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Is America on the eve of a civil war?
WND ^ | January 7, 2013 | Unattributed

Posted on 01/08/2013 4:23:24 AM PST by Perseverando

Exclusive: Jerry Robinson says 2013 could be 'devastating'

Is America on the eve of another civil war? That question is being raised by economist, columnist, radio host and international conference speaker Jerry Robinson on his “Follow the Money Weekly.”

He also talks about eight money tips for achieving financial security in 2013.

But in a commentary on his podcast, he notes the situation facing Americans.

“While I expect to have a very profitable year with my investments and businesses, I can’t seem to shake this nagging suspicion that 2013 may also be one of the most devastating years in American history. Sadly, our nation has become a shadow of its former self. In times past, Americans were often admired by other nations for their strange blend of self-reliance and self-sacrifice. Today, however, Americans have become victims of their own success,” he explained.

“In the not-too-distant past, we were a people who made things. We were a nation of producers and relied heavily upon global consumers to purchase our well-made exports. Today, America’s specialty is consumption and our number one export is a worthless piece of paper known as the U.S. dollar.

“What happened to America? How did a nation that was so prosperous and so unique in its approach to government end up completely bankrupt and run by tyrants?”

He said there are several identifiable issues, including those “power-hungry warring political factions.”

“After all, politicians have always believed that the only thing wrong with the world is that they are not running it,” he said.

He also addresses the issue of financial security during 2013.

He shares the eight powerful money tips that he has used successfully in his own life.

They include:

Commit yourself to financial education Create a charitable giving plan Begin a systematic savings plan

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: civilwar; cw2; economy
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1 posted on 01/08/2013 4:23:30 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Yeah, probably..........


2 posted on 01/08/2013 4:38:40 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: Perseverando

Americans are being pushed hard by a pack of Nitwits who go along with the head moron in the White House.

Anybody who cannot see that Pelosi andher troops are just getting started screwing over our paychecks. Food is expensive and getting worse, money is being tossed in the toilet of foreign aid and money to the Muslim Brotherhood.Now they want to confiscate Firearms. We are rapidly reaching the tipping point where more Americans are taking Government chacks than there are people to supply that money. and still they are thinking of new ways to hose us down. When Obamacare gets into full force and Grandma’s start dying, from rationed care that may push even the liberals over the edge.

My only hope is that if there is a CW2 the Media doesn’t get overlooked.They are the fools dividing the country and supporting a Socialist Muslim in the White House.


3 posted on 01/08/2013 4:38:40 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Perseverando

1.Create a charitable giving plan...


What a fool. We all currently have a charitable giving plan and it’s called welfare along with all entitlements funded by money “ripped” from our hands by the U.S. Government.


4 posted on 01/08/2013 4:41:37 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Perseverando

Civil war? Actual violence? Probably not. However there are now civil divisions within America that are wide and probably permanent. The reasonable social consensus that once drove America to its pinnacle no longer exists. Neither side shares values, likes or socializes with the other,and even tend to live in different areas. A de facto separation has already occurred. It is nearly impossible to forge unified domestic or foreign policy.


5 posted on 01/08/2013 4:41:59 AM PST by allendale
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To: Perseverando

Not stupid, but completely according to Bo and his gang of thieving takers. This is about jacking America’s wealth and rights and has been from the start.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 4:46:27 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: allendale

Agreed. All the civil wars I can think of were started by the equivalent of progressives, not conservatives. Take the US Civil war; Democrats. Take the Spanish Civil War, Franco, Fascist. Conservatives to not start civil wars. Nor is there anybody who would finance it as Conservative causes don’t attract money so much as Fascist causes do. We will get incrementally stepped on until, 30 years from now, Conservatism will be illegal.


7 posted on 01/08/2013 4:47:05 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Perseverando

Were missing a step here, first there is secession of some red states. Civil War will only happens if the USA wants it, I say bring it. We can do the peacefully this time or have a desperate struggle to the bitter end. I am good either way.


8 posted on 01/08/2013 4:50:39 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Perseverando

zer0bama on one side?

I’m on the other....

Molon Labe


9 posted on 01/08/2013 4:52:14 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Perseverando
It would not be "another" civil war if you count the Unpleasantness of 1862-5 as the "first" civil war. That was not a "civil war" in that two or multiple parties were not contending for rule of the same nation. It was the last expression of and brought the end of the States as sovereign entities. It would be the second "civil war," however, if the revolution were counted as the first one. That was a war of indigenous people for control and rule of the same system and territory. The King had more recruits among the colonists than the patriots did.
10 posted on 01/08/2013 5:02:50 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Perseverando

Bump


11 posted on 01/08/2013 5:03:44 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Perseverando

Here is a story I received with a request from the author for it to be spread far and wide.

LLS

___________________________________________________________

Kitty Werthmann survived Hitler.

“What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or read in history books,” she likes to tell audiences. “I am a witness to history. “I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history.

Adolph Hitler

“We voted him in.”

If you remember the plot of the Sound of Music, the Von Trapp family escaped over the Alps rather than submit to the Nazis. Kitty wasn’t so lucky. Her family chose to stay in her native Austria. She was 10 years old, but bright and aware. And she was watching.

“We elected him by a landslide – 98 percent of the vote,” she recalls. She wasn’t old enough to vote in 1938 – approaching her 11th birthday. But she remembers. “Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.”

No so.

Hitler is welcomed to Austria

“In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25 percent inflation and 25 percent bank loan interest rates.

Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs.

“My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.’

“We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933.” she recalls. “We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living.

Austrian girls welcome Hitler

“Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group – Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone in Germany was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back.

“Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

“We were overjoyed,” remembers Kitty, “and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

Austrians saluting

“After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

“Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

“Then we lost religious education for kids

Poster promoting “Hitler Youth”

“Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,’ and had physical education.

“Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.”

And then things got worse.

“The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free.

“We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

“My mother was very unhappy,” remembers Kitty. “When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination.

“I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing.

A pro-Hitler rally

“Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time, unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler.

“It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

“Then food rationing began

“In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death.

“Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

“Soon after this, the draft was implemented.

Young Austrians

“It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps,” remembers Kitty. “During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.

“They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines.

“When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.

“Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

“When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers.

“You could take your children ages four weeks old to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, seven days a week, under the total care of the government.

“The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

“Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna..

“After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything.

“When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full.

“If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

“As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80 percent of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families.

“All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

“We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.

“ Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands.

“Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

“We had consumer protection, too

Austrian kids loyal to Hitler

“We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, and then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

“In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated.

“So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work.

“I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van.

“I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months.

“They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

“As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

“Then they took our guns

“Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

Kitty Werthmann

“No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

“Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

“This is my eye-witness account.

“It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

“America is truly is the greatest country in the world.

“Don’t let freedom slip away.

“After America, there is no place to go.”

Read more: http://blog.beliefne...l#ixzz2HLwfvKi1


12 posted on 01/08/2013 5:10:36 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Perseverando

Not a civil war, a revolution. And for all of the same reasons as the first one.


13 posted on 01/08/2013 5:17:44 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: Perseverando

I won’t accept it as a civil war, closer to a Revolutionary War, but more importantly its the Call of Duty to the law of the Constitution to correct a government gone bad.

Too many people are harping on “Civil War” to instill images of brothers and families split along things like the Mason-Dixon line, though now its more of takers and makers, but all of this taker society was started by a corrupt, illegal Presidency.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 5:17:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Venturer

Special Thanks to Pookie18 – Today’s Toons
15 posted on 01/08/2013 5:27:31 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Thanks for the post. Will read it all later. Can you repost the link to the source? It’s not working for me.

I see some interesting parallels between 2 unnamed infamous world mis-leaders.


16 posted on 01/08/2013 5:33:44 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Venturer
My only hope is that if there is a CW2 the Media doesn’t get overlooked.They are the fools dividing the country and supporting a Socialist Muslim in the White House.

They are the first that need to go.

17 posted on 01/08/2013 5:35:32 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Obadiah
RE: The Media

They are the first that need to go.

Can I get an AMEN.

18 posted on 01/08/2013 5:37:33 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Get your hair clippers, Patriots! The Vichy Republicans asked for it. 2014!)
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To: Eye of Unk; MHGinTN

I visited Texas. I read of the events and the struggle there to remove the yoke of Mexican oppression imposed by the dictator Santa Anna. I went to the various sites where important events occurred. I saw the places where ad hoc groups assembled to provide a semblance of new government.

Sam Houston came along and became the force around which all the disparate groups and individuals could and did unite. They prevailed by force of arms at San Jacinto but mostly by force of pure old will. The desire to prevail, to win, to make change was the motivator for success.

I would offer the Texas war of separation as the example to follow. Sam Houston must be found. San Jacinto must be fought.

We must all become Texans


19 posted on 01/08/2013 5:38:57 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Perseverando

no


20 posted on 01/08/2013 5:48:42 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: LibLieSlayer

That is one scary deja vu read.


21 posted on 01/08/2013 5:50:01 AM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Perseverando

It will be the starving vs. the fat, protected groups.
I see a rise in Racism coming, Violence and riots, Shootings and looting to come. Militia with M-16s at the door of Supermarkets. The Rich states will not be impoverished as a means to support the Unions and Failed social policies.


22 posted on 01/08/2013 6:09:17 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Sirius Lee

Part of me thinks that the media should be the first, but part of me thinks that it should be the agitators & central planners like Ayers.

If it weren’t for them, a rational, peaceful split would be much more likely. That little b*st*rd will plant the first bomb, mark my words.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 6:12:05 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Perseverando
RE :“What happened to America? How did a nation that was so prosperous and so unique in its approach to government end up completely bankrupt and run by tyrants?”

Three simple steps

1) massive immigration legal and illegal
2) Free stuff
3) #1 votes for #2

24 posted on 01/08/2013 6:14:08 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NOT a principle!)
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To: Perseverando

Yeah, we’re just waiting for someone to holler FIRE!!!


25 posted on 01/08/2013 6:23:07 AM PST by macglencoe
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To: Venturer

I have always said you want to make revolution eminent, repeal the withholding law and make people actually write a check for their taxes. Watch heads explode. As long as the moron voter gets a “tax return” they will never understand it is their money and not the government who has been using their money as an interest vehicle instead of them.


26 posted on 01/08/2013 6:26:09 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

I understand that some companies have the employees come down and sign the check to the feds each quarter. So they can see what they are sending the government in aggregate.


27 posted on 01/08/2013 6:29:11 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Perseverando

I will get it from my friend and post it here. His Dad is getting a Pacemaker this morning so it may be afternoon before I can talk to him.

LLS


28 posted on 01/08/2013 6:44:05 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Obadiah

It scared me and that is why I posted it. She is real and the original article has pictures of actual events and her picture.

LLS


29 posted on 01/08/2013 6:46:56 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Perseverando

When Tyranny Becomes Law
Rebellion Becomes Duty


30 posted on 01/08/2013 6:47:05 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Resolute Conservative

You are exactly right.

What used to make my socks stink was when I had to pay estimated tax on what I thought I would earn.

I did not owe the tax until the next April the 15th, and yet if I did not pay in advance I was hit with a penalty.


31 posted on 01/08/2013 6:48:48 AM PST by Venturer
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To: LibLieSlayer

Thanks for replying. Hope your friend’s Dad’s surgery goes well!

Just checked Yahoo and found several articles that appear to be the same: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Kitty+Werthmann+survived+Hitler.&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

Also I didn’t realize that you had posted the entire article.


32 posted on 01/08/2013 7:15:43 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

Two points:

1 - Don’t make it easy for the Obama-Fascists.

2 - Don’t doubt that a civil war could happen

Keep your powder dry, sit back and wait for the rabid liberal Obamabots to fire the first shots. Don’t give them the excuse they need to justify the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the non-political-correct.

Obama likes to be compared to Abe Lincoln.
The comparison may turn out to be more accurate than many now think. Lincoln set the armies of the federal government against the people of the south, ending up with more than 1 million Americans dead or wounded. Obama already literally hates about half of the citizenry. He would happily wipe out the Bitter Clingers without letting it interfere with his next tee-time.

I have often thought of how different the secession of the south and the circumstances leading to the US Civil War might have developed if the South had just taken a stand, but not fired on Fort Sumter.

The federal government had a very limited military before Fort Sumter and had no capability to militarily impose its will on the entire south.

The northern outrage over Fort Sumter (fueled by the media, of course) gave Lincoln the public support he needed to build up the military and to take military action against the secessionist states.

The government and the media are already demonizing conservatives, white males and older people. The feds will be more than happy to have those they see as their enimies open the hostilities.

For those who doubt the government would take large scale action against US citizens just remember that 600,000 Americans killed each other during the last civil war.
At that time the US President elected to use the federal government and the federal military to impose its will on citizens who disagreed with it.

Don’t we already have the federal government imposing its will on us through the TSA? The BATF? Obama’s unconstitutional decrees?

Does anyone doubt that Obama would take large scale action as Lincoln did if he could get away with it?


33 posted on 01/08/2013 7:34:03 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Perseverando

4. Build and maintain six months of emergency liquid savings

I am not sharing my adult beverages with anybody.

5. Diversify your liquid savings

Reference #4.

Never. It all belongs to me.


34 posted on 01/08/2013 7:36:49 AM PST by Gat˙n(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (uuue)
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To: Perseverando

It is going to happen, people are at the breaking point.


35 posted on 01/08/2013 7:46:01 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perseverando

Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement concerning gun control

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2975695/posts


36 posted on 01/08/2013 7:48:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Iron Munro

“Obama likes to be compared to Abe Lincoln.
The comparison may turn out to be more accurate than many now think. Lincoln set the armies of the federal government against the people of the south, ending up with more than 1 million Americans dead or wounded. Obama already literally hates about half of the citizenry. He would happily wipe out the Bitter Clingers without letting it interfere with his next tee-time.”

Stuff like that would make Abe Lincoln spin in his grave. Just like comparing apples to oranges.


37 posted on 01/08/2013 7:49:55 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: sickoflibs

Plus add number #4: Massive voter fraud.


38 posted on 01/08/2013 7:51:35 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Venturer

I have been predicting this for a long time now.


39 posted on 01/08/2013 7:54:52 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perseverando

We are badly divided as a country.


40 posted on 01/08/2013 7:56:43 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Big Mack

It should more aptly be called the war to restore the republic which is what it will really be. The catalyst will just be the fight for guns.


41 posted on 01/08/2013 8:01:02 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Biggirl
RE :”Plus add number #4: Massive voter fraud.”

Yes, Rush assured us that all the polls (except Gallup) that showed Romney would lose were rigged and he would win a landslide, so ‘massive voter fraud’ is the only possible explanation.

“The enthusiasm that got people out in 2010, I'm seeing at every Mitt Romney rally. Romney's drawing crowds of 20,000, 25,000, 30,000, 15,000. “The enthusiasm that we all saw in 2010 is there. The same issues that existed in 2010 exist today. There hasn't been anything that's gotten better.”
Rush: Everything But Polls Say Romney Landslide (Newmax Monday, 05 Nov 2012)

Ignore the polls saying Obama is winning Rush Limbaugh Says, Swing State Polls Are Bogus! (video posted 9/26/2012 )

Those Dems are all powerful rigging all the polls to be consistent with the electoral results.

Sounds like tin foil hats are our only hope now.

42 posted on 01/08/2013 8:04:21 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NOT a principle!)
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To: central_va

***first there is secession of some red states.***

Why not a secession county by county. Many Blue states are actually red with blue cities dominating the political structure.

How many of us would just love to build a fortification around a blue city to keep the rif-raf in, much like the human body builds a wall around a pustule till the pustule destroys itself.


43 posted on 01/08/2013 8:28:59 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: Biggirl
Stuff like that would make Abe Lincoln spin in his grave.

Let him spin.

IMHO his Presidential ranking is somewhere near the bottom.

No other president has the blood of 600,000 American dead on his hands.


44 posted on 01/08/2013 10:34:09 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro

But yet he has his own memorial in DC. Also there have been books that have come out in the last year about him and the civil war. Compared to what we have NOW he is looking better and better by the day.


45 posted on 01/08/2013 10:50:50 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perseverando
Friends Dad came through ok but they had to go back in and reattach a wire after the surgery. All looks good now and he is eating.

The link I provided was the only one in his email. I am glad you found it. The pictures alone are worth looking at the original.

Thanks.

LLS

46 posted on 01/08/2013 4:49:03 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: arthurus
arthurus: "It would not be "another" civil war if you count the Unpleasantness of 1862-5 as the "first" civil war.
That was not a "civil war" in that two or multiple parties were not contending for rule of the same nation.
It was the last expression of and brought the end of the States as sovereign entities."

Obviously, your mind is muddled by myth.
Yes, the first definition of Civil War is: "A war between factions or regions of the same country."
But other definitions include: "The war in the United States between the Union and the Confederacy from 1861 to 1865.
Also called War Between the States."

So let's focus on that first definition, for sake of your confusion.
Do you remember that:

arthurus: "It would be the second "civil war," however, if the revolution were counted as the first one.
That was a war of indigenous people for control and rule of the same system and territory.
The King had more recruits among the colonists than the patriots did."

Sorry, but that is not even close.
First of all:

Bottom line: Revolutionary War Patriots outnumbered Loyalists overall by two or three to one, and served in the US military by more than five Patriots to every one Loyalist.

As for the Revolution being a "Civil War", of course, the Brits considered it that, and would have hung our Founders like common rebels had our guys been defeated.
But the dictionary definition of "Revolution" is replacing the previous government with something radically new and different.

Such decidedly was the case in 1776, but not in 1861.
Rather, secession in 1861 was precisely for the purpose of preserving the Southern Democrats' "peculiar institution" in the face of Northern radical Republican abolitionism.

So the Revolutionary War was a Revolution,
And the Civil War was a, well, Civil War.

47 posted on 01/08/2013 5:49:46 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: allendale
It's obvious that the war waged by the Northeast against the South has only delayed the inevitable breakup of sections of the continent into separate nations.

There is no reason for the south and the mid and south west to remain tied to the two political factions in Washington DC who take turns controlling the spoils they extort from the productive class at gunpoint, spoils which they waste and spend like monopoly money, while ignoring the will of the people outside of the Beltway who pay taxes.

If the average American taxpayer had any idea of the waste and fraud the apparatchiks in Washington from both parties are involved in, all hell would break loose.

Time is running out for the Washingtonians, the jig will soon be up.

48 posted on 01/08/2013 9:23:25 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Eye of Unk
Eye of Unk: "...though now its more of takers and makers, but all of this taker society was started by a corrupt, illegal Presidency."

Least we forget, in 1861 the Democrat "takers" were all Southern slave-holders who lived comfortably by lawfully taking the labor of slaves without fair compensation.
In 1861 the "makers", in addition to slaves themselves, were Republican "free labor", who demanded and received fair compensation for their work, and would not accept "takers" moving their slaves into non-slave territories and states.

So the Big Issue in 1861 was how could the Slave Power continue to protect its special privilege to take the labor of slaves.
In 1861 the Slave Power takers decided to secede and declare war on the United States.

The analogy with today (Democrat takers, Republican makers) is direct and simple, only some of the roles have been reversed.

49 posted on 01/09/2013 4:02:30 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: bert
bert: "I would offer the Texas war of separation as the example to follow.
Sam Houston must be found.
San Jacinto must be fought."

Did you forget that the Battle of San Jacinto (1836) was fought by about 1,000 troops on each side, and a total of three old cannons between them?
The battle lasted all of 18 minutes, and cost the Texas only nine killed.
Victory was quickly won by surprise and courage against a relaxed unprepared enemy.

But any thought of future victories so quick and simple should have been erased by the four years and 600,000 deaths in the Civil War of 1861 - 65.

Bottom line: you are never going to fight your way out of the United States.
Yes, you might lawfully secede, but that would require mutual consent of the other states, which means many years of patient, persistent & frustrating legal efforts.
And if you did ever actually accumulate such political voting power, wouldn't it be a lot simpler just to change those laws you don't like?

50 posted on 01/09/2013 4:32:36 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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