Normal is defined as: 1.usual: conforming to the usual standard, type, or custom 2.healthy: physically, mentally, and emotionally healthy 3.occurring naturally: maintained or occurring in a natural state
We know that homosexuality occurs naturally. There is no homosexual gene, but epigenetic changes affecting hormones and a child's environment seem to be the cause of homosexuality. It occurs in some animal species, but is an evolutionary dead end.
Is it usual? No, homosexuality is rare and unusual. Heterosexuality is common and usual. There are no successful civilizations built on homosexuality. The history of humankind is heterosexual. So in this case homosexuality is abnormal.
Is it healthy? No, homosexuality is not healthy from a physical standpoint and homosexuals suffer from a variety of diseases directly related to their sexual practices. Homosexuality is not mentally healthy. See the DSM prior to 1972. Also see WBEZ's This American Life for Ira Glass' excellent episode on how the APA changed homosexuality from a mental illness listed in the DSM based not on any science, but on emotion and politics: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-words
It is also not emotionally healthy as seen in the suicide rate, drug and alcohol abuse rate and physical abuse rate in the homosexual community. Keep in mind that homosexuals are a very small subset of the human population, but a very large subset of the above groups. Even the term "gay" is an intentional misnomer created by those with same-gender attraction to describe their misery.
Given the above we should not be indulging those with same-sex attractions or encouraging more of it, but lovingly treating those with same-gender attraction. It remains a mental illness despite the politics and emotion surrounding the issue and is treatable as those who have left the lifestyle will attest.
Also note that the bill endorses “gender identity” so that the mental illness of transvestitism or transexuality are also “normalized”.
Can you imagine the Pandora’s Box of problems that come with nomalizing a person who thinks they’re the wrong sex?
BS! It is not a mental illness - you bought the lie! It is pure evil!
Sorry, had to ACCURATELY correct the header!
I disagree with your assertion of homosexuality occurring “naturally!”
Hormones swings of high concentrations do not change your sex. They do not “cause” you to become homosexual, that is a choice. It may even be that “feelings” or “motivations” are strong. You may be “aroused” by seeing nakedness of the same sex and not of the opposite sex...it does NOT make you homosexual. It is an out of balance condition that when balanced changes everything you “feel.” Whether or not you act on it, when you go in that direction against what you later established firmly as abnormal then says you are homosexual or not. It is a choice, notwithstanding the feelings...you must act.
It’s a CHOICE. JMHO.
I'll wager this endorsement list will be the most interesting since Santa's 2012 Christmas list.
I'll also bet that the list is loaded with non-denominationals, radical and "progressive" main stream churches, college campus "churches", ministers who are Obama's old buddies and supporters in his old community-organizer neighborhood, and some just plain independently weird congregations scattered here and there around Illinois.
If any Freeper comes across the entire list and cares to post it here, I'd sure appreciate it and I'm sure others would, too....just to be "checkin' it twice" to get the feel of the pro-gay movement among the "religious" pastors, ministers, priests and rabbis in the state.
When will we see published an anti-gay marriage list of clergy endorsers by the liberal leading Chicago newspapers, hmmm?
This country sure is obsessed with homosexuality. Everything is about homosexuality these days. We’ve become a nation of sexual deviants.
Any words of support from NOI leader Louis Farrakhan yet?
I say this because there are a lot of things that are normal (by some a simple one-part definition: i.e. does it occur in nature) and are also very damaging to human flourishing. You sort of covered this by asserting a complex 3-part definition of "normal" --- I get that --- but most people wouldthink of "normal" meaning "within a standard range of variations," and conclude that hoimosexuality is normal just like left-handedness is normal.
I would argue that the heart of the question does not require an evaluation of homosexuality as a trait (a tendency or personality variation) but does demand an evaluation of marriage.
Namely, in a world with a huge number of friendship and relationship possibilities, how is marriage uniquely suited only for a male and a female?
Most forms of friendship between adults occur without any external ceremonies, licensing, or regulations. It is assumed that two adults (or three, or any number of adults) will regulate their quilting circle, their bowling team, their fitness-walking-buddyhood, their joint foodie explorations, their gabfests, their romances and amours, or whatever, according to their own preferenes and without public recognition or oversight.
If the adults' relationship involves money, or property, or goods or services, that's what private contracts are all about: again, the adults are assumed capable of contracting to their own mutual satisfaction.
In sum: adults don't need oversight to regulate their relations with colleagues, friends, or lovers.
How is marriage between a woman and a man different from this? Because their sexual union (formalized in marriage) is the only kind of sexual union which can bring forth dependent offspring. And there needs to be an institution which keeps the man and the woman together with any children they bear.
In other words, marriage is not essentially about the intimate relations of adults. Theyu can manage that as they like. Marriage is essentially a bond between a potentially procreating couple, and the children who result from the bond.
If it were not for the possibility of begetting, the state would have no legitimate interest in the relationships of adults per se. There is no PUBLIC interest in regulating romances and love affairs. The PUBLIC interest is in securing the rights of dependent children by recognizing and defending their bond with their natural father and mother.
I guess that supersedes fostering adherence to the very clear Biblical stances against homosexuality.
Nothing about Iillinois surprises me anymore. I have met many horrible and pathetic excuses for human beings from that state and this is not just a few here or there. Every last one of em I’ve met seems to be liberal and foul-mouthed with a nasty deposition. And just about every one of them were alcoholics and/or drug users. Need I say I don’t care fr that state or it’s people though there may be a few exceptions but I’m willing to bet they’re transplants.
Nothing about Iillinois surprises me anymore. I have met many horrible and pathetic excuses for human beings from that state and this is not just a few here or there. Every last one of em I’ve met seems to be liberal and foul-mouthed with a nasty disposition. And just about every one of them were alcoholics and/or drug users. Need I say I don’t care fr that state or it’s people though there may be a few exceptions but I’m willing to bet they’re transplants.
“At the heart of this is the question - is homosexuality normal or abnormal?”
Not at all. The heart of this is the question: How does God define marriage, and thus who, exactly, can a person who represents Him perform a marriage ceremony for?
The easy answer was given by the Founder of the Christian Religion, none other than Jesus:
(4) And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female”,
(5) and said, For this cause a man shall leave father and mother and shall cling to his wife, and the two of them shall be one flesh?
(6) Therefore they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.
Jesus also dictated the Book of Revelation to the Apostle John. At the very end, when Jesus states who will be granted eternal life, he excludes people who are sexually immoral. See Revelation chapter 22:15.
Homosexuality may be a normal human temptation but no more or less than the temptation to lie, steal or murder. Just because it is a feeling or desire does not make it moral. People who want homosexuality to be moral are just as confused as when they think that open marriage or taking a five finger discount at Walmart is moral.
And what they think is moral does not change what God tells us is moral in His sight, by which He will judge us, for every person will be judged according to their works.
(12) And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13) And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
(15) And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.
People who hold themselves out as a representative the author of these words (that is Jesus Himself) are shown to be disqualified when they opposed their meaning so plainly and openly.
I worked with a number of homosexual men, all of whom were free when it came to talking about their pasts and their sex lives. They all were victims of sexual abuse--by males-- in their childhood.
I had a hairstylist, a homosexual male, for years. He had been sexually abused by his stepbrother as a child, and he admitted it was probably the reason he was homosexual. Also, he had an absent, removed father, and an overbearing, over-protective mother.
There is nothing natural about homosexuality. It is a highly unnatural perversion, and those who give in to it are making a choice to do so.
>> a declaration supporting equality for same-sex couples.
A declaration that forces homosexual behavior on those that want no part of it. RIH, “clergy”.
the headline decieves.
Fringe pro-homosexual “churches” endorse sexual recreation hedonism.
Why not have these same churches endorse recreational sex with farm animals...
I wonder which god they serve?
Paul and Moses were pretty clear on homosexuality.
The Word states the reason for homosexuality and the acts practiced by all who have similar perverted interests. It tells us it is shame to even speak of them; much less “ treat them lovingly. To wish them well or enable them is to partake with them. Liberals always change our devinely sanctioned rights to flee and avoid evil into “descrimination”.
What The Creator labels an abomination is just that and those who practice, support or condone it can’t call themselves believers. They have held the words of The Almighty of no account.