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Whether the Semi-Automatic Weapons Ban Passes Depends on What Happens to the Senate Rules (McCain)
Red State ^ | January 4th, 2013 at 05:48 PM | Michael Hammond

Posted on 01/08/2013 4:06:24 PM PST by Red Steel

McCAIN MAY BE WORKING TO STAB US IN THE BACK

It was reported yesterday that Vice President Joe Biden “guaranteed” to ailing Boston Mayor Tom Menino that sweeping gun control legislation would be passed by the end of January.

How sweeping?

A quick look at Feinstein’s semi-auto ban legislation suggests that up to 75% of all handguns currently in circulation would be banned, along with 50% of all long guns.

Depending on its configuration, the AR-15 you already have would probably be treated like a machine gun. You would have to be fingerprinted, background checked by the FBI, and undergo a six-month license application process to keep it. And when you die, the government will seize it.

If you don’t get an NFA license, you can expect the SWAT teams to descend on your house.

But, you ask, how could such rabidly anti-gun legislation ever get past Congress?

For an answer, look at what happened on the fiscal cliff.

The Senate would change its rules so that it could pass a gun ban with only 50 votes (plus the vote of Vice President Joe Biden) -– or so that you could write the gun ban in a House-Senate conference committee on a must-pass bill. Democrats like West Virginia’s Joe Manchin, Nevada’s Harry Reid, and Pennsylvania’s Bob Casey — who will not have to run for reelection for awhile –- will cast “courageous” votes for this gun ban.

And it will hit the House with enormous momentum –- momentum which House Speaker John Boehner (who has already called for a dialogue on gun control) may not have the courage to resist.

But the first step will be to demolish the Senate rules so that gun control only requires 50 votes -– or so that gun control can be inserted in the conference report on a must-pass bill. And this is where John McCain comes in.

McCain is angry that Kentucky Senator Rand Paul worked with Gun Owners of America on a variety of pro-gun issues that slowed down his defense funding bill. And it is no secret why McCain loves House-Senate conferences: Just last month, he and Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin used the DoD conference to demolish position adopted by Senate supermajorities, including the prohibition on indefinitely detaining American citizens without trial. Therefore, McCain and Levin are out to punish Paul and GOA for opposing his legislation to indefinitely detain American citizens.

So they are working together on a series of rules changes to, inter alia, make gun control a lot easier to pass.

The first McCain-Levin rules change would make it impossible to fight a motion to proceed to gun control legislation. Remember ObamaCare? Our last real shot to kill ObamaCare was by filibustering the motion to proceed to it. Once the motion to proceed was adopted, the bill became amendable and Harry Reid could play “let’s-make-a-deal.”

The second McCain-Levin rules change would make it easier to add gun control to a bill in conference. Currently, senators can block a conference. If the McCain proposals are adopted, a must-pass bill could be sent to conference, amended in conference with a draconian gun ban, and then sent back to the House and the Senate on a take-it-or-leave-it basis.

McCain will try to tell you that that would be outside the “scope of conference.” But “scope of conference” rules are never followed. Gramm-Rudman was written in conference from the ground up.

The third McCain-Levin rules change would block any amendments except for those Leader McConnell and Manager McCain proposed. All other senators would be out in the cold.

This McCain-Levin package must be stopped.

Senator Rand Paul is currently planning to offer an amendment requiring a two-thirds vote in the Senate before any anti-gun measure can be passed.

I know. I know. If it were up to me, gun control would not be able to be passed with 100 votes. But we need to propose something which will pass the Senate.

So this is the “day of march.” We saw, with the resolution of the fiscal cliff debate, how the diminution of the Senate rules (and Republican courage) can lead to historically bad results.

But if conservatives allow these rules changes to be implemented, they have no reason to complain when the rules allow them to be defeated in battles over the debt limit, the continuing resolution, and sequestration.

In those battles, the rules -– which are now up for debate -– will determine whether we win or lose.


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; hangingonlightpoles; mccain; secondamendment; treason; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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Unstable McCain at it again.
1 posted on 01/08/2013 4:06:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
If the feds were just a little bit patient they could have all they want in about 25 years.

But they're just stupid enough to try it this way.

2 posted on 01/08/2013 4:09:18 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Red Steel
If you don’t get an NFA license, you can expect the SWAT teams to descend on your house.

They'll be "descending" for eternity!

3 posted on 01/08/2013 4:12:55 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Red Steel
Semi-automatic—I assume they mean the mechanical double action of fire then reload...

...covers most everything except muzzle loaders if you think about it.

4 posted on 01/08/2013 4:14:07 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Alaska Wolf

I’d much rather the SEALs descend on the White House.


5 posted on 01/08/2013 4:14:21 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Red Steel

Reid began this ‘nuclear option’ campaign right before Sandy Hook.. The plan for the plan has been planned!


6 posted on 01/08/2013 4:17:26 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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Of COURSE McCain is going to stab us in the back.
RINOs ALWAYS act in this fashion.
Is anyone actually surprised?


7 posted on 01/08/2013 4:19:41 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Red Steel
Citizens' inalienable rights..


8 posted on 01/08/2013 4:23:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Red Steel

Thank you Arizona. /s


9 posted on 01/08/2013 4:25:17 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Red Steel

I have zero Confidence in the Republican “Leadership” in Washington DC. They will make a little noise and go on the Sunday morning shows but in the end they will fold.


10 posted on 01/08/2013 4:25:40 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: skeeter
If the feds were just a little bit patient they could have all they want in about 25 years.

In 25 years, Obama won't get to be the dictator who seizes control. He will go for it all and that could be our salvation.

11 posted on 01/08/2013 4:27:26 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Red Steel

Never mind the article. I read the comments following and I am aghast at the weakkneed responses. Imagine walking armed down a road and being met by a man coming toward you, also armed, who demands you surrender your weapon to him. There is no reason to debate in this instance or any other. The intent is clear and the act of defense demanded. No government has authority to disarm me in the face of my enemies or beasts of the wild for that matter. Is my level of comprehension so low that I miss seeing a bigger picture all of you see? Or is it a need to jaw-jack when others see only a need to act?


12 posted on 01/08/2013 4:29:06 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: Happy Rain

Yep, will include not only semi-auto pistols but also double action revolvers. Doesn’t leave much does it?


13 posted on 01/08/2013 4:29:45 PM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Red Steel

Just a reminder that most here supported Juan for POTUS - potentially giving him the ability to rule by Executive Order!

One more RINO in a long line of RINOs. Losers all.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 4:31:53 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: snoringbear

They intend to move fast on this ban. Get the ammo you need NOW! Pay cash where you can don’t leave a trail!


15 posted on 01/08/2013 4:37:35 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red Steel

Feinstein is certifiable.

They had best be careful what they wish for. Actions have consequences. The consequences of this one are beyond fathonable.


16 posted on 01/08/2013 4:37:34 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Red Steel

Feinstein is certifiable.

They had best be careful what they wish for. Actions have consequences. The consequences of this one are beyond fathonable.


17 posted on 01/08/2013 4:38:49 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Alaska Wolf
If you don’t get an NFA license, you can expect the SWAT teams to descend on your house.

And some of THEM won't be going home. I'll be waiting. But not there.

18 posted on 01/08/2013 4:38:49 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Noumenon
I'll be waiting. But not there.

There are so many soft targets, it's appalling how many patriot's plans don't go beyond engaging a squad of soldiers on their own doorstep, with their babies sleeping upstairs.

I don't think Sun Tzu would approve.

19 posted on 01/08/2013 4:49:21 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Red Steel

It will not make it through the House regardless. FU mccain.

LLS


20 posted on 01/08/2013 4:51:51 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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