Skip to comments.Rep. Israel to Introduce Legislation to Prohibit 3-D Printed High-Cap Mags Along w/ Plastic Guns
Posted on 01/16/2013 3:07:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
As Debate Stirs Around High-Capacity Gun Clips, Homemade Gun Enthusiasts Show Clip Can be Made At Home with 3-D Printer
Washington, D.C. Today, Congressman Steve Israel (D-Huntington) called for a renewal of a revamped Undetectable Firearms Act that includes the ban of 3-D printed, plastic high-capacity magazines. The existing ban on plastic guns expires this year and does not clearly cover magazines. This past weekend, Defense Distributed, a group of homemade gun enthusiasts used a 3-D printer to print and test an ammunition magazine for an AR semi-automatic rifle, loading and firing 86 rounds from the 30-round clip.
Rep. Israel said, Background checks and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print high-capacity magazines at home. 3-D printing is a new technology that shows great promise, but also requires new guidelines. Law enforcement officials should have the power to stop high-capacity magazines from proliferating with a Google search.(continued)
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What we really need are published templates to cut and form sheet metal into magazines. Some company could sell tempered springs; I doubt there is a law against springs, yet.
Oh,this is just too delicious.
America, land of the free.
Are they going to make it a felony to own a 3d printer?
Will you have to register your 3d printer with the U.S Govt. dept. of Printing?
Banning the printing press worked great the last time.
Well, we will just truck along perfecting the technology with entirely legal mags that will be designed to be easy to extent should the need ever arise.
Marketing coup possibility: Can a NewYork-compliant 7 round AR magazine be the first to market???
Next up, 64 oz cups.
How about a 7 round magazine of 7 round magazines.
Remind me how the Roman Empire felt about its subject peoples having the tools to make swords, spears and bows.
“3-D printing is a new technology that shows great promise, but also requires new guidelines.”
Don’t you just love how malleable and plastic the meaning of words is to a liberal (er, now “progressive”)?? But the “guidelines” are not suggestions, for if this fascist has his way, if anyone violates his “guidelines”, they might end up a felon. So liberal “guidelines” now come with men with guns. I see.
Hey, the Soviet Russians made it illegal to own a regular copier or fax machine, why can’t the Soviet Americans do the same thing wrt more advanced technology?/s;)
...gun enthusiasts...loading and firing 86 rounds from the 30-round clip.
What does this mean? Was it a 30 or 86 round mag they printed?
...revamped Undetectable Firearms Act that Rep. Israel wrote makes it illegal to manufacture, own, transport, buy, or sell any firearm or high-capacity magazine that is not detectable by metal detector and/or does not present an accurate image when put through an x-ray machine....
So his bill really has nothing to do with 3D printing a mag, it’s really about ALL mags that don’t show up on an x-ray machine.
Do OEM plastic mags show up on an x-ray?
Millions of men have the skills and the tools in their garage to make steel mags. Just buy 10 round mags, cut, splice and weld together. Spot weld the springs.
AR 30-Round Magazines Now Available for Download, Seriously
This is my Congresscritter. He’s a tool.
Congresscritters rarely realize that regular citizens built this country, the cars, the roads, the nuclear weapons for the military.... We're the ones that build that stuff. It doesn't come from some magic place.
We need to restart HUAC ~ start hauling these guys in to tell us about their communist party activities.
Duh. Now, guess we are going to have to register our printers, too.
Hey, congressman jerkface.
I’ll do it anyway. Try and stop me.
Their parliament fixed that one ~ remember, part of Yemen is the first communist country to be liberated! That way you get a little bit of this and little bit of that and some of it is just incomprehensible. BTW, well dressed men arrive at a soiree with freshly polished RPGs
It would appear the Law of Unintended Consequences is gonna get a real workout.
I hope that Israel understands that Israel would be dead meat with the type of gun control he supports.
As to this, he’s just whistling into the wind. There is NO WAY that this Congress will pass ANYTHING resembling gun control. Even the Dems are scared to death of this issue.
This is truly what 2A is for.
Is this the same guy who proposed outlawing masturbation?
‘64 oz cups’
I own one of those. I don’t travel to NYC at all.
It strikes me that an undetectable anti-tank mine with EFP can be easily printed off one of these things.
Will blow an M1, and will make flying dust of smaller things.
The mag depots are long since saturated.
And then not just release them into the water again, but hang them.
Same here! How do you like the nerve of this creep. We need “guidelines” from asshats like him. He couldn’t change the batteries in a flashlight if his life depended on it. But he’s one great whore of a politician. One of them should introduce a bill to keep these idiots away from television and newspapers. Dem Congresscritters should be kept pure and ignorant - like canaries!
“Hey, the Soviet Russians made it illegal to own a regular copier or fax machine,”
Their copier machines made TWO copies - one for you, one for the “keyski operator” (aka KGB agent) to have, removable from inside under lock and key That’s how “dangerous” they were.
Or how about a 30-shot revolver?
I’m sure it would be alot cheaper to just buy a welder and make your own from a little bit of sheet metal and a spring. There’s nothing sensational about a 3D printed magazine. I’d be more impressed when they can start layering metal with extreme precision and can make small metal parts. That’ll be much more useful.
You said it, rex! Man, but I can’t stand Steve Israel. He’s like a discount store Bloomberg. I tell you — one day I hope to be represented in Congress by someone for whom I actually voted.
But I’ll have to move away for that to happen.
PS: I see you like Latin. Do you attend St. Matthew’s church by any chance? (That’s my parish; we go to the Latin Mass there.)
I’m sure that’s coming. We won’t recognize industry 10 years from now.
You can make your own springs by wrapping piano wire around a dowel
Sorry for the delay. I know what you mean. The last time I had a Congressman I voted for was in the early 80’s!
P.S. — St Hugh of Lincoln.
I think it was in the Karate Kid original movie, it was mentioned that the Okinawans were forbidden from having swords and spears, so they developed karate - fighting with their bare hands. Dn't know if this is true. But anyway, despotic governments never learn, that people will find the way to arm themselves, somehow, some way. Obamites may stop us from buying arms, but we'll make our own.
Direct Metal Laser Sintering - I don’t know if the result is suitable for use in a magazine, what little I know about sintered metal is that it might be too brittle, but these things are progressing rapidly.
3-D printer ping
(This one’s a little late)....
“Law enforcement officials should have the power to stop high-capacity magazines from proliferating with a Google search.”
Guess what? It doesn’t matter what you think they should have the power to do. The technology is here and you can’t stop it. Neener neener neener!
“What does this mean? Was it a 30 or 86 round mag they printed?”
It was a 30 round mag, but I think they just fired 86 rounds using the printed mag in that videotaped test.
Springs are nothing but mandrel bent piano wire.
Just bend it *once*. Pud easy.
Sounds too me like a candidate for home making frangible bullets.
Very soon I expect people will come up with a new 3D printed caseless ammo, whole thing is printed, fill with powder and add primer. A longer lighter bullet because the case is part of the bullet, and it disintegrates upon impact, nothing but sintered metal fragments, much like the new varmint bullets.