PST by centurion316
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To: neverdem

....Obamacare also depended heavily on Democrat votes....


22 posted on 01/16/2013 6:53:35 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: cripplecreek

I count ten on that list who need to be nowhere near 0.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 6:55:48 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: neverdem

Maybe Congressman Darrell Issa out to hold his next press conference about Fast and Furious with some widows and orphans of the hundreds of Mexican victims as backdrop. That would be very fitting.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 6:58:59 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: neverdem

“Senate Democratic leadership sources tell CNN that passing any new legislation will be extremely difficult because more than a dozen vulnerable Democrats....”

Dana, Ima let ya finish, but that is an outright admission that this is about political power, not anyone’s protection.

And you are either to stupid to see it, or most likely, think we are.


25 posted on 01/16/2013 7:11:24 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: neverdem
So once again the heretofore spineless, gutless Republicans have the opportunity to stand up and boldly declare that they are compelled to follow the example of our President when forced to register his vote and now must vote PRESENT. Then they must do what no politician, but every statesman realizes and sit the crap down and shut the hell up. But instead we will get equivocation and rationalization as to why we must support the bills before Congress. Makes me want to hurl........again.
26 posted on 01/16/2013 7:37:15 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: centurion316
. . . . end up being declared a threat to society for some mental condition.

Just like in the old USSR.

27 posted on 01/16/2013 7:50:34 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: neverdem

There’s enough RINOs in the Senate to allow a few vulnerable Donkeys to make a “safe” vote. In the House, there are enough RINOS to go with the fairly solid Donkeys to pass the bill. That’s what happened with the “cliff” bill. A majority of Republican reps voted NO, but it passed with a large majority of Donkeys voting for it, and enough RINOS to pass.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 8:50:54 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem

There’s enough RINOs in the Senate to allow a few vulnerable Donkeys to make a “safe” vote. In the House, there are enough RINOS to go with the fairly solid Donkeys to pass the bill. That’s what happened with the “cliff” bill. A majority of Republican reps voted NO, but it passed with a large majority of Donkeys voting for it, and enough RINOS to pass.


29 posted on 01/16/2013 8:51:14 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem

Senate Democrats hold key to NOTHING.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 8:53:20 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: neverdem

Does anybody seriously think the House will go for this? I don’t. Screw the rat senate.


31 posted on 01/16/2013 8:54:40 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: mylife
I needs to get out of the house first.,

Only bills for raising revenue need to start in the House, otherwise a bill can start in either House. Often ones like this, relatively small, start in both houses with different "authors", but identical language.

32 posted on 01/16/2013 8:55:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Thanks for clarification on that.


33 posted on 01/16/2013 9:05:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: centurion316
A couple of observations on today’s events and their impact on political action:

The President punted. If you read the official releases of what Obama will do, as opposed to what the press is reporting, you will see that today was a publicity stunt. He is making several proclamations, issuing some instructions to federal agencies, and telling Congress to act on all the hard stuff. No assault weapon ban, no high cap magazine ban, no end to private gun sales including gun shows. He put these in the too hard box and told Congress to handle. That’s what the law requires, of course, but when did he ever pay attention to the law. He’s done this because he knows his position is weak. The real polling, not the nonsense that the press is touting, tells him that this is a losing issue so he is trying to fool his base by making a bunch of noise, but he won’t take action. Not because he doesn’t want to, but because he realizes that the issue will hurt his cause.

If he knows it’s a losing issue then you can bet that Congress does as well. The Senate is not going to touch this either. They will honk and cough and strut around, but nothing will happen. Those poor folks in New York State and other liberal bastions will suffer, but the federal government won’t do much on the surface.

The biggest danger from the Feds is going to be in information gathering and sharing and in an attempt to expand the restrictions on gun ownership to a wide range of mental issues. Everyone can be proclaimed crazy, so that is a very real threat and will have to be watched carefully. You could conceivably go to the doctor for a flu shot and end up being declared a threat to society for some mental condition.

If Obama thought that he could have gotten away with it, he would have done much more today. The fact that he didn’t is telling.

Perfect analysis centurion. Obama punted big-time. He failed to even touch imports of arms, parts-kits and inexpensive ammo. And with existing precedent from Republican Presidents on curtailing those imports.
34 posted on 01/16/2013 9:10:50 PM PST by CaptSkip
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To: Wildbill22

The first common-sense change to the crazy-quilt of Gun Laws is to let folks fool around with hearing protectors (suppressors).


35 posted on 01/16/2013 9:11:52 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Graybeard58

I think the plan may be for the Senate to pass FineSwine’s bill, and then when the House fails to pass it, especially if they don’t vote on it, for The Won to implement it by EO, bashing the “Do Nothing”, “Obstructionist” Republican House and justifying it by “The Children Can’t Wait”.

It’s the way he works. Sort of like Lord North and King George.


36 posted on 01/16/2013 9:15:45 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This assumes that the House Republicans will just roll over on gun control.

Not most of them. 200 Republicans will vote NO. Unfortunately 28 Republicans will vote YES, along with 190 Democrats, leading to passage, and signing into law by Obama.

37 posted on 01/16/2013 9:34:11 PM PST by montag813
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To: neverdem

Even if no new laws pass we still have traitors in D.C and assorted states.


38 posted on 01/16/2013 9:55:12 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: mylife
"Ummm...
I needs to get out of the house first."

I thought legislation could only originate in the house to begin with.  The senate cannot even introduce any gun control legislation can they?  So then how are they gonna convince the Repubs that don't want anything to do with gun control legislation to begin with, to introduce gun control legislation. 

Heck, Boehner is such a chump, he may introduce legislation to repeal the 2nd Amendment so as to get ahead of the curve.  He really winces at the idea of  his colleague obama being unhappy with him.

39 posted on 01/16/2013 9:56:20 PM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch; El Gato

According to El Gato, if it is not a fiscal bill it can.
Wimpy R’s concern me more than anything.

You know the Dems ploy will be to make R’s look like they approve of killing innocent chiruns if they back the 2nd.

Of course that is just emotional theater.

Boehner does not give me confidence.


40 posted on 01/16/2013 10:06:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: KittenClaws
REMEMBER, GUN CONTROL FAILED IN CANADA BECAUSE THE PEOPLE REFUSED TO OBEY! GOOGLE AND READ UP ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN CANADA!

We must refuse, delay, sabotage, obstruct socialist obozo in any and every way we can. Now is also the time to join an organization such as www.oathkeepers.com. Check out their website and see for yourself. If you're current or veteran military, a law enforcement officer, fireman who has taken an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution against enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC, who took an oath not to follow an unlawful order to confiscate a citizen's
firearms, OR YOU ARE a man or woman who believes in the Constitution and your rights to own and bear arms, take a look at www.oathkeepers web site and join up. You will be in the good company of like-minded men and women, husbands and wives who have joined up. They have local state groups you can become a member of, and there is safety and power in numbers.

www.oathkeepers.com. These folks are keepers, and the time is now for such an organization.

41 posted on 01/16/2013 11:31:49 PM PST by itssme
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To: originalbuckeye
True but the republican’ts make it easy... when you stand for nothing... you fall down.

LLS

42 posted on 01/17/2013 3:23:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: centurion316
If Obama thought that he could have gotten away with it, he would have done much more today. The fact that he didn’t is telling.

I agree, but don't be lulled into thinking all is safe. I'm sure his advisors told him that sweeping 'reforms" was a losing deal that would only steel the People against him, they also told him that the pared down pap he presented could be used to "demonstrate" that he has no intention to step on the 2nd Amendment. Breat a sigh of relief at your own peril - he and his minions are more resolved than ever to disarm us.

43 posted on 01/17/2013 5:37:56 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: trebb
but don't be lulled into thinking all is safe.

Good advice, he will operate behind the seams and in the obscure nasty little folds of bureaucratic arcana to achieve his aims. Lisa Jackson over at EPA showed them the way and you can bet that the FBI, BATF, DOJ and others will use the same tactics.

44 posted on 01/17/2013 5:48:32 AM PST by centurion316
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To: 1066AD

Exactly! If you don’t love communism then you must be crazy.


45 posted on 01/17/2013 6:08:15 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: neverdem

In the end, this will all be used to bludgeon Republicans in the mid-term elections. It will give the dems the House and Senate. That is the real goal...not letting the crisis go to waste and all. Oba’s own words regarding Sandy Hook.


46 posted on 01/17/2013 6:40:07 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Wildbill22

“Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” - James Madison.

Thus far they have the first two, and are working on the third.


47 posted on 01/17/2013 6:58:20 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: CaptSkip

Obama is simply using the crisis to further the division in the repub party. He’s pandering to his base and will demonize the republicans going into the midterms. He really cant lose..


48 posted on 01/17/2013 8:30:09 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: neverdem

All of them need to be fired.


49 posted on 01/17/2013 9:25:59 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: CaptainKrunch
I thought legislation could only originate in the house to begin with. The senate cannot even introduce any gun control legislation can they?

Only measures for raising revenue must start the House. The "fiscal cliff bill" was a Senate Amendment to the bill the House had passed in August, so even though it raised revenue, it was really originated in the Senate, but it technically was a House bill.

Article I, Section. 7. Constitution for the United States

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

So yes they can introduce any gun legislation they wish, and Senator FineSwine (Fienstien) will do that on the 22nd, the first day bills can be filed in the Senate. I'd have thought the text would have leaked by now, but I can't find it if it did.

Her summary is below:

Summary of 2013 legislation Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

120 specifically-named firearms;

Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;

Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and

Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:

Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;

Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and

Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

Background check of owner and any transferee;

Type and serial number of the firearm;

Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and

Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.


PDF version

If you have a strong stomach, here's what she has said on the subject:

YouTube Video Link

Above summary and links to other statements she's made on the subject

What she doesn't say above is that by defining "pistol grip" as any feature that serves as grip, the law would ban all semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines, even those with fixed magazines if they hold more than 10 rounds. Tubular .22 magazines excepted.

50 posted on 01/17/2013 8:34:59 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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