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To: Perseverando

I won’t accept it as a civil war, closer to a Revolutionary War, but more importantly its the Call of Duty to the law of the Constitution to correct a government gone bad.

Too many people are harping on “Civil War” to instill images of brothers and families split along things like the Mason-Dixon line, though now its more of takers and makers, but all of this taker society was started by a corrupt, illegal Presidency.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 5:17:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Eye of Unk; MHGinTN

I visited Texas. I read of the events and the struggle there to remove the yoke of Mexican oppression imposed by the dictator Santa Anna. I went to the various sites where important events occurred. I saw the places where ad hoc groups assembled to provide a semblance of new government.

Sam Houston came along and became the force around which all the disparate groups and individuals could and did unite. They prevailed by force of arms at San Jacinto but mostly by force of pure old will. The desire to prevail, to win, to make change was the motivator for success.

I would offer the Texas war of separation as the example to follow. Sam Houston must be found. San Jacinto must be fought.

We must all become Texans


19 posted on 01/08/2013 5:38:57 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Eye of Unk
Eye of Unk: "...though now its more of takers and makers, but all of this taker society was started by a corrupt, illegal Presidency."

Least we forget, in 1861 the Democrat "takers" were all Southern slave-holders who lived comfortably by lawfully taking the labor of slaves without fair compensation.
In 1861 the "makers", in addition to slaves themselves, were Republican "free labor", who demanded and received fair compensation for their work, and would not accept "takers" moving their slaves into non-slave territories and states.

So the Big Issue in 1861 was how could the Slave Power continue to protect its special privilege to take the labor of slaves.
In 1861 the Slave Power takers decided to secede and declare war on the United States.

The analogy with today (Democrat takers, Republican makers) is direct and simple, only some of the roles have been reversed.

49 posted on 01/09/2013 4:02:30 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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