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Tough Path Seen by Obama on Ban of Assault Arms
New York Times ^ | January 10, 2013 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR and PETER BAKER

Posted on 01/10/2013 11:10:34 PM PST by Seizethecarp

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White House appears to be using NY Times to signal that Obama is throwing in the towel on "assault weapons" ban as being achievable and that executive orders will be confined to "limited measures."

Phone lines must have all burned up in DC!

1 posted on 01/10/2013 11:10:38 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Beware the media ploys designed to diffuse just rebellion.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 11:14:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Chalk one up for the “bitter clingers”!


3 posted on 01/10/2013 11:15:10 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

All he’s got to do is subvert the Constitution some more.

No problem. :)


4 posted on 01/10/2013 11:19:03 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Obama will do an executive order calling for the confiscation of firearms..Obama is the closest thing to Hitler that I have ever seen its downright scary


5 posted on 01/10/2013 11:20:21 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Seizethecarp

If Obama took ‘Executive Action’ on gun control, what might he do?
http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/01/10/35577/if-obama-took-executive-action-on-gun-control-what/


6 posted on 01/10/2013 11:25:55 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If Hitler were Black, we would all be speaking German.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 11:28:37 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: Gene Eric
Beware the media ploys designed to diffuse just rebellion.

I think you're spot on with that thought.
They don't ever give up.

8 posted on 01/10/2013 11:29:31 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Obama will do an executive order calling for the confiscation of firearms..Obama is the closest thing to Hitler that I have ever seen its downright scary

They have the beginnings of a national database just by pulling in every form ATF 4473 and starting with those people. If you bought a gun since 1968, you filled out a 4473. There is a record. The ATF is not supposed to have this data, but I'll bet they do.

9 posted on 01/10/2013 11:29:55 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I think the huge gun and ammunition sales emptying out the market pipeline for six months out has caused Obama to surrender. The 2nd amendment still works!

I also suspect that Democrats around long enough to remember their route in 1994 are now scared to death of their prospects of holding the senate in 2014, should the NRA go after the purple state candidates on this issue.

When the Biden committee was appointed the emotional reaction of the low-information and gun-grabbing knee-jerk liberals was still high, but all of that intensity has dissipated back to the pre-Sandy baseline, from what I see in the media.

It looks to me that the Biden meetings did NOT go well for the gun-grabbing agenda and focused more on preemptively locking up suicidal nut-cases before they reach full rampage mode as well as arming school staff and providing whatever armed security can be afforded.

The image of sitting duck teachers throwing themselves in front of their kids will cause any sane person, including even a lot of liberals, to think they would have been better off if they had their own defensive weapons in the school and the training to use the weapons.

The whole country has been educated on the extensive use of armed guards at schools in many parts of the country.

10 posted on 01/10/2013 11:32:11 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: The Cajun

“They don’t ever give up.”

But they do drop back and punt!

Bullies back down when stood up to! That was the intent of the 2A and it appears to have worked again, IMO.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 11:34:42 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: tpmintx
If you bought a gun since 1968, you filled out a 4473. There is a record

No, I haven't. My "little" arsenal was all procured through private individuals here in Texas.

12 posted on 01/10/2013 11:35:40 PM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: Seizethecarp
They won't get what they want, but they will get an inch or two more probably, knowing the Republicans propensity for caving on everything.
That is an inch or two they should not get.
13 posted on 01/10/2013 11:42:04 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Seizethecarp

I wish there was an effective pro-gun promotion. I think the NRA has been ineffective in this area.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 11:45:00 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: The Cajun

There are clearly states like NY and CA that are so far gone that only future court action will be able to reverse any gains that the grabbers make from this episode...provided that the republic survives that long.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 11:45:21 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: The Cajun; Gene Eric; Seizethecarp

Agree! Who would have thought Bill Ayers would have resurfaced after all these years? Answer: He’s been there all along. With others. How many generations have been infected with their America hating, Marxist, totalitarian ideology since they began?
*Never* turn your back to an enemy.


16 posted on 01/10/2013 11:48:16 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: Seizethecarp

Look for a EO which restricts import weapons not suitable for “sporting purposes”, an added tax on ammo, language that orders stricter law enforcement procedures and enforcement, waiting periods, mag size limits, closing gun show “loophole” and, above all, Obama will stress his appointment of a “bipartisan study group” to recommend further actions to determine mental capability, the effects of media violence and recommendations. This will all be bragged about at a news conference of “doing what I can” but the “study group” will never materialize. Only gun controls will ever be enacted.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 11:51:11 PM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: Conservative4Ever

The NRA seems to be “moderate” in that it is non-partisan with Democratic, GOP, Libertarian and independent supporters and it downplays the right to resist tyranny as a primary “in your face” reason for the 2A (too offensive to Democrats), although that right is certainly implied.

How many Democrat NRA members have gone on TV this week to say “I don’t see any reason for more than a few rounds in a magazine for hunting”? The NRA still wants to collect dues from these morons.

But the NRA seems to me to have been very effective in the use of their carrots (money for campaign contributions) and their stick (threat of funding primary opposition).


18 posted on 01/10/2013 11:53:41 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

What is he doing while you are looking here?

TT


19 posted on 01/11/2013 12:16:55 AM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: Seizethecarp

Yup, and the SCOTUS under Justice Roberts will strike down the blatantly unconstitutional obastardcare. Yup.

Read your Sun Tzu, people...


20 posted on 01/11/2013 12:33:37 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Barry is figuring out that enforcement might just be more than he can manage.

Even some of the democrap underground Obamabots are threatening to revolt.

21 posted on 01/11/2013 1:12:16 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Seizethecarp; All
The 100,000 new NRA members who signed on in only 18 days are not sending a message which supports surrender.

Have you joined yet?

22 posted on 01/11/2013 1:15:51 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Seizethecarp
Each year, Less than 100 people get murdered in mass shootings

compare that to the 2.5 million home invasions per year.

Compare that to the 300,000 women that get raped each year.

So “we” don't “Have to do something about it” as it doesn't exist (statically it doesn't).

The news media and other democrats use a statistically nonexistent fluke to take away our individual rights and freedom.

over 100,000 Americans die each year in just accidents.

23 posted on 01/11/2013 1:35:50 AM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Seizethecarp

oh, how cute. the (former) coke dealer wants to be tough on guns

aww... how cute he looks playing like he cares about law and order instead of his rabid desire to destroy the country.

who’s a stubble headed marxist? you are... yes, you are! aww....


24 posted on 01/11/2013 1:59:59 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

First smile I’ve cracked all day.


25 posted on 01/11/2013 2:04:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Gene Eric

I sort of like the idea of publishing all the names addresses phone numbers as well as tweet e-mail accounts etc of all the gun grabbers out there and maybe their wives and kids too.
Sort of put some back pressure on them


26 posted on 01/11/2013 2:06:00 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Seizethecarp

This will all either land up in the courts and be tied up there or be a possible “flashpoint” to a future angry blowback.


27 posted on 01/11/2013 2:27:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: TexasRedeye

Which with the advances of the internet will bipass all that.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 2:41:25 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Lazamataz

I think the opportunity of another “crisis” to promote a continuing leftist agenda item was taken as it was available.

It took focus off Obama failures in Lybian protection, lack of a budget, Cabinet failures, the start of Socialized Medicince, and Syrian dalliances.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 2:43:36 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: Gene Eric

But just rebellion will take place all the same.


30 posted on 01/11/2013 2:43:53 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: KC Burke
I think the opportunity of another “crisis” to promote a continuing leftist agenda item was taken as it was available.

The timing and content of this crisis informs me that it was not a natural, coincident happening.

A madman starts shooting kindergarteners? Two weeks before Christmas? Two weeks after Emperor Obama's re-coronation?

It was the work of bad men in power who orchestrated it; OR it was the direct hand of Satan.

31 posted on 01/11/2013 2:49:27 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

Evil is on the loose that is certain.


32 posted on 01/11/2013 2:57:39 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: Seizethecarp

DON’T listen to what Obama SAYS.

Watch what he DOES.

The man is a master of political tyranny and knows exactly how to tweak ALL the buttons and achieve his objectives.

This is the guy who rammed through the Obamacare bill in the face of overwhelming public opposition.

This is the CONGRESS which approved his fiscal bill in spite of public opposition to increased taxes and RE-ELECTED a damn useless traitor as leader - John and Boehner.

Don’t trust ANY of them!!! They are a nest of snakes. KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THIS BASTARD.


33 posted on 01/11/2013 3:02:10 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Are you aware of the Freeper named sarabaracuda that has been demoralizing 2A supporters on here lately?


34 posted on 01/11/2013 3:11:08 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: TexasRedeye

I think you are correct. They will pull back from the “assault weapon” meme and now start using the “non-sporting purposes” restriction language.

Which you and I know that the 2nd amendment does not address hunting or sporting.


35 posted on 01/11/2013 3:21:56 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Seizethecarp

What is the best way to prevent rapists and other assailants from attacking and hurtling you? You take away their ability to do so in advance. The problem is that it’s often difficult to identify them in advance, so it often results in having to physically defend oneself and physically incapacitate the attacker during the attack.

So, here are the cold hard facts: the gun grabbers are nothing more than the assailants and rapists. When we are able to identify them in advance, we take away their ability to harm us, by not voting for them, or not approving their appointment to administrative positions in government where they can harm us. But when they get into those offices in spite of our best attempts, and they begin their attacks, it is up to us to fend off their attacks the best way we can. That’s when it must get physical. And then we must not merely counter attack against their weapons (the jack-booted thugs that come after us with more powerful assault weapons than they want us to have so we can’t defend ourselves), but we must get physical against the aggressors themselves. We must make up our minds and be strong enough to focus on them physically to disarm them and take away their ability to disarm us.
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36 posted on 01/11/2013 3:53:43 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Real Cynic No More

If we actually do prevent the gun grabbers’ best efforts from being successful, it will be because they fear for themselves the repercussions of what may result. There have been too many folks out there who have advocated violent resistance, to cause the grabbers to hesitate. But below the tip of the iceberg represented by each of those few brave souls who have voiced their intent to resist are likely thousands more who are silent and unknown.

I think this may be why many are cautiously optimistic - but prepared, just in case.


37 posted on 01/11/2013 4:03:53 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Seizethecarp

“That could conceivably...reduce gun deaths.”

Inconceivable!


38 posted on 01/11/2013 4:14:05 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Seizethecarp
"...the White House has calculated that a ban on military-style assault weapons will be exceedingly difficult to pass through Congress and is focusing on other measures it deems more politically achievable."

How about focusing on measures that are... um... CONSTITUTIONAL?

39 posted on 01/11/2013 4:43:43 AM PST by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: Seizethecarp

Don’t chalk anything up yet.

Round One hasn’t even begun yet.


40 posted on 01/11/2013 5:27:14 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Lazamataz
“It was the work of bad men in power who orchestrated it; OR it was the direct hand of Satan.”

I agree...I believe it was all brought about by the governments social engineering...the culture we have is the result of years of assault on the church and anything that resembles moral standerds that our children need to keep them from eating each other...I say, if the government is going to decide what the rules of life are going to be then they MUST acept the responsibility when the chickens come home to roost...

“You reap what you sow.”

41 posted on 01/11/2013 5:29:13 AM PST by unread (Eagles don't eat flys...)
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To: Seizethecarp

A Task Force led by Joe Biden.

Anything led by Joe Biden is led by Jod Biden is pretty much a waste of time.

Obama has already decided what he will do and Joe is just a cover for him. Somene to blame it on.

Poor Joe hasn’t figured that out yet, He still thinks he is impotent. LMAO Spelling done on purpose.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 5:29:54 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Lazamataz

We are in a period of time in which the “spiritual warfare” between Heaven vs. Hell, which has been ongoing will get worse over the course of time until the “end of the age.”


43 posted on 01/11/2013 5:40:43 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
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44 posted on 01/11/2013 5:56:01 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Seizethecarp

Obama, worst emperor ever. Any emperor worthy of ruling would have already written the decree to confiscate guns. But Obama is timid so he has Biden out there wasting his valuable time and talent on meetings with NRA, Walmart, etc to make it look like he is seriously considering his course of action.


45 posted on 01/11/2013 6:10:26 AM PST by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Joe Boucher

“I sort of like the idea of publishing all the names addresses phone numbers as well as tweet e-mail accounts etc of all the gun grabbers out there and maybe their wives and kids too.
Sort of put some back pressure on them.”

It’s called ostracism. Businesses refuse to sell them food, clothing and shelter. But you need an organized community to pull it off, and organization is a tactic that conservatives haven’t discovered yet.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 6:36:16 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Lazamataz
OR it was the direct hand of Satan.

I'm going with that explanation.

47 posted on 01/11/2013 6:48:10 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Seizethecarp

Newsmax

NRA Calls Biden Meeting ‘Attack on Second Amendment’
Thursday, January 10, 2013 04:54 PM

By: Todd Beamon

The president of the National Rifle Association said on Thursday that there was no negotiation with the Obama administration on gun rights in an effort to stem violence in the wake of the shootings at a Connecticut elementary school last month.

“There isn’t on guns,” NRA President David Keene told CNN. “There is not on guns, not that I can see.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/NRA-second-amendment-Biden/2013/01/10/id/470916


48 posted on 01/11/2013 6:56:31 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: TexasRedeye

While my son was at Fort Hood he made a number of purchases for the family.


49 posted on 01/11/2013 7:50:44 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: tpmintx

**** If you bought a gun since 1968, you filled out a 4473. There is a record. The ATF is not supposed to have this data, but I’ll bet they do. ***

They must have lots of records on me! I bought guns from 1968 through 2000. Problem is I have moved several times, and sold off most of them when I got hungry enough.
I wish I had all of them back now!


50 posted on 01/11/2013 8:33:11 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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