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We are raising a generation of deluded narcissists
Fox News ^ | 8 January 2013 | Dr. Keith Ablow

Posted on 01/10/2013 4:33:13 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A new analysis of the American Freshman Survey, which has accumulated data for the past 47 years from 9 million young adults, reveals that college students are more likely than ever to call themselves gifted and driven to succeed, even though their test scores and time spent studying are decreasing.

Psychologist Jean Twenge, the lead author of the analysis, is also the author of a study showing that the tendency toward narcissism in students is up 30 percent in the last thirty-odd years. This data is not unexpected. I have been writing a great deal over the past few years about the toxic psychological impact of media and technology on children, adolescents and young adults, particularly as it regards turning them into faux celebrities—the equivalent of lead actors in their own fictionalized life stories.

On Facebook, young people can fool themselves into thinking they have hundreds or thousands of “friends.” They can delete unflattering comments. They can block anyone who disagrees with them or pokes holes in their inflated self-esteem. They can choose to show the world only flattering, sexy or funny photographs of themselves (dozens of albums full, by the way), “speak” in pithy short posts and publicly connect to movie stars and professional athletes and musicians they “like.”

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Go and read this article. It's is right on target. I've seen this face to face in the public schools. Students actually believe they have knowledge and skills just because they say so. Anyone who contradicts them puts them in a rage.
1 posted on 01/10/2013 4:33:21 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

They have been told that if they purport 2+2=5,
it is correct.

They have been told they are ALL “A” students.

This is obviously one of the logical ends.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 4:36:26 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Diogenesis

Exactly. And when I tried to teach them the truth, students are parents became outraged. We as teachers were supposed to tell them they were all okay.


3 posted on 01/10/2013 4:38:28 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

And one of them is in the White House.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 4:42:00 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Go and read this article. It's is right on target. I've seen this face to face in the public schools. Students actually believe they have knowledge and skills just because they say so. Anyone who contradicts them puts them in a rage.

Have you ever seen, on these pages, a home schooler who had "average" student/children or, heaven forbid, below average? I haven't. They are all several grades above the norm.

5 posted on 01/10/2013 4:45:02 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Diogenesis

Can’t compromise the little darlins’ self-esteem, you know.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 4:45:42 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Diogenesis
"They have been told that if they purport 2+2=5"

Well, 2+2=5 must be true because I read it here on the internet.

7 posted on 01/10/2013 4:45:47 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The kids today that are in the “Gifted programs” are exactly the same as the students 20 yrs ago in regular ED classes - with no special skills - just average students...then again, most students today lack basic respect, world knowledge, and current affairs - but they know how to turn on a game console and twit...pretty sad!


8 posted on 01/10/2013 4:48:50 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I believe this is much more a result of the misguided “self-esteem” movement which is taught in the schools and society at large. The “everyone gets a trophy” mentality despite the fact not everyone has earned it or put in the work to achieve it. Thus, kids have an incredibly inflated sense of their abilities and worth and futher have a complete entitlement mentality that they deserve whatever “trophy” they want in life just for being wonderful little them.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 4:49:12 AM PST by circlecity
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

If you surveyed 100 young black women and asked if they were independent, free thinkers, you would get 100 responses in the affirmative. But ‘yes’ probably wouldn’t suffice. You would hear ‘absolutely,’ ‘you bet’ and ‘without a doubt.’

If you then asked why 98 of the 100 exercised their freedom of thought by voting for Barack Obama, it’s doubtful you would get such forceful, unambiguous replies. In fact, you would probably get at least 80 nearly identical responses.

This narcissism is reflected in the craze for tattoos. Their owners declare ‘This is an expression of me! They represent my life!’ When asked how they created the designs, many would say - without any sense of irony - ‘Oh I chose it from a book they had at the studio.’

The darkest side of the narcissism industry is, tragically, events like Newtown. Adolescent boys who discover they are NOT unique and attractive to all, especially the females, suffer sudden and severe blows to the ego. The mind has been left so unprepared for this wave of negative feedback and psychological pain that it displaces it in the form of rage, hostility, and in the worst cases, violence.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 4:49:18 AM PST by relictele
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To: Graybeard58
Have you ever seen, on these pages, a home schooler who had "average" student/children or, heaven forbid, below average?

As a matter of fact, studies show home schooled students consistently score higher than public school kids.

11 posted on 01/10/2013 4:53:44 AM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: Liberty Wins
As a matter of fact, studies show home schooled students consistently score higher than public school kids.

Doesn't address my question or point.

Have you ever seen, on these pages, a home schooler who had "average" student/children or, heaven forbid, below average?

Some must be average and some must be below average and some must be above average or there wouldn't be an "average", unless they were all exactly the same.

12 posted on 01/10/2013 5:00:19 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The post below yours proves that the article you posted is correct:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2976690/posts

These people can’t think outside the box...


13 posted on 01/10/2013 5:01:52 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Diogenesis
They have been told they are ALL “A” students.

If you give them all As, then they ARE all A students.

14 posted on 01/10/2013 5:06:58 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: relictele
The darkest side of the narcissism industry is, tragically, events like Newtown. Adolescent boys who discover they are NOT unique and attractive to all, especially the females, suffer sudden and severe blows to the ego. The mind has been left so unprepared for this wave of negative feedback and psychological pain that it displaces it in the form of rage, hostility, and in the worst cases, violence.

Exactly right. Saw this in students also.

15 posted on 01/10/2013 5:09:53 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I have a bunch of nephews and nieces in the young adult category

You should see some of crap they post on facebook that they take as gospel truth...

I got tired of pointing out their errors ...since this old fart is just a moron...
To them...no critical thinking skills...swallow left wing propaganda like doggie treats...


16 posted on 01/10/2013 5:10:00 AM PST by Popman
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To: circlecity

“The everyone gets a trophy mentality”.

I agree and the school system pushes it further. For example, schools push less than bright students to take honor and AP courses in high school. They don’t care that the kid can’t do that type of work.. the concept is that the school system looks “good” because the classes are diverse. Even in elementary and middle schools, the bright kids learn very quickly that hard work gets you very little. They learn to do “just a little bit more” to get an “A” rather than pushing themselves to their fullest potential. Even in gifted programs, the school will select applicants so the classes look “diverse” and “equal” (not only with races but boys vs girls). It is no wonder that kids think they are “so smart”.. they’ve been told that over and over.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 5:12:03 AM PST by momtothree
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
The idiotic self-esteem movement in schools for the past 20 some years hasn't helped either.

My sister and I disagree on this so much. She blames alot of the problems on people not having good self-esteem. I say that the problems of the younger generation is having TOO MUCH self-esteem.

Bring back those forbidden words: guilt, shame, humility.

18 posted on 01/10/2013 5:13:30 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: Diogenesis
They have been told that if they purport 2+2=5, it is correct.

No, they are being taught that if the Party says 2+2=5, it is correct.

And perhaps you might pretend, afterwards, that it was only a trick and that you just said it to make them stop and didn’t really mean it. But that isn’t true..

19 posted on 01/10/2013 5:15:42 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I work with a person like this.

If she has heard OF something, she thinks she knows ABOUT it!!

There’s NO scholarship or intellectual rigor to back this up... she just KNOWS it!!

To increase the illusion of knowing something about which she is dumb as dirt, she always talks LOUDLY and puts herself forward… interrupting conversations and imposing on situations where her ‘input’ is unnecessary and unsolicited.

People around here think she is wonder woman. Uggh..

Unfortunately, this behavior is everywhere. The days of getting a proper education, learning from experience and long practice, speaking when spoken to and observing the basic rules of civility are GONE!

Working with these young puppies who don’t know s&^% from shinola about ANYTHING is difficult and getting worse.

Being coarse and overbearing, WITHOUT knowing a f’n thing seems to pay off.

It worked for “O” and the crowd that supports him.


20 posted on 01/10/2013 5:15:45 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Popman
I have a bunch of nephews and nieces in the young adult category You should see some of crap they post on facebook that they take as gospel truth...

That describes 7 of 10 of my 20-something nephews. Of the three conservatives, two are living in the basement playing video games.

21 posted on 01/10/2013 5:19:03 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Graybeard58

I think your points are relevant mainly if you define “average” as “the same.” Every individual has some abilities, characteristics, and interests that make that person stand out from others. Naturally, people describing their loved ones - whether it’s a parent talking about a child, or any other relationship - will emphasize the ways in which the person is “not the same.”

For example, one might think that I believe the Outrageously Excellent Gunner Anoreth is “above average.” In fact, as a student, she’s quite haphazard and distractable, producing good results only when she really wants to. I promote her outrageous excellent based, not on academic criteria, but on many other ways in which she is different from other people, including being very different from me. (Bill and Tom, on the other hand, are far “above average” in certain academic skills, and they have the 97th-99th percentile SAT scores to prove it.)

I think the element of “not the same” is common among all my friends with respect to their children, no matter how the child is educated. Parents know the ways in which each child is different from others, and that forms much of the content of the parent’s “esteem” for the child.


22 posted on 01/10/2013 5:23:17 AM PST by Tax-chick (Please explain how my being in a fuss would help the situation.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Facebook, Twitter, “social” networking, et al are evil and will come to no good. This is another bubble that will eventually bust. It has to. And that will be a very sad and shocking day for those inside the bubble.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 5:31:22 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: circlecity
This "all about me" attitude is hitting the work environment. The new generation of workers seem to come in with the idea that the business must make adjustments around their lives, rather than a worker coming in, knowing that the hours of business are such and such, lunch hour is this many minutes long, etc.

I work at a hospital in direct patient care where the hours are 24/7/365, and they don't close for holidays. We are required to work half our hours day; half off shift (evenings or night). I worked with a 21-year old who insisted that she should have every Friday off because she had a part-time job teaching aerobics. So since she didn't think she had to take a Friday work turn, everyone else had to always help cover Fridays.

Then she'd pick up another aerobic class to help another teacher and expect SOMEBODY to switch hours with her. When she couldn't get anybody to she'd call off or on one occasion just not show up.

The younger ones want their schedule adjusted because they go to school (OK reasonable) and also adjusted when they want to PARTAAAAAY!, when a home town team is in the playoffs, or Super Bowl.

24 posted on 01/10/2013 5:32:08 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: Graybeard58
Have you ever seen, on these pages, a home schooler who had "average" student/children or, heaven forbid, below average? I haven't. They are all several grades above the norm.

LOL That's because they are. Why are the spelling bee champs always homeschoolers?

But don't believe me. Look up the performance of homeschoolers for yourself. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Why not try it yourself, and compare? We've seen both sides with our two daughters. Both began homeschooled. We spent about two hours with our kids each day. After 6th grade, only an hour a day, mainly for math. My 17-year-old has worked on her own the last couple of years. She just got an academic scholarship to a government college. She's never set foot in a government school.

My other daughter is mildly autistic. She's done fine academically, but my three teacher SILs convinced my wife to put her in government school, for "socialization" and the great programs that they supposedly have for autistic kids.

Well, after several sessions with Wellesley and Smith-educated special ed teachers, an individualized plan was drawn up for my daughter. To make a long story short, her "special program" is a joke. Her classes are a joke. The whole thing is a joke. When she comes home, the three of us laugh about her day. My wife doesn't appreciate it, but what can you say about an English class where the students read 18 pages per week? She did double that per day when she was homeschooled.

Teachers pretend to teach, students pretend to learn, and parents pretend that the teachers are teaching and the students are learning. This is why the school monster is impervious to reform or elimination.

The Underground History of American Education

25 posted on 01/10/2013 5:36:09 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: circlecity

Though anecdotal, this has not been my experience. I can remember our kids coming home with words to practice spelling for tests each Friday; not unexpectedly and more than a few times they would initially spell the word incorrectly, and when I would say it was wrong and begin to tell them the right spelling they would say “It doesn’t matter... it’s okay, I ‘tried’ to spell it right”.

With my head about to explose and eyes twitching like Chief Inspector Dreyfus I then asked the rhetorical question: “Who told you that it doesn’t matter if you spell the word right?”. The answer of course... “Teacher”.

This is the perverted, upside down world of the libtard... everybody’s special... everybody deserves a trophy... and an arrogant, aignorant, self-aggrandizing a$$ clown is elected pResident.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 5:36:29 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: circlecity

Though anecdotal, this has not been my experience. I can remember our kids coming home with words to practice spelling for tests each Friday; not unexpectedly and more than a few times they would initially spell the word incorrectly, and when I would say it was wrong and begin to tell them the right spelling they would say “It doesn’t matter... it’s okay, I ‘tried’ to spell it right”.

With my head about to explode and eyes twitching like Chief Inspector Dreyfus I then asked the rhetorical question: “Who told you that it doesn’t matter if you spell the word right?”. The answer of course... “Teacher”.

This is the perverted, upside down world of the libtard... everybody’s special... everybody deserves a trophy... and an arrogant, aignorant, self-aggrandizing a$$ clown is elected pResident.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 5:36:48 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What does he mean, “are raising”????

There are a lot of 30 year olds, 40 year olds — Hell, 60 year olds — who think the world revolves around them. Its the Welfare State mentality that causes everyone to think that society owes them a living. Each generation, it infests more and more people. Self reliance and taking responsibility for your actions is out the window. Today’s kids — and a lot of today’s adults — need to have the support system cut off and should fend for themselves. That will cure any deluded narcissism problems.


28 posted on 01/10/2013 5:41:15 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: 3catsanadog
The idiotic self-esteem movement in schools for the past 20 some years hasn't helped either.

It has been much longer than that even. 30 years ago I was forced to sit in on an "esteem" session and "communicate" with other kids who were "like me." That is, I was quiet, but I never got in trouble, so they figured something must be wrong. In this "session" none of the other kids spoke because they were like me and we thought it was stupid. You know who broke down and cried and poured out her heart? The "peer student." The one we were suppose to go to if we ever had any problems or needed support. To say the least I never went back....and neither did the others. We're all doing the fine today. The "peer student" has been had psychological issues throughout the remainder of her life.
29 posted on 01/10/2013 5:43:19 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: 3catsanadog
The idiotic self-esteem movement in schools for the past 20 some years hasn't helped either.

It has been much longer than that even. 30 years ago I was forced to sit in on an "esteem" session and "communicate" with other kids who were "like me." That is, I was quiet, but I never got in trouble, so they figured something must be wrong. In this "session" none of the other kids spoke because they were like me and we thought it was stupid. You know who broke down and cried and poured out her heart? The "peer student." The one we were suppose to go to if we ever had any problems or needed support. To say the least I never went back....and neither did the others. We're all doing the fine today. The "peer student" has had psychological issues throughout the remainder of her life.
30 posted on 01/10/2013 5:43:46 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: SMARTY
. . . interrupting conversations . . .

That is another trend I find very disturbing. Since nobody is raised with social manners and graces anymore, just about everybody is interrupting, being interrupted, or you think you are having a conversation with someone and someone else gets their attention and there you are, talking to air.

I'm finding it less and less enjoyable to talk with people. Businesses emphasize how important communication is to the high heavens and 90% of people working have no idea how. I get emails from the edumacated who can't spell, have no grammar skills. I wonder how their resumes got past the screeners in HR. Course those clowns probably can barely read and write either.

31 posted on 01/10/2013 5:44:11 AM PST by 3catsanadog (I love my country; I don't like its government)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

These people have been in the workplace for the last 20 years.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 5:51:35 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Graybeard58

“Doesn’t address my question or point.”

Hah! For someone claiming that young people are all narcissists, you’re remarkably immune to facts.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 5:51:35 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

About damn time we got some facts in this thread. Well-said sir. Well said.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 5:54:12 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Not okay, “special and unique”. Everyone of them is gifted, special and unique.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 6:06:18 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Common Sense 101

“Who told you that it doesn’t matter if you spell the word right?”. The answer of course... “Teacher”.


And so we have come to “ horseshoe & bocce ball rules” where close enough
is good enough, and the individual doesn’t care about getting it right or
getting better

This is how “ dumbing down” , “ non informed” is nurtured, and society suffers.


36 posted on 01/10/2013 6:15:56 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: 3catsanadog
Well, HR is a joke too. You ought to see THOSE guys.

A couple years ago, I went to an employment service for a part time job. The girl said that on the interview she set up for me, I had to be sure to look ‘professional’. THAT was a joke because I looked more professional than SHE did in her dockers and dirty shoes.

Anyway, I went the interview, Some clown half my age interviewed me for his dinky min. wage job. He had an earring, hadn't shaved or been to the barber, wore a wrinkled, tattle-tale-gray shirt... with NO tie...etc. THAT was the guy I was supposed to be ‘professional’ for and he looked like he was a bum.

I was glad not to be hired there.

It's a joke with these young people.

Also, I hate to go into a restaurant where young people sit with their legs crossed on the chairs, or prop up their feet on the next chair, they wear dirty clothes and sneakers, they have ghastly table manners, guys won't remove their hats, girls talk at the 50th decibel...etc. What ill-bred and immature slobs!

I just have refused to go anywhere like that. I'll go out less often and spend more if I don't have to hear or look at THAT!

37 posted on 01/10/2013 6:16:38 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Kozak

And their narcissism helps LEOs track them down much faster. I say let’m think they are the smartest and best looking guys and gals on the planet. We know they’re not and deep down they know they’re not.

One thing I findfunny is that all of those liberal drug induced intellectuals that think they are smarter than you are so dumb they leave tons of bread crumbs to follow them right to their doorsteps. One guy had a photo of a vehicle with the license plate showing; ran it and tracked the guy right down to the house he was staying at... Idiot!....LOL


38 posted on 01/10/2013 6:19:14 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: upchuck

I see our society becoming like the human race in the kids’ movie WallE. They are all hooking on the gadget screens, each others business, and being one of the flock. No independent thinking.

I have to remind the young 30’s and 20’s in our office that their generation has not created anything totally new only piggy backed of the technology created in 40’s -70’ like computer sciences and space travel. It parallels Hollyweird, with few exception they have not introduced any new original themed items just cloning old movies and making them more bloody and sexed up.


39 posted on 01/10/2013 6:25:26 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Graybeard58

Maybe just a little flaw in your logic cause it depends on your premise:

If you are speaking of just homeschoolers you are right there are some above, at and below average.

However, if you are talking about the entire population of school children then homeschooled children do consistently rank above average and are now the most sought after group for colleges admisssions.

Lurking’


40 posted on 01/10/2013 6:26:11 AM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Common Sense 101

Math skills frustrate me to no end. We had to memorize the times tables and to this day I can do every day math in my head faster than my kids can text someone (percentages, tips on bills, taxes on purchases etc...). We try hard to force my kids to memorize those tables and explain that will make everything easier. They always resisted saying their teachers told them they don’t have to memorize them since they can look them up and use calculators. Our solution was our last two minions fled public school and are now in a Christian private school. Already can see the difference.


41 posted on 01/10/2013 6:29:41 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: JCBreckenridge
Hah! For someone claiming that young people are all narcissists, you’re remarkably immune to facts.

Cite where I said that. Until then I will state that you are remarkably void of honesty.

42 posted on 01/10/2013 6:30:09 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: LurkingSince'98
If you are speaking of just homeschoolers you are right there are some above, at and below average.

That was the subject of my reply.

43 posted on 01/10/2013 6:32:38 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
LOL That's because they are. Why are the spelling bee champs always homeschoolers?

But don't believe me. Look up the performance of homeschoolers for yourself. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Never denied that home schoolers on the whole are above public schoolers on the whole. You've completely misstated my point, I believe it's intentional and that means you're dishonest.

It's a rare person on this forum who home schools to say that their child is "average" or below average. Among home schooled kids some have to be below.

44 posted on 01/10/2013 6:39:41 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Electronic pocket-sized feel good machines. Oh! I’m sorry! I meant their smartphones!


45 posted on 01/10/2013 6:43:36 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Hi St.,

If they are living in their basement playing video games they are NOT conservative...sorry,

Lurking’


46 posted on 01/10/2013 7:09:25 AM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: patriotspride

Funny you should say that... there were a couple of occasions when they did say “it is close enough”. Drove me nuts, but they were told that spelling and using words correctly is what WE do going forward.

Imagine a world where everyone’s use and spelling of words was different... we’re already getting close to that insanity daily with continual libtard perversion of the language (where wasteful spending is referred to as “investment”, supporters of small government are called “extremists”, etc.). Sad that so many have decided to join the libtard “race to the bottom” rather than fight it.


47 posted on 01/10/2013 7:11:33 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Graybeard58

then you are the “victim” of a logical fallacy.

the reason that almost any parent of a homeschooled child thinks their children are above average is because they look at the public school children and see very below average kids.

as I said in my original post if you are just considering the group of only homeschooled children - you are right, however if you are considering the entire group of school aged children then homeschooled children ARE above the average of that group.

Lurking’


48 posted on 01/10/2013 7:15:13 AM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Kozak

We are very blessed to live in a small American city where our children are receiving an excellent and yet reasonably priced Catholic education (thanks to a community that goes to church on Sunday and fills the collection baskets so that even kids without the means can to the catholic schools if they want.) The catholic high school here is consistently in the nations top 50 catholic schools.

I feel that some of the blame for this narcissism in our youth results from parents and teachers who refuse to allow children to experience failure. Fear of failure snuffs out potential. In an effort to make sure “the little dears never feel bad about themselves” they are never allowed to fail. If you look at history the greatest amongst us are those who failed over and over again until they got it right.

A personal example. Our oldest daughter loves the theatre and had the lead in a couple of middle school plays. Fast forward to high school in a new school in a new town with a really outstanding drama department. She auditioned freshman year for a one act play. Didn’t get a part. She auditioned again for the musical. Again... didn’t get a part. Instead of sulking she worked technical crew with the spotlights. A hot and thankless job...but the director took notice of her work ethic... Fast forward to this her sophomore year. Got a small part in the children’s play Pinocchio. She gave it her all and got noticed. Auditioned for the one act play again this year... got a part and is going to the state one act festival. Would never have happened if she quit after not getting a part in the musical.

Motto in our house is 1. Never give up and 2. no guts no glory.

Ironically in our country amongst many of our youth the fear of failure is exactly what is causing them to fail.


49 posted on 01/10/2013 7:19:31 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Graybeard58
Have you ever seen, on these pages, a home schooler who had "average" student/children or, heaven forbid, below average? I haven't. They are all several grades above the norm.

Home schooled students largely are above "average" because the "average" in public schools is so low that even students who aren't particularly gifted, when provided with one on one attention and teaching, do better than their peers in public school. Anti-homeschooling politicians and union activists regularly accuse home schoolers of inflating the grades of their students, but when the home schooled students take standard achievement tests they still, as a group, outperform the public school students.

Take a look at public school performance, you'll see that it isn't hard to beat the "average".

50 posted on 01/10/2013 7:23:58 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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