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The Latest Perils of Obamacare
Citizens Council For Health Freedom ^ | 1-9-13 | Twila Brase

Posted on 01/10/2013 5:14:54 AM PST by TurboZamboni

The latest perils of Obamacare have been revealed. The law is going to be more painful than many experts predicted. Besides the negative impact on quality of care, there will also be significant cost increases leading to reduced access to health insurance and patient care.

Huge Premium Increases. The New York Times just reported double-digit increases coming for health insurance. The reporter reminded readers that "one of the biggest objectives" of the Obama administration's law was to "stem the rapid rise in insurance costs for consumers."

Before he was elected, Mr. Obama promised a $2,500 reduction in family premiums in his first term, but premiums went up by $3.065. Now that Obamacare has passed, we know that what's in it, among many other painful realities, are even higher premiums. Mark Bertolini, CEO at Aetna, predicts health insurance premiums will double for small businesses and individuals. I predict more people to drop their insurance and pay the penalty.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: exchange; mn; obamacare

1 posted on 01/10/2013 5:15:06 AM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Dropping private insurance is one of the most important things to Obama and he is happily skipping along to accomplish that.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 5:17:04 AM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero

When this thing really get rolling people are going to sh—


3 posted on 01/10/2013 5:23:35 AM PST by Venturer
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To: TurboZamboni
RE :”Before he was elected, Mr. Obama promised a $2,500 reduction in family premiums in his first term, but premiums went up by $3.065. “

That is because up till 2013 the bill forced insurers to pay for lots of freebees, which it turns out where not free at all, on top of rising costs that were expected anyway.

But the real test will be when Dem states set-up those exchanges, or let the Feds do it. Then we will see what the care is like and how much it costs.

Someone should keep track of all employers who reduce employees hours due to this

4 posted on 01/10/2013 5:29:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: Venturer

So true....

And what lame excuse will he/reps come up with....

I guess even after they read it they didn’t understand it, will be one....


5 posted on 01/10/2013 5:30:23 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: TurboZamboni

Just keep fighting your local medico and make it as difficult as you can on them to implement this bs.

I hate it but I am not the one who made MY dr. the tip of THEIR spear....


6 posted on 01/10/2013 5:34:10 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: TurboZamboni

obamacare was never about care.
It is about control.
Dim party is now the cpusa.
Look at their actions.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 5:35:21 AM PST by Texas resident
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To: TurboZamboni

In the long run, private employers should be out of the health insurance business, and they will be.

May as well think about how to make lemonade out of this:

Everyone will pay for poor socialized medicine, but if you actually want to have care that is acceptable to you, you’ll have to pay cash for private care, assuming it will be legal to do so.

Private care on a cash basis will be functional, efficient care. All the non-payers will be shifted to the public health system, and a lot of them will die through denial and delay of care. But that’s what America voted for.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 5:45:08 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: TurboZamboni

IOW, the exact opposite of what Obama claimed. Great country.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 5:47:47 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Same subject - DIFFERENT THEME
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Has anyone noticed the NEW PSA(?) in regards to a white guy, with beard, mentions father served in VN and he is a Vet, biker, has a job in Construction and the ad is extolling the joys of a FREE PHONE with 200 min, texting etc.
The ad refers you to a phone # and address (AT BOTTOM OF THIS)to find out if one is eligible. Out of morbid curiosity (or as the pundits put it “I did the research so you don’t have to”, when you open the link it introduces you to the product, mentions FREE says if you are on food stamps, eligible for medicare you MAY be eligible for the free phone.

I stopped at registering etc, bad enough my ‘phootprint’ is on the sight etc....

So now, ‘able’ bodied people are eligible for the “FREE PHONE”, and ‘they’ are covering all bases using white actors (in their idiotic minds), I guess because we keep implying the ‘only’ free phones were held by obamaites, jobamaites and holderites.

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enrollment/Safelink/en/Public/NewHome.html


10 posted on 01/10/2013 5:48:47 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: RFEngineer

Doctors won’t be given licenses to practice unless they cooperate within nobamacare. Do you think these statist goons would allow competition?


11 posted on 01/10/2013 5:49:40 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

“Doctors won’t be given licenses to practice unless they cooperate within nobamacare. Do you think these statist goons would allow competition?”

I don’t know this to be true.....not saying it isn’t, and I do admit to not reading the entire bill.

I don’t know that private practice outside of the government mandates would be illegal. Reimbursement would be disallowed - I can see that, but cash for service, I think that would be difficult to disallow.


12 posted on 01/10/2013 5:57:41 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: hal ogen
"Doctors won’t be given licenses to practice unless they cooperate within nobamacare. Do you think these statist goons would allow competition?"

Agree, I also expect that doctors won't be able to practice medicine if they refuse to accept Medicare. Good health care will be moving offshore as more clinics and hospitals set up for medical tourism. Medical tourism is already up and running, but it will expand rapidly in friendly countries with good travel links to the US.

13 posted on 01/10/2013 6:01:26 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Andrei Bulba

Da boss changed his mind. He wants you go pay more hush money. It’s now going to cost ya $500 a week insteada 2fiddy. Don’t pay and u break your kneecaps...


14 posted on 01/10/2013 6:03:18 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Andrei Bulba

Da boss changed his mind. He wants you to pay more hush money. It’s now going to cost ya $500 a week insteada 2fiddy. Don’t pay and u break your kneecaps...


15 posted on 01/10/2013 6:03:36 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Andrei Bulba

Da boss changed his mind. He wants you to pay more hush money. It’s now going to cost ya $500 a week insteada 2fiddy. Don’t pay and we break your kneecaps...


16 posted on 01/10/2013 6:03:58 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: hal ogen

The VOTERS were asked what they wanted.
The POLITICIANS were asked what they wanted.
The ILLEGALS were asked what they wanted.
The UNEMPLOYED were asked what they wanted.
The ONLY person NOT asked as to their wants were—the DOCTORS.
When you find the doors to your Doctor’s office locked and the office dark, you will see what was done for your benefit.
Yes, doctors may be required to follow the tenets of OBAMALACKACARE, but they can’t be required to be doctors.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 6:15:36 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: RFEngineer
I don’t know that private practice outside of the government mandates would be illegal. Reimbursement would be disallowed - I can see that, but cash for service, I think that would be difficult to disallow.

I think there will still be private practices but the average American citizen won't be able to afford them. They'll be for the rich and politicians while the rest of us have to suck up to substandard care.

18 posted on 01/10/2013 6:31:00 AM PST by Getsmart64
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To: TurboZamboni

Limbaugh spent much of his show yesterday dwelling on a NY Times article bemoaning the profit moaning in health care and asserting the proposition that it should not exist.

More ground prep by the MSM. When the rates start skyrocketing for everyone the media sphere will be saturated with such talk. Outrage against Grrrrrreeedy Insurance Companies will run rampant, and we’ll all be a few steps closer to Single Payer.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 6:33:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RFEngineer
Private care on a cash basis will be functional, efficient care.

Amazing how a free market works when you let it.

20 posted on 01/10/2013 6:36:59 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: TurboZamboni

Obamacare is a train wreck, and Democrats in the Senate are about to be in the middle of it.

Remember, the Supreme Court invalidated the part in Obamacare dealing with the coercion of the states, through the withholding of Medicaid funds, to form the state exchanges. Now, thirty-some-odd states have either opted out, or are about to do so.

This means Obama must now set up a federal exchange, and no funds were allocated in the law for this purpose.

And we have the House.

Since the exchanges were going to be the mechanism by which subsidies would flow to the poor to help them buy a policy, now the poor, already battered by the payroll tax increase, will scream like stuck pigs if forced to buy insurance.

Something’s got to give, and if you are a Senator up for reelection in 2014, you don’t want to go to your own “townhall”, because you will be skewered if the mandate stays in place. This is another “fiscal cliff” if you’re a Democrat, with no way to blame it on Republicans. Remember, the people who didn’t have policies were quite happy without them, and those who have policies are seeing the increases and know who’s to blame. This bill is only popular with those who want the pre-existing conditions benefit. Everyone else, statistically, hates it, including doctors.

This is what Michelle Bachmann knew last week when she put a bill up in the house to rescind the law. Her bill may get shot down in the Senate....this time, but at some point the Dem Senators will see the existential imperative involved here, IMHO.

This never was a health CARE crisis. Care is being provided, and the cure for a health care problem never was universal health insurance. The insurance companies are already screaming, because adverse selection was going to be avoided only by them receiving premiums from a much larger base. Now this simply will not happen, so even those who can now afford policies, soon won’t be able to.

Perhaps Reid can ignore it this time, but at some point, and the clock is ticking toward 2014.....the trains shall meet.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 6:41:27 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: TurboZamboni

The leftards will blame the “evil corporation” insurance companies for not absorbing the dictated cost increases and blame them for passing their costs of doing business in the price of their goods.

That is the gem of the whole thing....


22 posted on 01/10/2013 6:49:15 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

“but they can’t be required to be doctors.”

You might think so, but the reality is that with Obamacare and with John Roberts’ treason, the government now owns our physical being. Add that to the currently accepted and promoted attitude that any money not paid in taxes is rightly the government’s money, and you have the formula to force anyone to work in any field that the government deems necessary to the public good.

The government confiscated your physical being and is staking claims to all of the fruits of your labor. You are a slave and your fellow citizen deems that as desirable.

The government will force doctors to provide their medical services to others for whatever the government deems as a fair rate. It is the next logical step to the tyrannical!

“We are Equality 7-2521!”


23 posted on 01/10/2013 7:00:03 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Getsmart64

“They’ll be for the rich and politicians while the rest of us have to suck up to substandard care.”

Well the good news it’s “free”


24 posted on 01/10/2013 7:05:58 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
The ONLY person NOT asked as to their wants were—the DOCTORS.

Is it plausible that doctors don't have lobbyists?

No, it is not.

25 posted on 01/10/2013 8:12:54 AM PST by wideminded
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To: RFEngineer

For several years now in many jurisdictions doctors can’t renew their licenses unless they take mandatory hours of continuing education in such things as treating homos, treating minorities and multiculturalism. You must take those hours or you will not have your license renewed. The government has the docs by the balls.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 8:20:51 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

“For several years now in many jurisdictions doctors can’t renew their licenses unless they take mandatory hours of continuing education”

This is a trend in all licensed professions. I have to do the same as a Professional Engineer. Now as to specific requirements for specific continuing education, I can’t speak to that.

If anything, medical licensing will have to be eased and the responsibilities of doctors will be diluted- because many doctors will simply retire or choose something else rather than put up with these requirements - and not enough doctors are in the pipeline to make up the difference.

So again, you will be left to your own devices to make sure someone is actually qualified - not that you would have recourse if they weren’t.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 11:34:54 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: wideminded

There are DOCTORS who dedicate their lives to the care and treatment of their patients, with some time off for their families.
There are those “DOCTORS” who are at the head of the AMA who are dedicated lobbyists feathering their own nests, such as the “leaders’ of various unions do for themselves at the expense of their members.
It is the doctor in his office, examining an ailing patient who is not asked for his thoughts. That is where the catastrophe will center.


28 posted on 01/10/2013 3:19:09 PM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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