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Whether the Semi-Automatic Weapons Ban Passes Depends on What Happens to the Senate Rules (McCain)
Red State ^ | January 4th, 2013 at 05:48 PM | Michael Hammond

Posted on 01/08/2013 4:06:24 PM PST by Red Steel

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To: Theodore R.

Not all us Zonies cast our our for his last election to the senate. I sure as hell didn’t.

Voted for ‘him’ with Palin. Said never again and followed through.


51 posted on 01/08/2013 6:56:05 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: mrsmith
"proposal for reforming the Senate rules now has 26 co-sponsors, all Democrats. But they represent a healthy ideological cross-section of the entire caucus."

An ideological cross-section? What, from communist to fascist?

52 posted on 01/08/2013 7:01:54 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Red Steel
The leader of the gang of fourteen. How could this get past the house?
53 posted on 01/08/2013 7:08:37 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Red Steel

TSome of the ones who have served a long time have to pretend to be persuaded...

Barack Obama 4/25/05: “The President hasn’t gotten his way. And that is now prompting a change in the Senate rules that really I think would change the character of the Senate forever…what I worry about would be that you essentially still have two chambers the House and the Senate but you have simply majoritarian absolute power on either side, and that’s just not what the founders intended.”

Hillary Clinton 5/23/2005: “So this president has come to the majority here in the Senate and basically said ‘change the rules.’ ‘Do it the way I want it done.’ And I guess there just weren’t very many voices on the other side of the isle that acted the way previous generations of senators have acted and said ‘Mr. President we are with you, we support you, but that’s a bridge too far we can’t go there.’ You have to restrain yourself Mr. President.

Charles Schumer 5/18/2005: “We are on the precipice of a crisis, a constitutional crisis. The checks and balances which have been at the core of this Republic are about to be evaporated by the nuclear option. The checks and balances which say that if you get 51% of the vote you don’t get your way 100% of the time. It is amazing it’s almost a temper tantrum.

Harry Reid 5/18/2005: “Mr. President the right to extended debate is never more important than the one party who controls congress and the white house. In these cases the filibuster serves as a check on power and preserves our limited government.”

Dianne Feinstein 5/18/2005: The nuclear option if successful will turn the Senate into a body that could have its rules broken at any time by a majority of senators unhappy with any position taken by the minority. It begins with judicial nominations. Next will be executive appointments and then legislation.

Joe Biden 5/23/2005: This nuclear option is ultimately an example of the arrogance of power. It is a fundamental power grab.

Harry Reid 5/18/2005: “But no we are not going to follow the Senate rules. No, because of the arrogance of power of this Republican administration.”

Chris Dodd 5/18/2005: “I’ve never passed a single bill worth talking about that didn’t have a lead co sponsor that was a Republican. And I don’t know of a single piece of legislation that’s ever been adopted here that didn’t have a Republican and Democrat in the lead. That’s because we need to sit down and work with each other. The rules of this institution have required that. That’s why we exist. Why have a bicameral legislative body? Why have two chambers? What were the framers thinking about 218 years ago? They understood Mr. President that there is a tyranny of the majority.

Dianne Feinstein 5/18/2005: “If the Republican leadership insists on forcing the nuclear option the senate becomes ipso facto the House of Representatives where the majority rules supreme and the party of power can dominate and control the agenda with absolute power.”

Hillary Clinton 5/23/2005: “You’ve got majority rule and then you have the senate over here where people can slow things down where they can debate where they have something called the filibuster. You know it seems like it’s a little less than efficient — well that’s right it is. And deliberately designed to be so.”

Joe Biden 5/23/05: “I say to my friends on the Republican side you may own the field right now buy you won’t own it forever I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don’t make the kind of naked power grab you are doing.”

Charles Schumer 5/23/2005: “They want their way every single time. And they will change the rules, break the rules, and misread the constitution so that they will get their way.”

Hillary Clinton 5/23/2005: “The Senate is being asked to turn itself inside out, to ignore the precedent to ignore the way our system has work, the delicate balance that we have obtain that has kept this constitution system going, for immediate gratification of the present President.”

Max Baucus 5/19/2005: “This is the way Democracy ends. Not with a bomb but with a gavel.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X3lQ...=youtube_gdata


54 posted on 01/08/2013 7:11:22 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith
I remember McCain and his gang of 14. It was so important to sabotage B. Frist using the nuclear option to get conservative jurists an up or down vote in the senate. The first time in my lifetime conservatives had a chance to not just stop the progressives but start turning them back. John destroyed that for the comity of the senate. Harry Byrd was literally dancing with glee. It was one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen.
55 posted on 01/08/2013 7:20:03 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Red Steel
These people will vote for the best interest of the marxists. They will do what they please, constituents be damned. Good luck with calling them.
56 posted on 01/08/2013 7:25:18 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I had a couple other folks on another thread telling me that an AWB will never pass so we are all worried about nothing...

Yeah, I called ‘em “idiots” too so don’t feel bad about thinkin’ it.


57 posted on 01/08/2013 7:36:59 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Nuc 1.1
How could this get past the house?

Depends on how frightened they are.

Of the media. An of us.

58 posted on 01/08/2013 7:42:22 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Red Steel; Travis McGee

If you don’t get an NFA license, you can expect the SWAT teams to descend on your house.


Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement



59 posted on 01/08/2013 7:42:31 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Texas Fossil

“They had best be careful what they wish for. Actions have consequences. The consequences of this one are beyond fathonable.”

“Unintended” consequences, surely!


60 posted on 01/08/2013 8:38:04 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Red Steel

I doubt that Dingy Harry will ever bring Feinstein’s bill to the floor for a vote. He wants to get re-elected himself and there are a bunch of red state Dems up for re-election in 2014. They will not vote for gun control right now. These pols all know that the mood of the country is not for gun control.


61 posted on 01/08/2013 8:50:31 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Red Steel
McCAIN MAY BE WORKING TO STAB US IN THE BACK

No way. Lettuce is a stalwart defended of freedom and a loyal conservative! [choke] Almost wasn't able to type the words.

62 posted on 01/08/2013 9:48:11 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Red Steel
McCAIN MAY BE WORKING TO STAB US IN THE BACK

He can't help it.

It's what he does!

63 posted on 01/08/2013 10:26:29 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Dead Corpse

Oh believe me, I don’t feel bad about thinking it at all. In fact, since there’s not a thing I can do since so many of ny fellow ‘conservatives’ spent the last several years telling me how I had to vote in the very people who just caved on the fiscal cliff thing and will in all likelihood cave on all or even part of the 2nd Amendment, I am taking enormous pleasure in their “WHATT!!! THIS IS NOT FAIR!!!” sniveling.

We tried to tell them principles mattered. We tried to tell them the GOP was only going to screw them. And all we got for our troubles was excuses that continue to this very day and called ‘traitors to our country’ for not going bug nuts over their lib candidates. And I don’t just mean Romney.

Know what? Good. They damn well got what they asked for so they can all STFU about it. When they had the chance to stand up for what was right, they turned their backs on what they claimed to believe in and did everything they could to ‘Win” Well lookie at what they “won”..

We can’t trust a thing the GOP tells us and they side with the Dems more often than not.

Some “Win”

Pissed. Boy am I. And I could give a damn what the idiots have to say because they know I and others like me were 100% right all along.

/Rant


64 posted on 01/08/2013 10:40:17 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
So, is that a yes?

I see where you are coming from and I'm tempted as well to sit home on election day until the GOP gives us a truly conservative candidate to vote for—it may be the only way to teach them short of starting a third party.

But the damn Democrats keep nominating America hating liberal fascists and then it's either Hell or an uncomfortable place and you just can't let the biggest evil bastard win without a fight.

It sux

65 posted on 01/09/2013 2:42:54 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Happy Rain

Wouldn’t cover bolt-, pump- or lever-action.

Not that that’s any reason for celebration.


66 posted on 01/09/2013 3:20:15 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
The fittings on some lever action rifles that allow for constant firing (remember the opening scene of “The Rifleman?”) makes them appear somewhat semi-auto or potentially semi-auto and may give the gun grabbers an excuse to ban them as well.

Which would be a shame since a pistol round lever action makes for a decent home defense weapon.

67 posted on 01/09/2013 3:29:22 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

This issue covers both dims and republicans and it is THE “line in the sand”... watch. I understand what you are saying but this is the foundation of this Republic and enough in DC know it... the communists will vote to ban and they may get it through the communist Senate but the House will not go for it.

LLS


68 posted on 01/09/2013 3:52:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Red Steel

Wouldn’t any legislation have to originate and pass the House first?


69 posted on 01/09/2013 3:52:36 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Red Steel

Gee, what happened to the House?


70 posted on 01/09/2013 4:02:01 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: okie01
So true.
71 posted on 01/09/2013 4:10:57 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Renegade
And guess who will end up with the swat teams full auto toys and other goodies!

That conveniently shoot the same 5.56 ammo as the guns they are coming after..

72 posted on 01/09/2013 4:14:34 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Happy Rain

I can just imagine using a portable battery pack and actuator in the butt stock that will perform the same lever action electrically, or a co2 cylinder and piston.


73 posted on 01/09/2013 4:15:34 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Eye of Unk
If you had a Winchester 94 with an attached hamster cage where the little rodent runs on a treadmill that operates the lever action, the gunphobes would consider that a fully automatic weapon...and since the idea is now out there they must now ban all lever action rifles...

...when they should just ban hamsters;)

74 posted on 01/09/2013 4:39:31 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Happy Rain

I would not be surprised if someone came up with a kit that would indeed turn a lever action into something that fires continuously.

If a full ban gets started and indeed America prepares for the second revolutionary war millions of new AR owners will be searching for burst and full auto sear kits, or getting a 3D printer to make copies they can then use as parts for molds and to then make cast metal parts.

Because of the superior firepower of multiple agencies with a lot more ammunition Americans need an edge other than being numerically superior and having bad breath.


75 posted on 01/09/2013 4:52:43 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Eye of Unk
Some clip fed bolt action rifles are so simple smooth and fast I think it possible a portable battery powered attachment could operate both the loading and firing at fully automatic speeds.

Take out the bottom of the rifle where the clip resides and install a magazine or belt feed capable mechanism and one has a fairly portable mini-gun—retool the works to allow fast barrel replacements and you have a very accurate and deadly weapon.

You know, If the fascist gunphobes do succeed in taking our semi-autos, it will indeed create a cottage industry in home grown AUTOMATIC weapons—then the Obama jackbooted commie thugs will have a real time.

76 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:39 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
If they screw us on this... it will be war. obama is going to sigh an EO banning everything anyway so this will be settled in the SCOTUS and Heller vs DC is now the LAW. “Shall Not Be Infringed”. obama is not king... not yet... and this may end his presidency for all intents and purposes.

LLS

77 posted on 01/09/2013 12:04:06 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Happy Rain

Ruger .308 Scout.


78 posted on 01/09/2013 1:39:16 PM PST by Red Steel
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