Skip to comments.Prison vs School: The Tour ( A Youtube video back to back comparison)
Posted on 12/27/2012 8:59:03 AM PST by wintertime
This video was made before the Sandy Hook killings. I expect that the prison-like conditions will grow worse.
Prison vs School: The Tour
Question: What do children learn when they attend prison-like indoctrination centers similar to those seen in this video? When children are in many ways treated like prisoners, and know that armed police and courts stand ready at all times to enforce the incarceration, what are they learning?
Answer: They risk learning to be comfortable prisoners of the state, comfortable with state compulsion, and they risk learning to be comfortable with the continuous threat of armed police and court action ever in the background of their lives. Their only crime was to born and for this they are incarcerated. They risk learning that the people who they should trust have abandoned them.
Question: How could anyone defend doing this to children? How can anyone deny what the outcome of having a nation of citizens comfortable with imprisonment will be for our continuing freedom?
Answer: I have no answer.
Question: Why would conservatives cooperate with this evil?
Answer: I have no answer.
Universal, police and court compelled government schooling is a very recent phenomena in human history. Our nation's Founding Fathers and 150,000 years of our human ancestors, would be appalled at the way we treat children. If they could speak from the dust they would warn of the evil it is doing to children and the evil consequences it will have for our continuing freedom.
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Another Reason to Homeschool
Absolutely! Schools have resembled prisons ever since government took over education, or at least since compulsory attendance laws were passed.
Although he was a fuzzy lib, John Holt had great insights into how schools actually function and how miserable they are for kids. How Children Fail is one of his books.
People claim that schools are important for socialization, but just look how the society in schools functions. There are gangs, drugs, bullying, etc. It’s a survival of the strongest kind of place, and the kids who suffer the most are those with disabilities, very smart kids, and those who are shy or weak. The real reason government schools exist is to provide subsidized babysitting for working parents.
You remember when you were like 8 years old and asked "Why is First Grade called that when Kindergarten is first?" and no one had an answer?
Well the Answer is that John Dewy a Trotskyite from Vermont brought over the Prussian State Education system here to America.
That is why Kindergarten is a GERMAN word it means "children's garden" to have the State raise the Children.
Hilary Clinton pushes this in her Book "It takes a Village", meaning you have to get the kids early and away from the parents to indoctrinate them.
Great comment! This is the absolute truth. Schools are still doing things the way they were done 100 years ago. If the government had been in charge of the transportation industry, we would still be riding in horse-drawn buggies.
Children learn in spite of school; not because of school.
The socialization learned in prison-like schools is prison-gang survival skills that **must** be unlearned to have success in the adult world. Thankfully, humans are resourceful and as adults move on to healthy adult relationships in work, with their families, and in the community.
Yep! Holt was granola head, but he was right about many things concerning compulsory government indoctrination.
schools exist is to provide subsidized babysitting for working parents.
And....Just as you would expect, they do a horrible job at babysitting, too! Their government babysitting service is 180 days, riddled with teacher vacations of all sorts, and is held to a lesser safety standard than private day care. Abuses that are completely blown off by the government in the government indoctrination camps would immediately have social services at the door if they happened in a private day care.
Next time there is a government school mistreatment of a student, please play the game, “What if a parent or day care worker did this same thing?”
Likely, this is true! It is UNKNOWN whether or not government schools teach anything!
Studies have NEVER been done to separate out what **might** be learned in the classroom as compared to that which is acquired OUT OF SCHOOL due to the parents, the child studying at home, private or paid tutoring, and the enriching activities of the parents IN THE HOME!
Think about this!
Parents go to ENORMOUS expense in mortgages and long commutes to work with BOTH parents working so their child can attend a “good” government school. Why would they do this is it is UNKNOWN whether or not the school is “good” or not? When government indoctrination camps post their test scores do they ever report on the number of students in private and paid tutoring? Answer: NO!
And...We are under police and court threat to pay up to $30,000/year/child on a prison-like program for children whose effectiveness has NEVER been STUDIED! Are we insane to allow this?
Yeah! I am shouting and jumping up and down and having a fit. Why do we allow this to continue?
As I contemplate my plans for educating my son, now just a year old, I was considering what do kids really need to learn in elementary school. I couldn’t think of much besides reading, writing and arithmetic, yet somehow, the schools have these kids for six or seven years, seven hours a day, half the days of the year, and they can’t manage to impart those basic skills.
They are treated like prisoners and their only crime was to be born.
They are abandoned by their parents. Then elites pontificate on the why there might be a generation gap, overweening allegiance to cliques ( prison-protection gangs), apathy, and that sullen 20 degree off centered stare offered to adults.
This is opinion - not news and should be placed in the proper location.
Even if government schools could dependably teach reading, writing, and arithmetic, they should be abolished. They should be abolished even if the inmates of these indoctrination camps are worse off educationally. Why?
Because compulsory, police enforced indoctrination is an assault on freedom of conscience, First Amendment Rights, and the human spirit of the child, the parent, and the citizen who is under police threat to pay for it.
It is impossible for any school to be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. Such a state can not exist in the mind of any sentient human. It is impossible. When government owns and runs socialist-funded and compulsory-use schools, the most powerful voting faction WILL impose its NON-neutral worldview on the rest of the slaves (oops! “citizens”).
Some slaves were materially far worse off after emancipation. The same was true for many citizens in the old Soviet Block when the Berlin Wall fell, but, the oppression of the human spirit demanded abolition of tyranny regardless of whether the results were good, bad, or indifferent.
This video is a reminder that the prison-like conditions that now exist in schools are currently very grim for the students. Do we wish to increase the misery for the children?
Wintertime - given that the Sandy Hook mass murderer was home schooled and the victims were public school children, perhaps using the massacre for a diatribe about public school security and a “Another Reason to Homeschool” ping is in poor taste...
It is all your personal opinion - it is not news.
The Catholic schools I attended in the 60s and 70s resembled prisons (including gates/bars on windows) far more than any public school my daughter has attended.
My experience is as valid as yours and as my opinion is most likely derived from more recent experience than yours, that would make my opinion possibly even more valid than yours - however it still remains my opinion and NOT news.
Your personal vanity does NOT belong in news.
Heck, we were calling school prison back in the 40’s and 50’s when I wa a kid.
Your post is dishonest in its failure to provide context.
Adam Lanza WAS homeschooled. Apparently for 11th and 12th grade. From Kindergarten through 10th grade, as far as I can determine, he attended public and private elementary schools and public high school.
And after being homeschooled for two years, he then attended a public university.
It seems that two years of homeschooling were insufficient to undo the damage of 11 years of traditional schooling, and a couple of dozen people paid the price for that damage.
Good taste or bad taste is it evil to treat children,whose only crime was to be born, like state prisoners?
Good taste or bad taste what are the consequences to our continuing freedom if we have a nation of voters who are indoctrinated to be comfortable with being a state prisoner?
Good taste or bad taste. many in the media are calling for increasing the prison-like conditions that our children endure.
Good taste or bad taste, if we don't address these issues before they become hardened in reinforced concrete government indoctrination camp policies, we deserve what we get (even though the kids don't).
Before we moved, in our other state, we were members of congregation that had many lower class members. It was appalling how many “push-outs” into homeschooling there were in our congregation. These kids were not being homeschooled. They just weren't wanted in their government indoctrination camps and it was the **principals** and counselors in these indoctrination camps who encouraged the parents to remove their kids.
The entire scam was very irritating to legitimate homeschoolers.
And....You are right. There is little opportunity to undo the educational and psychological damage done by our prison-like government schools when a child has spent 10 or more years in the prison ( oops! “school”).
From year to year it just gets worse.
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