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France monitoring traditionalist Catholics for 'religious pathology'
Catholic News Agency ^ | 12/13/2012 | Carl Bunderson

Posted on 12/24/2012 5:46:55 AM PST by IbJensen

Paris, France, Dec 13, 2012 / 04:37 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A French cabinet member announced that the government will monitor certain groups for "religious pathology," including a traditionalist Catholic organization, and will shut them down if it is discovered.

“The objective is to identify when it's suitable to intervene to treat what has become a religious pathology,” Interior Minister Manuel Valls told a conference on the official policy of secularism, according to Reuters.

“The aim is not to combat opinions by force, but to detect and understand when an opinion turns into a potentially violent and criminal excess,” he said at the Dec. 11 conference.

Valls' remarks come in the wake of President Francois Hollande's announcement Dec. 9 that he would create the “National Observatory of Secularism” to promote France’s policy and to “formulate propositions for the transmission of 'public morality,' giving it a dignified place in schools.”

Hollande's announcement of the observatory was made on the anniversary of the adoption of a law in 1905 that established secularism as state policy in France. It was accompanied by the decision to honor the sociologist Emile Poulat, who helped to “promote secularism as an essential value of our living-together.”

Secularism (laïcité in French) has received a boost from Hollande's Socialist government, which believes it was weakened under former President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Valls said that the government would be monitoring violence among religious radicals, including Salafist Muslims and Civitas, an organization of lay Catholics which is associated with the Society of Saint Pius X.

He said that Civitas is observed because its political protests flirt with “the limits of legality … All excesses are being minutely registered in case we have to consider dissolving it and defending this before a judge.”

Civitas is “a political movement inspired by natural law and the social doctrine of the Church … engaged in the establishment of the social Kingship of Christ” throughout the world, and in France in particular. It demonstrates against secularism and policies which denigrate Christianity.

According to Reuters, Valls offered radicals Islamists, traditionalist Catholics, and ultra-orthodox Jews “who want to live separately from the modern world” as examples of religious extremists.

Under the secularist policy, the government will identify “sects” and disband faith-based groups it deems to suffer from “religious pathology.”

On Oct. 31 of this year, the Tunisian imam Muhammad Hammami was expelled from France because he defended violence against women and made anti-Semitic speeches at his Parisian mosque.

“We decided to be uncompromising against all those who utter hate speech against the Republic and our values,” Valls said at the time.

In March 2012, an al-Qaeda supporter murdered three soldiers and four Jews in Toulouse, which Valls said at the conference “showed how quickly religiously radicalized people could turn to force.”

Secularism in France discourages the display of religion in the public square. In 2004, Muslim women were barred from wearing hijabs in public schools.

Education minister Vincent Peillon told the Dec. 11 conference that the classes on secular morality would emphasize the French secularist values of equality and fraternity.

In an interview with Le Journal du Dimanche, he said that secular morality is to “understand what is right and to distinguish good from evil.”

“Secularism is not about simple tolerance … it is a set of values that we have to share.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; traditioncatholics
The socialist French government doesn't want pastors speaking from the pulpit about the evils of homosexuals, let alone homosexual marriage. Additionally they don't want the Bible passages cited that are against promiscuity and adultry (the bulwark of French society) used by pastors.

EU fascist state is only a few more steps away. You have to hand it to liberals - they are really snide people. They advocate freedom of speech from one side of their mouths and then make laws to prevent it from the other when it does not fit in with their social engineering agenda. Such hypocrits! When they dislike your point-of-view they accuse you of "hate" and "deviancy".

Brack Obama's evil regime is only steps behind the EU!

1 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:03 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
There are two kinds of people in this world; those with a religious faith in God, and those with a religious faith in government.

The government-worshipers are the ones with the pathology.

2 posted on 12/24/2012 5:49:11 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: All

Twas the month before Christmas

When all through our land,

Not a Christian was praying

Nor taking a stand.

Why the PC Police had taken away

The reason for Christmas - no one could say.

The children were told by their schools not to sing

About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.

It might hurt people’s feelings, the teachers would say

December 25th is just a ‘ Holiday ‘.

Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit

Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!

CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-Pod

Something was changing, something quite odd!

Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa

In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.

As Targets were hanging their trees upside down

At Lowe’s the word Christmas - was no where to be found.

At K-Mart and Staples and Penny’s and Sears

You won’t hear the word Christmas; it won’t touch your ears.

Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-is-ty

Are words that were used to intimidate me.

Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen

On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!

At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter

To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.

And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith

Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace

The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded

The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

So as you celebrate ‘Winter Break’ under your ‘Dream Tree’

Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.

Choose your words carefully, choose what you say

Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS,

not Happy Holiday !

Please, all Christians join together and

wish everyone you meet

MERRY CHRISTMAS!


3 posted on 12/24/2012 5:49:22 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

The French Revolution represents a huge failure for secularism, a huge failure at egalitarianism, and general failure period. If you want to get everything wrong, do what the French do.


4 posted on 12/24/2012 5:53:25 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: IbJensen
“National Observatory of Secularism”

Formerly known as the "Committee of Public Safety" in earlier times. Look for similar results.

5 posted on 12/24/2012 5:54:36 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: IbJensen

Yup. Religious people have to be persecuted to make the World safe for homosexuality. Except for th Muslims, of course—which ultimately means the end of homosexuality. So...the homos are just being used as a means to an end.

The Master Plan is one World government with Islam being the official religion. Why Islam? It makes the sheeple that much easier to control. In other words, its perfect for this purpose.


6 posted on 12/24/2012 5:55:16 AM PST by rbg81
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To: IbJensen

I wonder how long it will be before Hollande starts calling for the execution of those who do not worship the State. Thus mimicking or repeating The Terror of the French Revolution in 1793-1794.


7 posted on 12/24/2012 5:58:44 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: IbJensen
I ran today to get Disney Princess Swirling Lights Cinderella Doll for my 3.5 year old daughter that she saw the TV commercial for and really wanted. There were only two left. People out there are like crazed animals. Terrible!
8 posted on 12/24/2012 6:01:02 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: IbJensen
Good morning.

That poem was very good, except the last stanza.

Signed: the local Poem Critic.

What do you think...?

Please, all Christians join together and pray
wish everyone you meet
A very MERRY CHRISTMAS day!

Ok, mine isn't very good either...

Merry Christmas.

Sign: Bored.

5.56mm

9 posted on 12/24/2012 6:02:36 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Berlin_Freeper
People out there are like crazed animals.

Yabut, it'll be safe Thursday.

10 posted on 12/24/2012 6:03:16 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: GenXteacher
"The French Revolution represents a huge failure for secularism, a huge failure at egalitarianism, and general failure period. If you want to get everything wrong, do what the French do."

And the French usually get what they want, which is historically a devenir chair à canon, and then surrender to the Conquest du Jour...

11 posted on 12/24/2012 6:09:17 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: IbJensen

“According to Reuters, Valls offered radicals Islamists, traditionalist Catholics, and ultra-orthodox Jews “who want to live separately from the modern world” as examples of religious extremists.”

“Minister Valls then went on to give examples of the most dangerously extreme animals, mentioning turtles, frogs, sparrows and tigers. Valls ended his remarks with his opinion of some of the most extreme medical conditions, naming athlete’s foot, warts, dandruff and hantavirus.”

Freegards


12 posted on 12/24/2012 6:09:29 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: IbJensen

Indeed, it looks like this is the beginning. Let any man who hath not a sword, sell his big screen and buy one.


13 posted on 12/24/2012 6:12:07 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Ransomed

Like all socialists, communists and homosexuals and their sycophants, Vall is insane as is Bronco Bama.


14 posted on 12/24/2012 6:13:56 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Mr Valls seems to exempt the rabid traditionalist Islamists - must have been an oversight...

or maybe he knows they would burn all of France down in a heartbeat.

They are totally running scared from the Islamists.

Lurking’


15 posted on 12/24/2012 6:17:49 AM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: rbg81
"Gay Mosque to Open in Paris, Address to Be Secret" recent article healine reported by ABC. Wonder where the muslim out rage will play out in France... there's no doubt islam is full of practicing gay muslims. Just the fact their allah made females unclean & deficient in intelligence & religion lays out the rainbow prayer rug.
16 posted on 12/24/2012 6:26:47 AM PST by existentially_kuffer
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
True but my girl will be dancing With this for Christmas in less than an hour from now. :)

(In Germany Santa brings gifts in the late afternoon of the 24th)

17 posted on 12/24/2012 6:28:52 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: IbJensen

Since the left defines the homeland of the Jews as a de facto apartheid state, people who strongly support Israel could be considered to be “extremist” by such a government.


18 posted on 12/24/2012 6:40:15 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The government-worshipers are the ones with the pathology.

Amen, brother.

The most acute "religious pathology" in the world today, not counting the Muslim mass movement rash, is secular humanism, "the religion of non-religion."

What presumption it takes to believe there's a neutral, "rational" middle ground, and in France!

You have to be real blind, or be a victim of strong delusion. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

The religion of non-religion is religion.

19 posted on 12/24/2012 7:08:28 AM PST by Prospero
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The government-worshipers are the ones with the pathology.

Amen, brother.

The most acute "religious pathology" in the world today, not counting the Muslim mass movement rash, is secular humanism, "the religion of non-religion."

What presumption it takes to believe there's a neutral, "rational" middle ground, and in France!

You have to be real blind, or be a victim of strong delusion. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

The religion of non-religion is religion.

20 posted on 12/24/2012 7:08:59 AM PST by Prospero
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To: IbJensen

Would this creep say the same things about the religion of peace?


21 posted on 12/24/2012 7:20:27 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: IbJensen

There is a violent religion that wants to take over France but it ain’t Catholic.


22 posted on 12/24/2012 7:46:14 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: IbJensen
I have long argued that Secularism is a religion and that the state is imposing it's religious believes unconstitutionally on us. This article makes it perfectly clear that Secularism is a religion.
23 posted on 12/24/2012 8:30:41 AM PST by jpsb
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