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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-obama-might-use-executive-order-deal-guns_694984.html ^

Posted on 01/09/2013 9:51:19 AM PST by kcvl

Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

Biden, as he himself noted, helped write the Brady bill.

Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently taking place at the White House.

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1 posted on 01/09/2013 9:51:24 AM PST by kcvl
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To: All

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


2 posted on 01/09/2013 9:53:29 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: kcvl

He can order his agencies under his Executive branch to do what he wants. He can’t order me legally, and I won’t comply.


3 posted on 01/09/2013 9:53:39 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kcvl

And gun owners are considering how big to make the picture of their “fingers” in reply to Joeus Retardus.


4 posted on 01/09/2013 9:54:39 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: kcvl

Can we recall/remove the President and Vice president for failure to uphold the Constitution? I bet if there was a way to have a vote on it they would be history. I can dream can’t I?


5 posted on 01/09/2013 9:55:48 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Gaffer

Hitler and Stalin gave the same orders... I WILL not...I will REPEAT.... I will NOT live under oppression, tyranny and see my daughters raped and my property pillaged.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 9:56:05 AM PST by mikelets456
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To: Mastador1

Who is going to fight back in Washington? Bend Over Boehner?? or maybe Milktoast McDonnell?


7 posted on 01/09/2013 9:58:01 AM PST by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: kcvl

They are betting nobody has the stones to stand up to their dictatorship. So far, they’ve been right.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 9:58:49 AM PST by Missouri gal
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To: kcvl

You are fast! I just heard it on Rush’s show.


9 posted on 01/09/2013 9:58:49 AM PST by HogsBreath
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To: kcvl

What was that famous quote by Dirty Harry?


10 posted on 01/09/2013 9:58:55 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Deter. That’s it.


11 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:22 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: kcvl
"Eric Holder was scheduled to be at the meeting that's currently taking place at the White House."

Why not invite Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi?

12 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:22 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: kcvl

Check out the Drudge Report! Drudge must have ate his Wheaties this morning, he’s not pulling any punches!!


13 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:22 AM PST by apillar
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To: kcvl

To be clear, EO’s aren’t a Progressive or Republican problem. EO’s are an equal opportunity contagion. Both parties, all modern presidents, Congress, the Supreme Court, and, yes, We the People are culpable. If we deserve better, we will beget better.
Art I, Sec 1 of the US Constitution concisely and unambiguously provides that “all legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress...” In sharp contrast, Art II specifically outlines Executive powers and duties, none of which include legislating in any form. And to checkmate an overreaching Chief Executive, Art II also provides for the impeachment and removal of not only the Chief Executive, but of any and all officers comprising the Executive Branch.
The rub: if the law intended to countermand an EO is vetoed by the President, to override that veto requires a 2/3 vote, a super majority, in both chambers of Congress, clearly a politically daunting task indeed. Of course, there is the laborious process of impeachment and removal of the offending President to remedy the executive overreach. But, again, removal would require a 2/3 majority in the Senate, a very unlikely scenario.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:29 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: kcvl

Might as well go on and purchase a million more pairs of Jack boots too.


15 posted on 01/09/2013 9:59:46 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: MomwithHope
"Who is going to fight back in Washington? "

It has to be us. What date's good for a rally in DC to tell our "leaders" how we feel?

16 posted on 01/09/2013 10:00:24 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: kcvl

Obama’s orders won’t save one life, it will kill many.

Biden is either a complete and total fool or he has become an Obama tool.Perhaps a little of each.

Obama can write hs Executive Order, but carrying it out in an armed America that KNOWS it is a completely illegal order according to the Constitution will cause problems he has no idea how to deal with.

If Americans fight to kjeep their gun rights they are fighting on the right side of history the right side of America.

That is one Executive Order Obama can shove up his Obama.


17 posted on 01/09/2013 10:00:37 AM PST by Venturer
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To: kcvl

Even though I know he’ll do it, I’m still shocked that he would. Funny how that works.

It’s just the lawful part of me that still entertains the notion that the Constitution exists.

If Obama does this then someone is going to blow something up. Somehow I think THAT is his real goal. Gonna get messy.

I have the same resigned, reluctant feeling with this as I do every morning getting out of bed: “well, crap, let’s just get this thing started then...”


Congress was quoted as saying, “Hey, free sandwich day!”


18 posted on 01/09/2013 10:00:58 AM PST by Noamie
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To: kcvl

I guess we don’t need a Congress to make laws nor a Constitution to delineate our rights, and limit our government.

The result: I’m even coming to believe it will soon be time to revisit the Declaration of Independence.


19 posted on 01/09/2013 10:01:05 AM PST by TGIAO
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To: kcvl
BTTT


Left convinced Americans will not fight for 2nd Amendment rights

Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement



20 posted on 01/09/2013 10:01:05 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: MomwithHope

I am wondering if the governors of several states will tell DC that they will not allow enforcement of federal legislation or EOs deemed unconstitutional.


21 posted on 01/09/2013 10:02:20 AM PST by txjeep
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To: kcvl
Thank God for the Constitution, its bill of rights and the checks and balances contained in the Constitution.

Hopefully, the legal system and courts will prevent unlawful activity by federal agencies. I also hope more Arizona like Sheriffs tell the feds to “go stuff it.”

22 posted on 01/09/2013 10:02:22 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: kcvl
It would be well to take the sensible analysis of leftist usurpation of constitutional legitament process given in Sowell's The Vision of the Annointed and utilize it in dealing with the leftist's moves on this issue.

When the left has successfully avoided real analysis and understanding of an issue by elevating it to an artificial "Crisis" level, centralizing the solutions to the Federal level and then portaying themselves as the only people caring and concerned about the Crisis they have an automatic next move.

That next move is to try and skip legitiment process which in this case might be careful and constitutional legislation and instead, try for executive or judicial fiat. Why have a law when you can claim a crisis and rule by decree?

23 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:37 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: kcvl
BRING IT ON YOU LIZARD LIPPED BASTARD.
I can hardly wait. . . . . . . .
The second revolution will START. . . . . . . . . . Just as the Founding Fathers said. . . . . . . . . . .
24 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:50 AM PST by DeaconRed (The problem In Germany started when Hitler took the GUNS. . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: kcvl

1. My assumption is they would attempt to use some of the “catch all” language in the end of Title II of the NFA/Gun Control Act.

2. Someone needs to point out there are about 350 deaths per year from long guns, of which, probably 30 or 40 are from rifles with high-capacity magazines.


25 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:54 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Gaffer
He can order his agencies under his Executive branch to do what he wants. He can’t order me legally, and I won’t comply.

Exactly.

Executive Orders only affect operations within the Executive Branch. They are not "laws" or even regulations.

And regardless of what Congress decides to do - if it conflicts with the Constitution - I will not comply.

I do not think the Progressives understand what a large majority of gun owners are truly willing to do to protect their freedom.

26 posted on 01/09/2013 10:03:56 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: kcvl

Hell, they can’t even disarm criminals.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 10:04:35 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: kcvl

I told you all this 3 weeks ago, many on that thread said I was wrong...


28 posted on 01/09/2013 10:04:45 AM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: andy58-in-nh

“Executive Orders only affect operations within the Executive Branch. They are not “laws” or even regulations.”

He could order the BATFE to do various absurd, illegal, things, and the jacked-booted thugs would comply.


29 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:04 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Mastador1
Can we recall/remove the President and Vice president for failure to uphold the Constitution?

The 2nd Amendment was put in place for just such a procedure.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:34 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: kcvl

States need to pass 2A (and 4A) protection laws to prevent Federales from registering and confiscating guns, ammo and acessories.


31 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:37 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; an EMP confined to DC would be much appreciated)
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To: mikelets456

I work with a guy from Brazil who just got back from a 3 week visit to his family there. He said there are no guns allowed in Brazil so only the criminals and well-connected with body guards have guns. Apparently people are routinely rounded up by the gun toting criminals in restaurants or wherever and ordered to hand over their valuables - which they do rather than get shot. Crime is beyond control there and that is why he left - there is more than the police can begin to handle. He said he went out with his sister (a lawyer who has a bodyguard) and at the restaurant they had to sit in a corner facing the door “like Al Capone” to make sure they are safe. His stories are unbelievable and he said 20 years ago you could go there and visit but now it’s too unsafe for tourists.

Actually it sounded somewhat like Chicago - where the law abiding are sitting ducks.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:46 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: txjeep

No one has the balls to do anything.

Which is how the ball rolls down hill.

This isn’t even year one of Obama, Part II, yet?!?


33 posted on 01/09/2013 10:05:46 AM PST by Noamie
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To: RaceBannon

IMO it’s a good sign that they’re even thinking about this. It means that gun laws in congress are DOA.

If he tries this, it’ll backfire like they can’t imagine.


34 posted on 01/09/2013 10:06:25 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: kcvl

Civil war is coming. This could be a flashpoint.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 10:06:37 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: alphadog
The Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.

Obama has been pushing the limits on "Youngstown" since he took office, his "backdoor amnesty" is on shaky legal ground and still being challenged on the courts, but at least he attempted to meet the standards of "Youngstown" by claiming he was clarifying that the head of DHHR had the discretion to delay a deportation order indefinitely. A Assault Weapons Ban or Gun Registration Scheme would be blowing "Youngstown" clear out of the water as current federal law flat out bans registration.

36 posted on 01/09/2013 10:06:42 AM PST by apillar
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To: kcvl
I always understood that an Executive Order could only clarify existing law, not create new law (which bypasses the Legislature)?

The Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution. Presidents since this decision have generally been careful to cite which specific laws they are acting under when issuing new executive orders.

37 posted on 01/09/2013 10:06:53 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: kcvl

Under obamacare, Physicians and teachers are asking kids, “does daddy have any guns at home?” The EO will be just an order to confiscate based on the info collected. Under the patriot act POTUS decides who is a terrorist. An EO to DHS, may be all Zero needs.


38 posted on 01/09/2013 10:07:24 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: crosshairs

I know another quote that might interest the gun grabbers....’Don’t need to go heeled to get the bulge on a dub like you.’ from the movie Tombstone.


39 posted on 01/09/2013 10:08:19 AM PST by HogsBreath
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To: kcvl
So...it is threatened...why?....

..Pres Zer0 has to know that this is not going to be a happy outcome for anyone...

...this is so beyond nuts....

40 posted on 01/09/2013 10:08:19 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: Biggirl

—Civil war is coming. This could be a flashpoint.—

Depends what the EO actually is and what it does.


41 posted on 01/09/2013 10:08:40 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: kcvl
"if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking"

One of my least favorite claims...
42 posted on 01/09/2013 10:08:49 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: kcvl
biden
43 posted on 01/09/2013 10:09:24 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Missouri gal
"So far, they’ve been right."

SO FAR. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

44 posted on 01/09/2013 10:09:57 AM PST by DeaconRed (The problem In Germany started when Hitler took the GUNS. . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: TGIAO

The lesson we learned from Obama’s ineligibility is that as long as the system screws everybody, it’s nobody’s business.

This is the bed we made by accepting that crap, and we either lie in it or do something to start over and not make the same mistakes the first USA made.


45 posted on 01/09/2013 10:10:06 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: LouAvul

In the New World Order, the following things are now true:

1) Spending bills originate in the Senate
2) Amendments to the Constitution are made through the Executive Order process

Did you not get the memo?


46 posted on 01/09/2013 10:10:40 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Jewbacca
He could order the BATFE to do various absurd, illegal, things, and the jacked-booted thugs would comply.

They might, but without the assistance of local and state law enforcement they wouldn't have the manpower to make even scratch the surface (for instance, in my state of West Virginia the ATF has less than 50 agents for then entire state). All red state governors should do like they did with Obamacare and order state and local law enforcement not to assist.

47 posted on 01/09/2013 10:11:10 AM PST by apillar
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To: kcvl
Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns

I'm cosidering a Constitutional Amendment to deal with guns........wait.....already got one. My Constitutional Right trumps Obama's Executive Order.

48 posted on 01/09/2013 10:12:50 AM PST by Starstruck (Obama is now proposing a bottomless pit off the fiscal cliff. Enjoy the ride.)
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To: kcvl
Gluteus Maximus

49 posted on 01/09/2013 10:13:26 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: crosshairs

“What was that famous quote by Dirty Harry?”

What timing! I just put Dirty Harry in and it’s about one minute from his first “Make My Day”. He just bought his hot dog.

Weird...


50 posted on 01/09/2013 10:13:38 AM PST by panaxanax
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