Skip to comments.Body found in burned home of killer of 2 firemen
Posted on 12/25/2012 1:00:11 PM PST by JustaCowgirl
WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) Police have found human remains in the burned-out home of the Webster, N.Y., ex-con who killed two firefighters and believe the victim is the gunman's sister. Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday the remains were found in the charred house that 62-year-old William Spengler shared with his 67-year-old sister, Cheryl. A medical examiner will need to determine the identity. Police say Willliam Spengler armed himself with a revolver, shotgun and military-style rifle before he set his house afire to lure first responders into a pre-dawn death trap on Christmas Eve. Pickering says Spengler "was equipped to go to war."
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Spengler should never have been let out of prison. After all, he murdered his own grandmother.
A very bad dude, in the traditional meaning of the word. He will not be missed.
I know he was daft but even with that, what was the point to covering up a crime? He committed suicide.
I thought the fire was to lure firefighters, or so I had read.
I’m thinking it was a twofer, that he either first killed his sister by other means or simply trapped her in a fire to kill her, which also lured the firefighters whom he shot.
Good question. I don't know, but I think your speculation might be correct. He probably wasn't real bright to begin with, and mean as a snake on top of that. I think most likely he started the fire to cover up the murder, then when the firefighters showed up, it escalated from there. Might not have originally intended to commit suicide. Who knows.
He left a note saying he wanted to kill as many people as possible, and that killing was what he did best.
And because of the actions of these WACKOS we are supposed to give up our guns. BRING BACK THE STATE INSTITUTIONS AND LOCK THESE DANGEROUS PEOPLE AWAY FOREVER. It is the most loving and kind thing we can do for them and for us.
I worked in the NYS prison system for 25 years, but the guys picture didn't look familiar to me. I've been retired over 9 years, so it's possible my memory isn't like it was. The news articles were a little unclear as to the timeline of his incarceration and parole. One article said he'd served 17 years and had been paroled in 2009, another said he'd been parole in 2006. That's more than 17 years for a 1980 murder. So after reading several other articles, one in particular said that he'd been on parole for approximately 8 years since being released. That means that he'd probably been released around 1998, but was under parole supervision for 8-9 years after that.
The next door neighbor said Spengler didn't get along with his sister, and that after his 91 year old mother died this past October, Spengler had "gone crazy." I got news for that neighbor...the guy was crazy when he took a hammer to his grandmother back in 1980, and he never should have been released in the first place.
The “progressives” killed the two fireman and the sister.
The shooter was their tool.
Now he’ll have his name in all the papers.
I know, except it “says” the fire was meant to lure firefighters...although how can they know that?
The impression they wanted to leave was that he planned to shoot them after luring them there with the fire.
Your scenario has a gradually unfolding event with a not-too-bright, and mean, murderer (having killed his own grandmother) sort of winging it after starting out killing his sister.
The pattern of murdering family members seems clear. What isn’t yet clear is if he meant to commit suicide after he murdered his sister, meant to shoot the firemen etc or was this something that escalated.
The murderer had an arsenal of weapons ready for the arrival of any first responders, apparently, so if only from that, I’m leaning that he meant to do the entire thing from the beginning.
If true, then I don’t think the fire was to cover up a crime, since he was planning to kill himself at the end.
Seems like he was a destroyer...destroyed his grandmother, his sister, the house and the first responders he shot. And everyone connected to them...
Got his name up in lights, too, which was probably something he desired since he was a total loser otherwise...
Then the fire wasn’t to cover up anything, but a part of his plan to kill people, not just his sister (referencing the fact that a note was found laying out his intentions)...
Either jail them forever, lock them away in a mental institution, or apply the death penalty.
Because of THESE people, an excuse is used to say our rights must be voided. Which wouldn’t work anyway, as we know.
The whole thing makes me very angry.
Murdered his 92 yr old grandmother with a hammer, and some idiot judge lets him out after only 17 years.
What part of cold blooded, sociopath, didn’t the judge recognize?
ya, it’s the gun’s fault.....
I am a strong advocate that every time one of these liberal jackasses opens his yap to spout gun control, conservatives should respond that what we need is *not* putting such killers in mental hospitals, but to swiftly and surely execute them.
That is, clear the decks so intrusive federal judges cannot delay an execution for decades, nor overturn it except in the most egregious of circumstances.
Second, to declare the states “legally competent” to carry out the death penalty *as they see fit*, without federal judges nit-picking this function to death. If they want to hang, they can hang, or electrocute, gas chamber, firing squad, or lethal injection if they want. But it is up to them, the states.
It sounds like the hammer started it all.
Fires were set to lure in firemen to be shot back in the 1960s and 1970s. It is not new.
I actually want federal death penalty reform, so I don’t get glib on the subject. Orrin Hatch as chairman of the senate judiciary committee, is satisfied with the status quo, more or less, so until he is replaced by a conservative in a Republican controlled senate, such reform is unlikely.
Wondering if “Maxwells silver hammer” came own upon sister’s head too like granny? Anyway since the murderous tasbard loves fire so much he gets to spend christmas day in fiery hell nice and toasty. He should have been executed or at least still be in prison for killing granny. Now all these victims would still be alive. Eff the non-justice Lieberal system.
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