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Criminals to Journal News: Thanks For the Gun Map
Town Hall.com ^ | 1/3/13 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 01/04/2013 2:19:04 PM PST by Impala64ssa

Former criminals have one thing to say about the Journal News posting a detailed map of gun owners in New York State: criminals are thanking you for the help.

Reformed crooks say the New York newspaper that published a map of names and addresses of gun owners did a great service – to their old cronies in the burglary trade.

The information published online by the Journal-News, a daily paper serving the New York suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, could be highly useful to thieves in two ways, former burglars told FoxNews.com. Crooks looking to avoid getting shot now know which targets are soft and those who need weapons know where they can steal them.

"What they did was insanity," added Shaw, author of "License to Steal," a book about his criminal career.

Meanwhile in another county with gun owners being targeted by the Journal News, public officials are fighting back, saying the newspaper's efforts only invite more crime.

The defiant New York county clerk who has refused to hand over names and addresses of handgun permit holders to a newspaper that has stirred controversy by publishing the public information is standing firm, saying it's a matter of safety.

"This certainly puts my public in danger," Putnam County Clerk Dennis Sant said in reiterating his stance against the Journal News, a daily paper that serves the New York City suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties.

Assemblyman Steve Katz backed Sant, saying the newspaper had exposed the names of those who own guns for no good reason, and said the decision could put people at risk.

“The Journal News has really come up with the perfect map for the perpetrators and for the stalkers and for the criminals,” Katz said. “They have yet to give us a cogent reason why, except for the reason that they can. I am sorry — that is not acceptable.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; enemedia; guncontrol; guns; journalnews; liberalmedia; lsm; mediacorruption; msm; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
Straight from the horse's mouth. Who knows better about the idiocy of this stunt than an ex-con? Would the Urinal-Spews put up an interactive map showing where the sex offendwers and able-bodied welfare recipients live?
1 posted on 01/04/2013 2:19:14 PM PST by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa
LIABILITY

Anybody want to own a news paper?

One gun stolen from any listed house used in a crime, and the paper is toast.

2 posted on 01/04/2013 2:24:30 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Gun crusaders seeking to end gun violence end up becoming an enabler of more gun violence on unarmed citizens.

Yeah, that pretty much sums up liberal thinkers in action.


3 posted on 01/04/2013 2:28:56 PM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: American in Israel

” - - - and the paper is toast. “

Yup. Aiding and abetting a criminal.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 2:33:32 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Impala64ssa

Wait a minute. You guys think criminals are going to rob houses of owners they KNOW are armed?

I’m more worried about government agents going to these houses to collect the guns.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 2:40:36 PM PST by DManA
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To: American in Israel

Maybe the idiots in this “paper” will next post not only the names/addressed of gun holders, but also the type and size of gun at that address.
It would be of great assistance to the “gun seeker” in his “shopping trip” for just the right thing.
Big time /s, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all.


6 posted on 01/04/2013 2:41:38 PM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: DManA

Every leftist communist piece of S$% in this country to drop dead tommorow and i could care less at this point.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 2:43:35 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: DManA
You guys think criminals are going to rob houses of owners they KNOW are armed?

When those owners aren't home, sure.

8 posted on 01/04/2013 2:45:04 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Impala64ssa

since abortions are legal and to celebrated(sarc) by the media, shouldnt those who exercised that right be published too? Especially if we are paying for them now?


9 posted on 01/04/2013 2:46:09 PM PST by radioactivereb ("I'm tryin' to think but nothin' happens!"-Curly Howard)
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To: DManA
You guys think criminals are going to rob houses of owners they KNOW are armed?

Yep. If I were much younger and criminally inclined, I'd watch the gun owners' homes during the day and, while the occupants are all at work, rob them for the guns. Then I could spend my nights using those guns to rob the homes of the non-gun owners.

10 posted on 01/04/2013 2:47:41 PM PST by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DManA

government agents already knew where to go


11 posted on 01/04/2013 2:54:27 PM PST by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: DManA
I’m more worried about government agents going to these houses to collect the guns.

The gubmint already has the addresses. They do not need Google Map to find them.

12 posted on 01/04/2013 2:57:21 PM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: dorothy
You guys think criminals are going to rob houses of owners they KNOW are armed? Yep. If I were much younger and criminally inclined, I'd watch the gun owners' homes during the day and, while the occupants are all at work, rob them for the guns. Then I could spend my nights using those guns to rob the homes of the non-gun owners.

I doubt if you are a gun owner, especially a hand gun owner. Most hand gun owners I know, all rational, honest people, have their gun close to them at all times. They have bought them because of crime and for protection.

13 posted on 01/04/2013 3:00:51 PM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: Impala64ssa
the newspaper had exposed the names of those who own guns for no good reason

I think the writer means the newspaper had no good reason to publish the names, not the gun owners lacking cause to own firearms. Or maybe I'm mistaken.

14 posted on 01/04/2013 3:00:51 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: ProudFossil
Most hand gun owners I know, all rational, honest people, have their gun close to them at all times.

Most gun owners I know have half a dozen firearms, including handguns, rifles, and shotguns -- it's not practical to have them all at hand at all times. Not everyone has a gun safe.

15 posted on 01/04/2013 3:05:18 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Impala64ssa

Liberal do-gooders will be the death of us.


16 posted on 01/04/2013 3:10:53 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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That paper is behaving like a Nazi rag. Some legitimate retribution is in order.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 3:18:46 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: DManA
Wait a minute. You guys think criminals are going to rob houses of owners they KNOW are armed?

The map tells them to avoid the homes while they're occupied, but remember, these are OWNERSHIP PERMITS, the vast majority of which are not allowed outside the house.

We don't know for sure if these are concealed carry, target (you're only allowed to take the handgun to a range, otherwise it MUST be kept at home), or ownership permit, which basically states that you take the gun home and it never leaves your home or business.

So if a burglar waits until the home is unoccupied, he stands a good chance of finding a handgun to steal.

Mark

18 posted on 01/04/2013 3:44:41 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: FoxInSocks
Not everyone has a gun safe.

No rational person who buys firearms for protection would have one. He can save himself the cost of a safe and the guns, and his life if they are NOT ready to use at a moment's notice.

Laws or no laws.

The Law IS a ass!

19 posted on 01/04/2013 3:45:37 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: DManA
Wait a minute. You guys think criminals are going to rob houses of owners they KNOW are armed?

Phase 1: They are going to burglarize armed homes during the day, after seeing two adults leave for work.

Phase 2: They are going to rob unarmed homes, day or night, preferably while the homeowners are at home so they have a guide to the valuables.

20 posted on 01/04/2013 3:55:55 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Impala64ssa
I think the Journal News ought to “lawyer up” for lawsuits against them by people who are burglarized (or worse) for aiding and abetting criminals in determining where to go and where not to go.
21 posted on 01/04/2013 4:04:48 PM PST by detch
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To: MarkL

We can learn a thing or two from the left. They are masters of political Jiu-Jitsu - they can take an attack and turn it to their advantage.

Some 2nd amendment group, or a coalition of them should call a press conference to publicly thank the paper for doing this. And demonstrating why we are so afraid of gun registration and why we are so unalterably opposed to it.

And then read off the names and phone numbers of the people at the paper to call and write with our thanks.


22 posted on 01/04/2013 4:16:32 PM PST by DManA ( A)
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To: radioactivereb
since abortions are legal and to celebrated(sarc) by the media, shouldnt those who exercised that right be published too? Especially if we are paying for them now?
I heard Glenn Beck bring this point up this morning.
23 posted on 01/04/2013 4:21:12 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Just two sentences of this article belong to you Katie. Pretty lazy if you ask me. Does Townhall pay you for this?


24 posted on 01/04/2013 4:22:53 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: DManA
And then read off the names and phone numbers of the people at the paper to call and write with our thanks.

Already done. Everything, and lots more, you need to do that is right here:
http://christopherfountain.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/sauce-for-the-goose/

Mr. Fountain's blog is a large part of why the Journal-News had to hire security guards at the newspaper. I'm sure the bigwigs got personal guards as well.

25 posted on 01/04/2013 4:30:51 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: upchuck

I know where Janet Hasson lives, right near the Winged Foot Golf and Country Club, one of the “old money” parts of Westchester Co.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 4:37:05 PM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: upchuck

I know. That was a good start. Not nearly enough though. Notice how the left took that and used it to make gun owners look bad.


27 posted on 01/04/2013 4:41:45 PM PST by DManA ( A)
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To: Pollster1
Look - bad people can also hurt the children of police officers, prison guards, judges and lawyers who carry guns for protection...

Knowing when ‘mom and dad’ work ( armed with addresses - thanks to the effing "Journal") can give criminals access to the kids. Lowlife's understand ‘getting even’... it's a trait they seem to share with members of the MSM..

28 posted on 01/04/2013 5:37:18 PM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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To: MarkL
OWNERSHIP PERMITS, the vast majority of which are not allowed outside the house.

We don't know for sure if these are concealed carry, target (you're only allowed to take the handgun to a range, otherwise it MUST be kept at home), or ownership permit, which basically states that you take the gun home and it never leaves your home or business.

What the heck are you talking about?

29 posted on 01/04/2013 6:52:29 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ProudFossil
You forgot to mention the 100+ lb gun safe.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 6:54:19 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: thackney
What the heck are you talking about?

When I lived in NY back in 1986 or so, and was looking into bringing a couple of handguns into the state (Westchester Co, actually), I was told that there were 3 sorts of permits issued for handguns. There was concealed carry, but those were very rarely issued unless you had specific needs or great connections. The second was a "target permit," which allowed the handgun to be transported, unloaded and in a locked case, to a shooting range, or a residence permit, where once the handgun is at the home or business, it had to stay there.

I'm not positive about the names, but while I had a buddy with an FFL in MO who could ship the handguns to an FFL holder in NY, when I went to the sporting goods store (Hermans?) at Cross County Shopping Center in Yonkers and was given this information, making me give up on it.

Mark

31 posted on 01/04/2013 7:05:46 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

Thank God I’ve lived in more sane states like Alaska and Texas.

Thanks for the info. Just another reason to live in places where the individual is respected more than the government.

Cheers


32 posted on 01/04/2013 7:15:55 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

OK, hypothetical here, what if the fed pops out an outrageous gun control bill, amounting to confiscation. What do you think the leadership in Texas, Alaska, etc. do? For example, will they refuse enforcement? Arrest federales? Will they trot out talk of secession? Will they mean it? Or do you think that as a class they will collectively cave and leave the dirty work to us “hobbits?” Just curious, since you’ve lived there.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 8:31:49 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ProudFossil

But, ah, Mr. Fossil. I am a gun owner (.357 magnum). Bought it for home protection after being robbed. But I’m in California and the authorities here take a very dim view of any civilian carrying. So it stays locked up at home when I go out.


34 posted on 01/04/2013 9:02:18 PM PST by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Springfield Reformer
OK, hypothetical here, what if the fed pops out an outrageous gun control bill, amounting to confiscation. What do you think the leadership in Texas, Alaska, etc. do? For example, will they refuse enforcement? Arrest federales? Will they trot out talk of secession? Will they mean it? Or do you think that as a class they will collectively cave and leave the dirty work to us “hobbits?” Just curious, since you’ve lived there.

I don't think there is a chance they would go along with any type of confiscations. If the sale of type is banned, they would likely follow that.

35 posted on 01/05/2013 5:05:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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