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Illinois clergy endorse gay marriage bill
Chicago Tribune ^ | December 24, 2012 | Manya A. Brachear

Posted on 12/28/2012 5:11:18 AM PST by 1010RD

Edited on 12/28/2012 5:14:39 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

More than 250 Illinois clergy most of them in the Chicago area have endorsed a gay marriage bill that could come up for a vote in Springfield before Jan. 9.

On Sunday, rabbis and pastors from denominations that support gay rights in varying degrees unveiled a declaration supporting equality for same-sex couples. Fostering faith, justice and compassion is a key component of their jobs, they said.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: celebraterperversity; celebratesin; chicago; cultureofcorruption; homosexualagenda; religiousleft; samesexmarriage
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At the heart of this is the question - is homosexuality normal or abnormal? If it is normal then same-gender attraction must be tolerated and given the same standing as historical man/woman marriage.

Normal is defined as: 1.usual: conforming to the usual standard, type, or custom 2.healthy: physically, mentally, and emotionally healthy 3.occurring naturally: maintained or occurring in a natural state

We know that homosexuality occurs naturally. There is no homosexual gene, but epigenetic changes affecting hormones and a child's environment seem to be the cause of homosexuality. It occurs in some animal species, but is an evolutionary dead end.

Is it usual? No, homosexuality is rare and unusual. Heterosexuality is common and usual. There are no successful civilizations built on homosexuality. The history of humankind is heterosexual. So in this case homosexuality is abnormal.

Is it healthy? No, homosexuality is not healthy from a physical standpoint and homosexuals suffer from a variety of diseases directly related to their sexual practices. Homosexuality is not mentally healthy. See the DSM prior to 1972. Also see WBEZ's This American Life for Ira Glass' excellent episode on how the APA changed homosexuality from a mental illness listed in the DSM based not on any science, but on emotion and politics: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-words

It is also not emotionally healthy as seen in the suicide rate, drug and alcohol abuse rate and physical abuse rate in the homosexual community. Keep in mind that homosexuals are a very small subset of the human population, but a very large subset of the above groups. Even the term "gay" is an intentional misnomer created by those with same-gender attraction to describe their misery.

Given the above we should not be indulging those with same-sex attractions or encouraging more of it, but lovingly treating those with same-gender attraction. It remains a mental illness despite the politics and emotion surrounding the issue and is treatable as those who have left the lifestyle will attest.

1 posted on 12/28/2012 5:11:21 AM PST by 1010RD
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Also note that the bill endorses “gender identity” so that the mental illness of transvestitism or transexuality are also “normalized”.

Can you imagine the Pandora’s Box of problems that come with nomalizing a person who thinks they’re the wrong sex?


2 posted on 12/28/2012 5:14:20 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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but lovingly treating those with same-gender attraction. It remains a mental illness

BS! It is not a mental illness - you bought the lie! It is pure evil!

3 posted on 12/28/2012 5:16:25 AM PST by presently no screen name
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250 Leaders of Apostate Churches Endorse Gay Marriage Bill

Sorry, had to ACCURATELY correct the header!

4 posted on 12/28/2012 5:20:23 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Glad you pointed that out....how many of the established church leaders follow this concept....zero.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 5:23:02 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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"Fostering faith, justice and compassion is a key component of their jobs, they said."

Really? Faith in what, precisely? Certainly not scripture. Sounds like those 250 people chose the wrong line of work.
6 posted on 12/28/2012 5:24:48 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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I disagree with your assertion of homosexuality occurring “naturally!”

Hormones swings of high concentrations do not change your sex. They do not “cause” you to become homosexual, that is a choice. It may even be that “feelings” or “motivations” are strong. You may be “aroused” by seeing nakedness of the same sex and not of the opposite sex...it does NOT make you homosexual. It is an out of balance condition that when balanced changes everything you “feel.” Whether or not you act on it, when you go in that direction against what you later established firmly as abnormal then says you are homosexual or not. It is a choice, notwithstanding the feelings...you must act.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 5:25:20 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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presuming the epigenetic thesis is correct, homosexuality is correctable!
8 posted on 12/28/2012 5:25:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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It’s a CHOICE. JMHO.


9 posted on 12/28/2012 5:27:17 AM PST by FES0844
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To: ICE-FLYER
mad cow disease occurs naturally. primal dwarfism involves no more than a single basepair for example, so absence of high frequency of occurrence does not make something non existent at the level of DNA.

We are near to having technology available to correct DNA problems ~ in fact, glucophage and glipizide appear to work by rewriting DNA in the cell nucleus ~ and they've been around a good 20 years.

When the CURE appears on the market in pill form we'll still have folks wandering about telling us that it's a choice ~ and they'll refuse to take their pills.

We will have to make the cure mandatory.

10 posted on 12/28/2012 5:31:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PowderMonkey

and they in turn are misleading their congregations, too, so there will be a special place in hell for them.

God does reign supreme, and He will hold them accountable!


11 posted on 12/28/2012 5:31:28 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: 1010RD; mickie; oswegodeee; flaglady47; Chigirl 26; Bushbacker1; prairiebreeze; magnum force 1; ...
Looks like the Trib doesn't have the space in its rag to list the churches endorsing gay marriages. Strange, isn't it, since there's no uproar from the media about the list of names and addresses of thousands upon thousands of gun owners by a shameless NY newspaper.

I'll wager this endorsement list will be the most interesting since Santa's 2012 Christmas list.

I'll also bet that the list is loaded with non-denominationals, radical and "progressive" main stream churches, college campus "churches", ministers who are Obama's old buddies and supporters in his old community-organizer neighborhood, and some just plain independently weird congregations scattered here and there around Illinois.

If any Freeper comes across the entire list and cares to post it here, I'd sure appreciate it and I'm sure others would, too....just to be "checkin' it twice" to get the feel of the pro-gay movement among the "religious" pastors, ministers, priests and rabbis in the state.

When will we see published an anti-gay marriage list of clergy endorsers by the liberal leading Chicago newspapers, hmmm?

Leni

12 posted on 12/28/2012 5:39:44 AM PST by MinuteGal (I'm Going to Update the Name That No One Dares to Utter and I'll Use It From Now On......OBAMUNISM !)
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Whenever you see public officials endorse homosexual marriage, you will always find a wealthy homosexual benefactor hiding in the background. Just like Glen Beck and Newt Gingrich suddenly endorsing queer marriage. They were bought off. There is an Obama troglodyte (Rahm Emmanuel) hiding somewhere in all this. You can bank on it.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 5:41:36 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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This country sure is obsessed with homosexuality. Everything is about homosexuality these days. We’ve become a nation of sexual deviants.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 6:03:39 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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Any words of support from NOI leader Louis Farrakhan yet?


15 posted on 12/28/2012 6:11:42 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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I read you comments with interest, and there's a lot of truth there; but I must respectfully disagree with your statement that the heart of the question is: is homosexuality normal or abnormal?

I say this because there are a lot of things that are normal (by some a simple one-part definition: i.e. does it occur in nature) and are also very damaging to human flourishing. You sort of covered this by asserting a complex 3-part definition of "normal" --- I get that --- but most people wouldthink of "normal" meaning "within a standard range of variations," and conclude that hoimosexuality is normal just like left-handedness is normal.

I would argue that the heart of the question does not require an evaluation of homosexuality as a trait (a tendency or personality variation) but does demand an evaluation of marriage.

Namely, in a world with a huge number of friendship and relationship possibilities, how is marriage uniquely suited only for a male and a female?

Most forms of friendship between adults occur without any external ceremonies, licensing, or regulations. It is assumed that two adults (or three, or any number of adults) will regulate their quilting circle, their bowling team, their fitness-walking-buddyhood, their joint foodie explorations, their gabfests, their romances and amours, or whatever, according to their own preferenes and without public recognition or oversight.

If the adults' relationship involves money, or property, or goods or services, that's what private contracts are all about: again, the adults are assumed capable of contracting to their own mutual satisfaction.

In sum: adults don't need oversight to regulate their relations with colleagues, friends, or lovers.

How is marriage between a woman and a man different from this? Because their sexual union (formalized in marriage) is the only kind of sexual union which can bring forth dependent offspring. And there needs to be an institution which keeps the man and the woman together with any children they bear.

In other words, marriage is not essentially about the intimate relations of adults. Theyu can manage that as they like. Marriage is essentially a bond between a potentially procreating couple, and the children who result from the bond.

If it were not for the possibility of begetting, the state would have no legitimate interest in the relationships of adults per se. There is no PUBLIC interest in regulating romances and love affairs. The PUBLIC interest is in securing the rights of dependent children by recognizing and defending their bond with their natural father and mother.

16 posted on 12/28/2012 6:12:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, May the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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>>250 Leaders of Apostate Churches Endorse Gay Marriage Bill<<

250 Leaders of congregations bowing to the father of lies, satan, endorse gay marriage.

Just had to bring a tad bit more clarity to the situation.

17 posted on 12/28/2012 6:14:19 AM PST by servantboy777
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Fostering faith, justice and compassion is a key component of their jobs, they said.

I guess that supersedes fostering adherence to the very clear Biblical stances against homosexuality.

18 posted on 12/28/2012 6:14:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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>>250 Leaders of Apostate Churches Endorse Gay Marriage Bill<<

250 Leaders of congregations bowing to the father of lies, satan, endorse gay marriage.

Just had to bring a tad bit more clarity to the situation.

19 posted on 12/28/2012 6:17:44 AM PST by servantboy777
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Double tap....lol


20 posted on 12/28/2012 6:18:39 AM PST by servantboy777
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