[skeeter]

Seriously Jonah?

Did I just imagine Boehners pre-budget deal committee Putsch?

[sickoflibs]

RE “It’s still good advice. It’s not that the GOP isn’t conservative enough, it’s that it isn’t tactically smart or persuasive enough to move the rest of the nation in a more conservative direction. Moreover, thanks in part to the myth that all that stands between conservatives and total victory is a philosophically pure GOP, party leaders suffer from a debilitating lack of trust — some of it well earned — from the rank and file.
But politics is about persuasion, and a party consumed by the need to prove its purity to its base is going to have a very hard time proving anything else to the rest of the country. “

This is the money quote. I been pointing this unfortunate fact out for a while, like 2 years now..
Dems are not doing this(what Rs are on this) , they are more concerned with winning, with beating Rs then playing silly games.

Its all about getting voters on your side, and against the other side. Dems now always win because they know this.

Its delusional to believe that Bohner or McConnell(uggh) , or even Newt in 2005/2006 wont cave when public opinion turns against the GOP, or that someone would try to get weak Bohner's job. He is the goat.
That delusion leads to a a few protest fantasy votes for Donald Duck as Speaker, and loss after loss.

So each confrontation results in the same repeatable pattern
: 1) public Boasting (’we wont give an inch this time!’) ,
2) symbolic votes that never see law,
3) caving to O,
3)circular firing squad ('That darn Bohner sold us out again') ,
4) GOP”s approval takes another dive.

[LibLieSlayer]

RUSH LIMBAUGH has it right.

The Conservative movement does not have a leader... not a leader that is articulate, dedicated, capable of explaining, educating and convincing Americans that we are correct and able to gain respect or trust from the “low information” voter.

LLS

[oldbrowser]

But politics is about persuasion, and a party consumed by the need to prove its purity to its base is going to have a very hard time proving anything else to the rest of the country.

I see this as a tactical weakness in the GOP.
The marxists have a goal in mind and are willing to accept an incremental movement toward their goal. Over the last century they have inched their way toward the goal line when in the opposition and made giant gains when in control.

The GOP, not so much.

[Timber Rattler]

The Rockefeller Republicans were purged from the GOP decades ago.

Oh really> Then what is Mitt Romney?

[EricT.]

American conservatism began as a kind of intellectual hobbyists’ group with little hope of changing the broader society. Albert Jay Nock, the cape-wearing libertarian intellectual — he called himself a “philosophical anarchist” — who inspired a very young William F. Buckley Jr., argued that political change was impossible because the masses were rubes, goons, fools, or sheep, victims of the eternal tendency of the powerful to exploit the powerless.

The last election was proof that Nock was correct.

To listen to many grassroots conservatives, the GOP establishment is a cabal of weak-kneed sellouts who regularly light votive candles to a poster of liberal Republican icon Nelson Rockefeller.

I'm still waiting for some verifiable evidence to support this statement.

[Lake Living]

Sorry, Jonah, this is a stinking pile of manure. “American conservatism began as a kind of intellectual hobbyists’ group with little hope of changing the broader society.” What kind of statement is that? American conservatism began with the Mayflower Compact and went on to the Declaration of Independence. It wasn’t a group of hobbyists that sacrificed everything they had to come to these shore in search of religious freedom. It was passionate Christians in a love relationship with their God willing to risk it all. Finally, in the last paragraph we get to the “real” agenda, “...the myth that all that stands between conservatives and total victory is a philosophically pure GOP…” The founders had a back bone, thank you very much, and among this lot we’d be hard pressed to find one vertebra. Jonah’s problem is that he has never met the God of the pilgrims and never wants to - but his day is coming. The King is coming and he doesn’t need a good PR campaign. We’ll see who wins the day then. In the mean time, the GOP needs to decide what they are going to be - limp wrist pretty boys - or real men passionate for the truth and willing to die for it if that time should come. So far it doesn’t look good.

[Yosemitest]

" It’s not that the GOP isn’t conservative enough,
it’s that it isn’t tactically smart or persuasive enough to move the rest of the nation in a more conservative direction.
Moreover, thanks in part to the myth
that all that stands between conservatives and total victory is a philosophically pure GOP,
party leaders suffer from a debilitating lack of trust — some of it well earned — from the rank and file.

— Jonah Goldberg "

I disagree in party.
It IS "that the GOP is NOT conservative enough" and that's VERY CLEAR !

A "philosophically pure GOP" would go a long way to clean up this HELL we now live in, but it's not "ALL that stands between conservatives and total victory".
What else is needed is fortitude to stand and fight!

I read a great article by Sheriff Jim R. Schwiesow, Ret. written February 4, 2011 from "NewsWithViews.com" and here's part of it.

COMPROMISE – A DIRTY WORD
Compromise – is defined as:
“A middle way between two extremes”

If this is a literally correct definition, and I believe that it is,
what then are we to do when the two extremes at the opposite ends of the plane are
that which is moral
and that which is immoral?
Is it possible that a righteous compromise can be accomplished
when such a compromise, by the very definition of the word, must contain the elements of an extreme that is in and of itself evil or wicked ?

Compromise is as old as humanity;
compromise began as a human endeavor to attempt to escape the penalty for the transgression of God’s laws
and to mitigate or contravene the absoluteness of God’s word.
Compromise is man’s way
to lessen the seriousness of disobedience to immutable laws and dictums,
or to excuse or condone such disobedience altogether.
No good thing comes from compromise.
Man’s accommodation of transgressions by compromise is not a defense for iniquitous acts in the eyes of God.
Compromise is the devil’s invention;
God who is perfect in every way will not be conciliated by the conditions of a compromise.

Compromise was introduced into the lives of men in the Garden of Eden by that serpent of old, Satan,
and will remain with men until the Lord Jesus Christ brings this world to an end - which He will inevitable do - and establishes His Kingdom.

THE FRUITS OF COMPROMISE
Most people have come to believe
that compromise is a useful tool
and that the negotiations thereof have brought about good things and useful policies.
If one examines that belief closely it soon becomes apparent that
there are no useful results that accrue to negotiated compromise on any level.
In fact most often
compromise actually breeds dissention and strife,
which in turn leads to more compromise.
In short compromise feeds upon itself and eats up that which is just and right in the process.

To live in a world of compromise is to live in a world without absolutes,
and yet we know that the entire universe as well as the lives of men are managed, controlled, and kept within irrevocable bounds by the absolutes established by Almighty God.
We violate those bounds, via compromise of any kind, at our peril.

Political negotiations (compromise) in regard
to the step down from the safeguarding of the sanctity of life
and from the immutable right granted by God to be defended against being murdered -
as set forth in the sixth commandment
- has enabled an American medical assassination machine
that has claimed nearly double the number of lives of the combined number of military and civilian deaths attributable to World War II.

The killing of innocent babies has reached record heights.
The lives of twenty-four percent of all unborn babies are delivered into the hands of the serial killers of the medical community.
A baby is murdered every twelve seconds,
and it is estimated that in this country alone there have been ninety-two million living beating hearts stilled by the bloody hands of the legal abortionists.
This conspiracy to commit murder,
this aiding and abetting of murder,
this disconnect between the forbidden pre-meditated murder of living adults and the sanctioned pre-meditated murder of living babies
has been wrought by a politically mediated compromise between
those who claim the right to murder babies
and those who know God’s absolute prohibition of murder.
And there is more.

Now continuing…compromise on morality resulted in the condoning of, and an exponential increase in, the filthy - God condemned - practice of sodomy and promiscuous sex.
For every compromise of God’s word a penalty is exacted.
Aids rapidly achieved endemic proportions, first in the United States and then in the rest world.
We were told that Aids was a disease of monkeys that had migrated to men.
The inventiveness of the scientific community and the political apologizers who defend such appalling and execrable behavior
often find fertile ground in the credulous minds of a spiritually deprived people.
I’m not done.

POLITICAL COMPROMISE CONTINUES TO DESTROY THE REPUBLIC
Today as never before in our history the dishonorable who control our social destiny via their political intrigues
subject the nation to a slow death by way of political compromise.

Compromise through ill-conceived trade agreements has destroyed domestic industry and extinguished millions of jobs.
Compromise on sound financial practices has destroyed the housing market, seriously damaged the economy and crippled small businesses.
Compromise on immigration has demolished the social structure, bankrupted state and local governments, critically imperiled national security and jeopardized the safety and well-being of the people.
And compromise on moral integrity has corrupted the youth, encouraged extreme vice and given license to social prurience.

THE BEGINNING OF THE END
In a recent article I wrote
that from this time forward
the people of this nation will not know a day of peace,
there will be no good news, each bad day will fade into another equally bad day,
and the black and ghostly apparitions of the former will blend with the grim and ghastly tidings of the new.
The Lord has departed from a people that have departed from Him and prostituted themselves before heathen gods,
a people who will in the coming days loathe themselves for the evils that they have committed in all of their abominations.
They will surely know that He is the Sovereign God who will carry out His word
to do evil unto them that defy His word and deny His Lordship over all of creation.

As I write this piece
the nation is seized by a 2,000 mile long arctic blast of an unprecedented magnitude;
each season delivers devastation of Biblical proportions.
Tornadoes ravage, floods inundate, conflagrations gobble up thousands of acres of trees and foliage and lumbering mudslides follow in the wake of these,
hurricanes terrify the coasts, and hail, ice, and snow bring cities and towns to a standstill.
Truly the day of the Lord is at hand.

One who reads these words and does NOT understand or relate to that which has been written
can be thought to possess one or more of the following character deficiencies:
deep perversion, callous indifference, abysmal illiteracy, or appalling ignorance.

Believers in God’s word know
that ignorance of a secular kind is directly attributable to a lack of spiritual discernment.

Solomon gives a litany of dangers that await the man who lacks Spiritual discernment:

“To deliver thee from the way of the evil man, from the man that speaketh froward things;
Who leave the paths of uprightness,
to walk in the ways of darkness;
Who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the frowardness of the wicked;
Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:
To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;
Which forsaketh the guide of her youth, and forgetteth the covenant of her God.
For her house inclineth unto death, and her paths unto the dead.
None that go unto her return again,
neither take they hold of the paths of life.
That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous.
For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.”
[Proverbs 2:12-22]

A modern translation:

"Wicked and perverse men are scattered like land mines across the paths of our lives.
Without discernment we will soon be following them into the dark of destruction.
The adulteress, every man’s worse nightmare, will seduce those who cannot see past her beauty and promises.
Behind her attraction lies the steps that descend to hell.
No one who goes to her returns,
but how can anyone know this apart from God Himself telling us."
[Proverbs 2:12-22]

Read Compromise Is a Dirty Word for Club for Growth.

Take a good long look at where "Establishment Republicans" ALWAYS take us.

[familyop]

The Myth of a GOP Successful While Working for Misogamists (family-haters) and the Sexually Confused

Go ahead. Try it for another few terms. The sure way to small government is default. The “progressive” big spenders of both political parties are headed that way.

[BlackElk]

ping for later

[TennesseeProfessor]

The big issue I see is that a large fraction of democrat politicians are ideologically committed to a cause. Look at ObamaCare — it was (and still is) deeply unpopular. Yet the democrats were willing to sacrifice their careers to put it into place. A Republican was elected to Massachusetts specifically because he promised to do what he could to stop Obamacare from being passed — but even with such clear warning that it was deeply unpopular, the deomocrats passed it anyway, and several of them lost elections (or didn’t try for reelection) because of exactly that.

Just imagine what our country would be like if the Republicans were as deeply committed to individual liberty, and as willing to make sacrifices for it, as the Democrats were for big government.

[GeronL]

myth?

It is no myth

[headstamp 2]

Republicans are always reactive instead of being proactive like the Democrats are.

There is no teaching or persuasion going on with consevatism. Long ago the liberals realized they needed to control the education system and then the narrative regarding their agenda.