Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Americans never give up your guns
Pravda ^ | 12/28/12 | Stanislav Mishin

Posted on 12/30/2012 1:34:55 PM PST by Wisconsinlady

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: american; banglist; guncontrol; guns; pravda; secondamendment
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-77 next last
It is so sad that Pravda understands the reason why liberals hate guns-that the reason we need them is to protect ourselves from tyrants.
1 posted on 12/30/2012 1:35:07 PM PST by Wisconsinlady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

How is it that a Russian journalist understands the importance of the US Constitution’s 2nd Amendment when there are hardly ANY American “journalists” wno do? We are cursed to live in “interesting” times.


2 posted on 12/30/2012 1:41:02 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady
the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions

I am 100% in favor of the rights to bare arms and the right to bear arms. Neither should be infringed. [Completely forgivable word error, given that this is Pravda, and they are translating into a non-native language.]

3 posted on 12/30/2012 1:42:06 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

I never thought I’d live to see the day that the Russians would set us straight.


4 posted on 12/30/2012 1:46:16 PM PST by Publius ("A centralized government is a centralized evil." -- Gen. John Graham)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1

The right to bare arms is right up there on my importance list with the right to bare breasts.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 1:47:00 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: 43north

> How is it that a Russian journalist understands the importance of the US Constitution’s 2nd Amendment when there are hardly ANY American “journalists” wno do? We are cursed to live in “interesting” times.

A. “the Emporer have no clothes syndrome”
B. He’s the first black president; white folks were bad to black people for hundreds of years so we owe to them to put up with him. It’s our punishment.
C. The youth were brainwashed by liberal education.
D. The culture we live in worships celebrities; they can do no wrong.
E. Satanic mind control. He’s the AntiChrist. Satan has his back and giving him power over lesser minded individuals who don’t believe in God.
F. All of the above.

: )


6 posted on 12/30/2012 1:48:06 PM PST by jsanders2001
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
Anything for our host:

There you go - bare - although breaded is nice too.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 1:53:44 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

Pravda


8 posted on 12/30/2012 1:54:04 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

9 posted on 12/30/2012 1:56:11 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady
Russians: BTDT
Americans: About to get our 'time in the barrel'
10 posted on 12/30/2012 1:57:23 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

Pravda sees that only free men are armed, yet the left would tell you that you would be better off if only government goons had guns.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 1:58:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
Bear arms first and bare arms later.

Then again, the Israelis show is that we can have our cake and eat it too...


12 posted on 12/30/2012 2:06:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady
Pravda is not interested in helping us protect ourselves from tyrants. They are our enemy too. The Russian communists are just trying to feed the debate - to stir the pot and encourage the unrest that exists among us.

As we prepare for what could be a horrible struggle we need to keep this in perspective: Win or loose we will still have foreign enemies.

13 posted on 12/30/2012 2:10:57 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

Why aren’t Republicans trumpeting the failure of the Gun Free School Zone Act to keep kids safe and calling for it’s repeal?


14 posted on 12/30/2012 2:11:57 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

Did you ever think you’d live to see the truth about our constitution coming from Pravda, and the NY Times as the government’s mouthpiece ?


15 posted on 12/30/2012 2:11:58 PM PST by YankeeReb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

So I hear that citizens should rise up as a mass group and storm federal buildings with arms, should the government try to take away our arms by going door to door. At least that is what I hear. Anyone else hear of any other ideas?


16 posted on 12/30/2012 2:16:58 PM PST by roadcat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

“For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room.”

From the article. Bears repeating. Let’s not turn out the light, eh? The right of self defense is God given. It doesn’t belong to the state or even political majorities.


17 posted on 12/30/2012 2:18:44 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

Tagline.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 2:22:19 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Publius

Some times it takes people who have actually experienced life under tyranny to truly understand how valuable real freedom genuinely is.


19 posted on 12/30/2012 2:23:04 PM PST by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ReformationFan; Publius; Tigerized
Some times it takes people who have actually experienced life under tyranny to truly understand how valuable real freedom genuinely is.

That is extremely true.

20 posted on 12/30/2012 2:27:41 PM PST by bootless ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."~RWR)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady
Lots of Truth in Pravda these daze.

It's unbelievable.

21 posted on 12/30/2012 2:27:51 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, polkers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
- Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn


22 posted on 12/30/2012 2:28:05 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady
"...bare arms.... "

Is that like Open Carry?

23 posted on 12/30/2012 2:29:06 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: broken_arrow1
"Pravda"

True Dat.

24 posted on 12/30/2012 2:30:54 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ez
Why aren’t Republicans trumpeting the failure of the Gun Free School Zone Act to keep kids safe and calling for it’s repeal?

Because Republicans enacted the current GFSZA (in 1996) after the Lopez ruling struck down the original act.

25 posted on 12/30/2012 2:31:50 PM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: InABunkerUnderSF
"Win or loose we will still have foreign enemies. "

WE HAVE ALREADY LOST!

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

26 posted on 12/30/2012 2:40:27 PM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: roadcat
"...storm federal buildings with arms..."

Likely poor tactics after the first one.

27 posted on 12/30/2012 2:40:47 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: VRW Conspirator

Outward oriented IEDs at the door.


28 posted on 12/30/2012 2:42:26 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: TigersEye

I suddenly want some cake,,,,


29 posted on 12/30/2012 2:42:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2
"...storm federal buildings with arms..."

Storming the leftwing MSM newsrooms would be a better way to clean up the stench of cheerleading lickspittles. I don't see where Bagdad Bob should get a free pass.

30 posted on 12/30/2012 2:43:57 PM PST by Sirius Lee (Sarah Palin - "Republicans like Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2
"...storm federal buildings with arms..."

Storming the leftwing MSM newsrooms would be a better way to clean up the stench of cheerleading lickspittles. I don't see where Bagdad Bob should get a free pass.

31 posted on 12/30/2012 2:43:57 PM PST by Sirius Lee (Sarah Palin - "Republicans like Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
The right to bare arms is right up there on my importance list with the right to bare breasts.

LOL!

32 posted on 12/30/2012 2:46:09 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: YankeeReb
Umm, no, I didn't think I would live to see far more truth from Pravda than the NYT.

Up is down, black is white, and the re-elected president of the US is a moslem communist of extremely low character.

Time to go Galt.

33 posted on 12/30/2012 2:50:33 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Publius

The Russians understand because they’ve been there.. We are headed there and won’t know until after we’re there. ‘We’ being the average American, of course.


34 posted on 12/30/2012 3:01:50 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: roadcat

The ATF/FBI or local police of whoever, goes to a private residence to confiscate guns and.. Becomes surrounded and vastly outnumbered by neighbors with guns.


35 posted on 12/30/2012 3:03:54 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2

www.zjstech.net/~ddixson/Unintended_Consequences.pdf


36 posted on 12/30/2012 3:04:03 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: 43north
We are becoming as they were and they are becoming as we were.

I hate to admit it, but Putin is right about us and what we have become.

37 posted on 12/30/2012 3:11:27 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: InABunkerUnderSF

“Pravda is not interested in helping us protect ourselves from tyrants. They are our enemy too. The Russian communists are just trying to feed the debate - to stir the pot and encourage the unrest that exists among us.”

China and Russia are playing us on both ends. What they want is destabilization, and rebellion which weakens our ability to project power abroad. A US in turmoil makes it easier for China to take Taiwan and dominate the Pacific. Russia wants more control in the Arctic and may provide indirect military support for an independent Alaskan state. However, right now, I would have to say that the greatest threat to our liberty is from 0bama and his government, not foreign powers.


38 posted on 12/30/2012 3:32:29 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Redcoats visit Concord and Lexington to disarm the peeps......


39 posted on 12/30/2012 3:42:49 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: roadcat

Massive civil disobedience would work. No one complies with an order to register, surrender or “sell-back” to the tyrants. Derisive laughter would add a nice grace note to the refusal to comply.


40 posted on 12/30/2012 3:47:15 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: VRW Conspirator

Solzhenitsyn

He had it correct. Thanks for the quote. I hope our people have learned from history.


41 posted on 12/30/2012 3:58:54 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

Very good article, though I wish the author had used the correct form of ‘bear’. ‘The right to bare arms’ is what they’re pushing for in Saudi Arabia. ;)


42 posted on 12/30/2012 4:00:48 PM PST by nagelbett
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Nice. That is sooo touchy-feely.


43 posted on 12/30/2012 4:01:06 PM PST by bigheadfred
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

This was worth the posting just for the comments amount the “right to bare arms” and breasts! Thanks for the laughs.


44 posted on 12/30/2012 4:08:35 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Former Proud Canadian

In this backward world we now live in, Pravda (Truth in Russian) prints the truth and The Washington Post prints Communist propaganda. Did you ever in your wildest dreams see this coming?


45 posted on 12/30/2012 4:09:58 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Former Proud Canadian

In this backward world we now live in, Pravda (Truth in Russian) prints the truth and The Washington Post prints Communist propaganda. Did you ever in your wildest dreams see this coming?


46 posted on 12/30/2012 4:10:16 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Bwahaha!! LOL!!! Happy New Year Jim to you and yours!!!!


47 posted on 12/30/2012 4:28:12 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: VRW Conspirator

Excellent. Most people just don’t get it. When the progressives make their move after they collapse the system, they will operate the exact same way Lenin/Stalin or Hitler or Mussolini did. The true test of American resolve will be coming within a few short years.


48 posted on 12/30/2012 6:46:19 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Save the nation, have your family's progressives spayed or neutered.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: DJ Taylor

Nope That is akin to “Pigs will fly before…” You complete the sentence!


49 posted on 12/30/2012 7:45:32 PM PST by Buddygirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Wisconsinlady

This is the very definition of “irony”. . . .


50 posted on 12/31/2012 2:22:23 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-77 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson