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George W. Bush Reconsidered (Some perspective on the much-derided 43rd president)
National Review ^ | 01/02/2013 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/02/2013 7:10:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Casie

All this and you still think he was a good president. A good man with a lovely family? You mean the pro-choice Laura?

I give him credit for 2 things: Fighting the loose lending at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and cutting taxes.


41 posted on 01/02/2013 9:43:59 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: SeekAndFind

I said it at the end of Bush’s presidency and I’ll say it again now, GW Bush was one of the finest men to ever serve as president.


42 posted on 01/02/2013 9:44:00 AM PST by upsdriver
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To: beachn4fun

I give him credit for warning about the loose lending at Fannie and Freddie and for the tax cuts.

Almost everything else he did was a disaster. He did not veto any spending, he gave us a more powerful and intrusive federal government (that the libs are enjoying thoroughly), and he invaded 2 countries to go after a loose-knit band of terrorists that slip away to other countries when the heat is on. What have we gotten for our years in Afghanistan and Iraq? The two countries are now more hard-core Islamic than they were, thousands of our people are maimed or dead, and billions were spent and/or stolen by the enemy. Yeah, I would say that’s a pretty crappy record.


43 posted on 01/02/2013 9:54:43 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Darth Reardon
Bush should have declared war... He couldn't, he was president.

Ugh, you're right. Let me amend my comment: Bush should have went before the Senate and asked for a declaration of war.

I believe that he would have gotten it.

44 posted on 01/02/2013 10:17:58 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: upsdriver
“I said it at the end of Bush’s presidency and I’ll say it again now, GW Bush was one of the finest men to ever serve as president.”

I would not disagree with the comment at all. And though a business associate who was a major contributor to both, I believe that GWB and his father WERE two of the finest men to ever serve as president.

- But -

When as President you ignore your own core values and beliefs and allow advisers to lead you into all kinds of silly nonsense and bad ideas,

you cannot be considered a great President.

I feel this slightly more in the case of GWB. He was thrust into a rare and unusual occurrence (9/11). And for a few brief shining moments, he showed us what was inside him and that he could rise to the occasion. But just as quickly, he put his own beliefs aside and decided to follow the ‘advice’ given to him by others.

And that was the beginning of a fine man/weak ineffective President.

45 posted on 01/02/2013 10:19:12 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: 9YearLurker
W and his father were both poor presidents and not actual believers in the conservative cause. Their damage to the GOP and the country has been substantial.

So can you imagine what Jebbie will do? He may be nominated but never elected.

46 posted on 01/02/2013 10:23:10 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Pining_4_TX
I was agreeing with you that he ended up not being a good president. I totally supported him while he was in office but so many of the things he started with good intentions have turned into uncontrollable, ineffective, wasteful, and liberty infringing disasters. I mean seriously, how can anyone defend Chief Justice Roberts or the TSA. Yikes!

He is a good and decent man with a classy wife and two beautiful girls... I just wish he had also possessed a little of Reagan's clear vision and commitment to conservatism.

But of course, hindsight is 20/20.

47 posted on 01/02/2013 10:25:49 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Leaning Right

I think LBJ was worse than GWB; the long-term failed ramifications of both will be forever with us. It’s amazing that TX is the most Republican state in the Union based on elections since 1994, when GWB was first elected governor. I shudder to think what the future holds.


48 posted on 01/02/2013 10:26:56 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: SeekAndFind
"Bush’s aid to Africa to combat the AIDS epidemic saved millions of lives."

Even Bono praised the president for this...

49 posted on 01/02/2013 10:28:33 AM PST by hummingbird (Support Hummingbird Migration!)
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To: Theodore R.

“I shudder to think what the future holds.”

Well I can tell you one thing it holds. Texas is sending up a new senator that the Republican Rino establishment tried to paint as a “Tea Party Candidate.” Well Mr. Cruz didn’t run away from that tag - he in fact embraced it. And he won!!

Don’t know how long he’ll be able to hang onto them in that Washington slime pit, but Texas is sending up a new Senator with a spine and ‘attachments.’

And we are retiring a worthless Rino.

That’s at least a double, and maybe an inside the park home run.


50 posted on 01/02/2013 10:33:07 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Casie
He is a good and decent man with a classy wife and two beautiful girls...

Supporting abortion and homosexual marriage is classy?

51 posted on 01/02/2013 10:39:48 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"....it's recently become obvious where Sadaam’s WMDs went.They went to Syria,just like Colon Bowel told the UN General Assembly a few weeks before the invasion."

I agree with this.

I 've believed this to be true (that the WMD's went to Syria Bekka Valley) after satellites picked up the convoy from Iraq to Bekka Valley.

Why wasn't this highlighted at the time and why isn't it highlighted now?

It isn't being discussed now even with intelligence we had at the time.

Bekka Valley should be confirmed now and info disseminated widely.

52 posted on 01/02/2013 10:42:59 AM PST by hummingbird (Support Hummingbird Migration!)
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To: TADSLOS

Laura was a McGovern Democrat, a real minority position in Midland in 1972. She may still be a “Democrat” in philosophy though her marriage required her to vote in many TX Republican primaries since 1978. I presume she still voted in the May 29, 2012, Repubican primary, as she lives in Dallas. Or maybe she didn’t vote since the Romney nomination was already set in stone. She is definitely like her mother-in-law on the left.


53 posted on 01/02/2013 10:56:22 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The press will repeat any accusation a Dem makes

I think you're forgetting about Carter. The press did not like him much toward the end of his term.

We have a long way to go with Obama and much of the thrill is already gone. It seems to me you take a fairly short view of history.

54 posted on 01/02/2013 11:42:30 AM PST by what's up
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To: Leaning Right
Thomas Ricks was on C-SPAN last night (a repeat showing, I think). He has written a couple of books about the Iraq War and doesn't seem to be much of a fan of GWB but had some interesting points.

He compared FDR to LBJ. FDR listened to his best military men like George Marshall even when he didn't like what they told him. LBJ, in contrast, brought his top generals into the Oval Office and cursed them out.

No wonder FDR did much better dealing with Germany and Japan than LBJ did with a poor peasant country nobody had heard of until JFK started sending troops there.

I believe Victor Krulak would have been Commandant of the Marine Corps except that he insisted on telling the truth to LBJ instead of saying what the President wanted him to tell him.

55 posted on 01/02/2013 11:43:50 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Theodore R.

Even that would be destructive on the level of his father and brother.


56 posted on 01/02/2013 11:45:42 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Leaning Right
I'm sure Bush is a good person, and he'd make a great next-door neighbor. But his failures will haunt this country for generations. Like Vietnam, only much worse.

Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. The BS media made it worse. I seriously doubt our ability to use the Army or Marines for anything beyond punitive raids.

57 posted on 01/02/2013 12:05:06 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Verginius Rufus
LBJ, in contrast, brought his top generals into the Oval Office and cursed them out.

Yep. And close to the same thing occurred before both the Afghan and Iraqi invasions. The tactical generals (not the political ones in DC) thought Rumsfeld's "just-enough" troop strategy was unwise. Rumsfeld shouted those objections down.

58 posted on 01/02/2013 12:06:31 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: upsdriver

Saying it doesn’t make it so.


59 posted on 01/02/2013 12:09:49 PM PST by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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To: TADSLOS
"Supporting abortion and homosexual marriage is classy?"

Ok, fine! He has a wife that can dress appropriately for the occasion, and stand or sit with her legs together. She doesn't tell healthy kids to eat arugala, while she gobbles down ribs. She didn't drop to the floor and do push-ups on the Ellen Degeneres show. And while her husband was in office she didn't insist on taking multi-million dollar vacations every 40-60 days. :p

I guess thats what I meant by classy. haha

60 posted on 01/02/2013 12:40:47 PM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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