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Americans never give up your guns
Pravda ^ | 12/28/12 | Stanislav Mishin

Posted on 12/30/2012 1:34:55 PM PST by Wisconsinlady

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To: Wisconsinlady
Greenwich Village couple busted with cache of weapons, bombmaking explosives: sources

"The privileged daughter of a prominent city doctor, and her boyfriend — a Harvard grad and Occupy Wall Street activist — have been busted for allegedly having a cache of weapons and a bombmaking explosive in their Greenwich Village apartment."
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"People who know Greene say his political views are “extreme,” the sources said."

With people like this still running around the country (Bill Ayers types), the American people MUST remain vigilant, and well armed. Otherwise, who knows what and how much more damage the radical arm of the left will do. If they can disarm us, the left wing communists will be the only ones with the guns.

61 posted on 12/31/2012 8:53:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Wisconsinlady
It's all a dog and pony show to get us “riled up”. They know they're severely outnumbered and won't bet their life on us giving up our weapons. Carry on and don't let them control you or anyone else by getting mad or even.
62 posted on 12/31/2012 9:21:06 AM PST by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks)
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To: muir_redwoods

>>>Massive civil disobedience would work. No one complies with an order to register, surrender or “sell-back” to the tyrants. Derisive laughter would add a nice grace note to the refusal to comply.<<<

We have a winner!

In part that’s what “going Galt” is all about. They can’t take my stuff if I’m not working very hard. If the government is going to treat me like a slave - which they are, apparently - then I’ll respond as a slave, with sullen defiance and, if I can get away with it, undermining and subversion.

By the way, there’s another way to create civil disobedience. There was an Italian communist named Antonio Gramscii who suggested that the best way for the left to take over the West was to slowly infiltrate cultural institutions and use those institutions to propogate their beliefs. He called it “the long march through the institutions.” Well, I’m an English teacher at a local high school, and I’m taking a long march through THEIR institutions. My students read Solzhenitsyn, and my colleague has his students read “Animal Farm.” We are busy undermining leftist ideology one child at a time. I’m on Facebook with many former students, and I spend a lot of time promting thought in opposition to leftist ideas. And, of course, my son has been schooled by me since the day he was born.

Here’s an example. My son comes home with a worksheet about fish farming (a big deal up here in Alaska). The worksheet is an anti-farming diatribe. I ask him how fish are farmed (he doesn’t know), why fish are farmed (ditto), and where they are farmed (ditto). We look over the worksheet and eventually he realizes that the focus of this reading was to teach him how he is supposed to think about a certain issue - in other words, it’s propaganda. So we move on to the questions. The first question (no kidding): “How do you feel about fish farming?”

His answer made me proud. The answer: “I feel like eating some fish sticks.”

He’s a well-liked kid, and told his friends about how stupid the assignment had been, and they laughed about his answer. Score one for the good guys. Or, as Alinsky has taught us, ridicule is impossible to defend against.

This is a cold civil war. We are termites. Someday the whole structure will collapse under the weight of its own contradictions, and the people will remain.

IMHO. God help us.


63 posted on 12/31/2012 11:38:02 AM PST by redpoll
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To: muir_redwoods
I’ve got no ability to create an Internet or social meme but if I could I would suggest a simple, declarative statement such as “Like Hell” for a bumper sticker or a battle cry. It is somewhat similar to Armstrongs response of “Nuts” to the German offer to accept his surrender.
Peet says (to politicians):

You want to mess with health care?
You want gun control?
You want higher taxes?
Restrictions on soft drinks? Salt?
Smaller "carbon footprint"?
Mass transit?

   You first!

You got that, you blood-sucking worms? Your laws apply (all of them) to you. First.

   You first!


64 posted on 12/31/2012 11:49:05 AM PST by Peet (Alles hat ein Ende nur die Wurst hat zwei. (Monroe in "Grimm"))
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To: Jim Robinson; Pollster1

“...The right to bare arms is right up there on my importance list with the right to bare breasts....”

“She had a pair of 38’s...and a .45 pointed right at my chest.”


65 posted on 12/31/2012 1:58:58 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Wisconsinlady; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne; Impy; stephenjohnbanker

We’ve skated right up to the edge of absurd and then leaped right over when the frigging commie Russians understand the Second Amendment better than most Americans do...

But then again...the Commies have ALWAYS understood the Second Amendment better than anyone else, haven’t they...?


66 posted on 12/31/2012 2:01:20 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
We’ve skated right up to the edge of absurd and then leaped right over when the frigging commie Russians understand the Second Amendment better than most Americans do...

in fairness, the muzz/comm/progs abroad have been taught about the USA and its affinity for arms, moreso than our own kids have for at least a half century...

and with the importation of millions of illiterate third world types, weve never been so ill informed, as a nation, of our own history...sad but true...

67 posted on 12/31/2012 2:47:17 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Pollster1
Completely forgivable word error, given that this is Pravda ...

I draw the line, though, at letting them talk us into arming bears.

</old groaner>

68 posted on 01/01/2013 1:57:40 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: DJ Taylor; Former Proud Canadian
In this backward world we now live in, Pravda (Truth in Russian) prints the truth and The Washington Post prints Communist propaganda. Did you ever in your wildest dreams see this coming?

My dad, a patriot, 100% Irish-American in the fifth generation and 100% American and natural-born citizen, died 40 years ago, and yet sometimes I am glad he and my mother did not live long enough to see things like Madonna in her conical metal bras, Barack Obama, rent-boy and bastard Communist white-hater, in the White House, and moral, intellectual, and every other kind of degeneracy known to man, paraded on floats in the streets of our greatest cities -- even in Texas. It would have broken both their hearts.

And oh, by the way, my grandfather was an Al Smith man, a "lunch-bucket Democrat" who thought William Jennings Bryan walked on water, and my dad was a Kennedy man in 1960. No Birchers they, and yet ..... where are the "Defense Democrats" of yore? They run with the Neocons now, what few of them are left, while the Democratic Party itself is held in thrall, in chains, by the Communist Party of the USA -- like a scene out of Star Wars, in the greasy, stinking throne-room of Jabba the Hutt.

69 posted on 01/01/2013 2:19:56 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

I wrote this after the last election and it expresses my views on the current state of our country, and why it came to pass that we are no longer the great nation we once were.

Karma

Barack Hussein Obama, a man with no record of personal accomplishment, no leadership experience, and a man with strong connections to terrorists, criminals, racists, and anti-American Communists pulled it off and was re- elected President of these United States. What does this re-election mean and what does it say about the American people? Could it be that karma will finally bestow the consequences of dishonorable behavior on the American people?

Why do I say this? In answer to my question, let me remind you of this statement and where these words took the American people:

“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”

John Fitzgerald Kennedy Inaugural address, Friday, January 20, 1961

With these words ringing in our ears, my generation went to Vietnam and promised the Vietnamese people we would stand shoulder to shoulder with them until their freedom was secure and the enemies of liberty were defeated. But, it is to America’s eternal shame and disgrace that the American people soon grew tired of this noble undertaking and betrayed the very people who had believed and trusted us.

The American people elected Democrats to our Congress who had rather see American soldiers killed and our country defeated than allow a Republican president to receive credit for defeating our enemies. This Democrat led Congress (the infamous 93rd) cut off funding for the Vietnam War and forced the withdrawal of American combat troops in 1973, but we departed with the hollow promise that we would return if the Republic of South Vietnam was invaded by communist North Vietnam. As everyone must remember, this, again, was a lie.

The tactic we had taught the South Vietnamese was to, when invaded by the North, fall back to a defendable position, stall the communist advance, force the communists to mass their forces before South Vietnam’s defenses, and this would allow time for American forces and air power to return to assist them as we had promised. South Vietnam did just that; for twelve days, outnumbered ten to one, the Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) held and stalled the communist’s advance outside Saigon near a little town called Xuan Loc.

Outside Xuan Loc during April 1975, in an effort as gallant as that of the Spartans at Thermopylae, the ARVN 18th Infantry Division held two North Vietnamese Army Corps at bay for twelve days. Every infantryman in the ARVN 18th Infantry Division died in that stand. None ran away and none survived. They died to a man fighting overwhelming odds and believing to the end we Americans would return as promised.

Just before the last ARVN soldier of the 18th Infantry Division died, he might have rolled over on his back and looked to the sky hoping to see the contrails of American B-52 bombers and he saw nothing. This last ARVN soldier then knew that he, along with all the Vietnamese people, had been betrayed. With his dying breath, this soldier must have then turned his gaze heavenly and beseeched God to Damn America.

Yes, there is such a thing as karma where dreadful consequences are meted out in recompense for dishonorable behavior. The American people’s just rewards for abandoning a valiant ally during their time of need could have been that the chickens came home to roost on the American people with an Obama Presidency, a Nancy Pelosi Congress, a Harry Reid Senate, a John Roberts Supreme Court, and it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving people.

The election of 2008 and re-election of 2012 was about more than just Obama, his arrogance, his empty resume, and his traitorous comrades. Just as karma provides consequences for dishonorable behavior, there are also adverse consequences for irresponsible behavior. As a people deserve the government they vote into office, they also deserve the consequences resulting from that government’s actions or inaction. The consequences of a government not securing a country’s borders is that a people will lose their country as we are now losing ours to an invasion of illegal immigrants. The consequences of not securing a country’s electoral processes to prevent voter fraud is the country will lose its Democracy to a Thugocracy as we have lost ours to a Chicago-mob run Coup d’état.

But the final insult to our Democracy is with the election of Barack Hussein Obama, an avowed Marxist Communist, a significant chapter in American History finally closed. Our sixty-odd year long Cold War with Communism is over and the Communists won the war.

These words precede those of President Kennedy, so no one can say we didn’t see this coming:

“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of Socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”

Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

As we Americans continue to live out the old Chinese curse, “May you live in interesting times.”

by
DJ Taylor
A Vietnam Veteran


70 posted on 01/01/2013 7:18:22 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: muir_redwoods

“Massive civil disobedience would work. “

Look at how the “American People” are voting right now. I mean voting with their $ at gun shows and gun shops. They are going “all in”. This is the real American People, not that nebulous group politicians refer to.

Referencing 1995 60Minutes —
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”

This single person (being kind, here) wants to dictate to the entire country. Same thing happening in Cliff/Debt talks in secret; a few senators dictating to the entire country. Same thing with regulations coming down.

We are looking at the same climate (rule by a few elites) that the Founding Fathers sought to free us from.

How about massive civil disobedience on all fronts. Guns may be the focus now. Other issues as the real American People get the whiff of Royal Dictator Rule.


71 posted on 01/01/2013 7:42:04 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Honk Honk - I am the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs - and I have tightened the sphincter! ....)
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To: Scrambler Bob

I think one of the objectives of civil disobedience is to re-instill real, physical fear in the government. Politicians should tremble at the thought of an armed populace and that fear should be well-founded. The ruling elite should find their freedom of movement circumscribed by real fear for their safety. Sic semper tyrannis.


72 posted on 01/01/2013 8:43:44 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: VRW Conspirator; ReformationFan
That is a very important warning from Solzhenitsyn.

We aren't anywhere close to the point that we need to worry about Stalinist commissars making midnight roundups, but the Second Amendment is an excellent deterrent to make potential dictators recognize the impossibility of such ideas so they never proceed from vain thoughts to real plans.

As for why Pravda is printing these things, as ReformationFan wrote, and several others said in different ways, “Some times it takes people who have actually experienced life under tyranny to truly understand how valuable real freedom genuinely is.” Putin and the Russians and the Chinese are not our friends, but they **DO** understand the danger of Islamofascism and the impossibility of making socialism work. They've learned those lessons from hard experiences.

I'm afraid we in the West going to have to learn those lessons the hard way instead of the easy way.

We kid ourselves if we think these problems are new, or that our enemies sometimes understand our cultural problems better than we do. I spent a significant part of this morning reading translated Nazi propaganda so I could respond effectively to a very good point brought up on a different thread by a Jewish Freeper who I respect a lot. A lot of the Nazi propaganda directed to Germans regarded "Bolshevism" as a decadent ideology that posed no serious long-term threat, but regarded "Americanism" (i.e., freedom, along with its excesses and lack of self-discipline) as the only serious competitor to Nazi ideology for the hearts and minds of the world. Attacking American immorality and lack of discipline is not new; many of those propaganda pieces attacking Roosevelt-style economics and American movies and music could be written by many conservatives today.

The problem, of course, is that the Nazis correctly diagnosed the problems of American liberalism but didn't understand that freedom, not fascism, is the solution.

73 posted on 01/01/2013 10:13:56 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: DJ Taylor
“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of Socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”
--Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

This quote is controverted in some of the "truth"/"factchecker" sites. It originated with Ezra Taft Benson, Dwight Eisenhower's secretary of agriculture, who hosted Nikita Khrushchev for half a day during Khrushchev's state visit to the U.S., the first by a Communist tyrant.

Liberals bitterly criticize the "truth content" of this quotation and use lots of epithets when discussing it: "far right wing", "Birchers", "anti-communist zealot", the usual catalog of LSM abuse. They point to the fact that Benson had been interested in the views of Birchers as a young man, but they simultaneously resist any truthful assertion that the Mormon Temple did, in fact, consider, inspect, reject, and condemn Bircherism as an inadequate response to the threat posed by Communists and their sympathizers.

It remains to say that part of the liberal attack has been to claim, without shame and strongly resisting any attempt at inspection of their own record for "truthiness", falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which is the sort of fallacy trotted out by someone who would attempt to falsify Summa Theologica if only it could be shown that Aquinas got the date wrong when he signed the foreword of the first edition. (So to speak.)

Benson quoted Khrushchev on the gradual-subversion theme twice, first as an unsourced second- or third-hand quote that he included in a 1962 book. Later, in a 1966 speech, Benson quotes Khrushchev again, this time as a first-person eyewitness. Benson says Khrushchev told him something very similar to the quote in the 1962 book, during the half-day of touring American farms and farm equipment that Benson and Khrushchev had spent together in 1959.

Liberals attack Benson as self-inconsistent because the two quotes are slightly different, and also because the quotes diverge from the standard Marxist line of that time on the crisis and collapse of capitalism and the West: Khrushchev could not have uttered Benson's quote, because it wasn't Communist orthodoxy. (And neither were Teng Hsiao-Ping's cats.)

They also complain that the 1959 visit preceded both the 1962 book and the later speech; if Khrushchev had said something in Benson's presence in 1959, why would Benson then use a third-hand quote instead of his own, slightly different, eyewitness account of what K. had said during his state visit?

Liberal commenters, including original commenter David Emery (who displays his liberal bigotry in the open for a change), deploy the fallacies ad hominem, ad ignorantiam (inverse-bandwagon fallacy, which latter is called ad populum by logicians), and falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus (aka, "Science has been wrong before"), a false dichotomy which demands perfect, total truth from the proposition or person being attacked (FIUFIO is a legal, not a logical or scientific, proposition, and reflects the adversarial, dominative, and eye-gouging nature of courtroom discourse), the alternative being the crank's preferred outcome of total rejection.

David Emery's UrbanLegends putdown and following discussion of the Khrushchev quote are here:

http://tinyurl.com/ykmrbkj


74 posted on 01/01/2013 1:05:35 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Purrcival

Ping.


75 posted on 01/02/2013 3:16:48 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for the ping


76 posted on 01/03/2013 2:36:23 PM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Purrcival

You’re welcome.

You should at least download a copy.

For a few bucks you could probably take the pdf to somewhere like Kinko’s and print a copy.


77 posted on 01/03/2013 5:09:44 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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