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To: palmer

I really don’t think anyone is smart enough to know when the collapse will come. But, yes, the farce will keep going for quite some time because ALL the Central Banks are playing the same game. The Powers-That-Wannabe all have the same fundamental goal: stave off social upheaval.

• For the West (including Japan): Too much debt, too many promises, and too high a standard of living. Aside from Germany and Japan, there is not enough industry to provide a living for everyone. So the Government has a bigger and bigger role in employment and entitlements keep the rest of the population fed & docile. They play along because if there will be massive social upheaval if Government spending is actually cut to sustainable levels.

• For the East (particularly China): They need to grow, so they need to export. They play along because the alternative is massive unemployment and, likewise, social upheaval. Also, even while its Monopoly $$, it helps them catch up with the West from a military/technological standpoint.

• For the Oil Producers: They are in the same boat. The minute the petrol dollars stop, they will have to contend with their own restive poulations

The fundamental problem is that the Human race now produces enough to survive without everyone taking part in the workforce. While this is good in many ways, it also renders a lot of people….redundant. At the same time, we are also busy offshoring jobs so the necessities of life can be produced even more cheaply. All countries are trying to export excess goods to each other now in a race to the bottom. Improvements in technology and foreign education/work ethic have made this possible. As value-added jobs, Government has picked up the slack by employing more people and handing out ever increasing transfer payments to poor people. After all, we Westerners demand high living standards and we don’t let people starve. While our credit was good, this created an illusion of normalcy (prosperity) for a long time, but illusions have limits. People are slowly waking up to the fact that Government can’t deliver all it promised. And, at this point, all but the stupidest politians will admit to themselves that its not working. Deficit spending is giving us increasingly diminishing returns, buying less & less stability today at the expense of anarchy tomorrow.

But they feel they have no choice. So, they all play along and accept increasing worthless currency to keep the Status Quo going—because no one can fathom what will happen when the music stops. Certainly riots—cities will burn and people will die. Perhaps even the start of a new Dark Age. So, we have condemned ourselves to a Zombie economy as long as our leaders will go to extraordinary lengths to maintain the facade.


38 posted on 12/23/2012 7:59:37 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81
I really don’t think anyone is smart enough to know when the collapse will come. But, yes, the farce will keep going for quite some time because ALL the Central Banks are playing the same game. The Powers-That-Wannabe all have the same fundamental goal: stave off social upheaval.

Well put. Good job. That's exactly what we're witnessing, and you put it into understandable terms.

(We have a false economy, but I've always found it hard to explain).

49 posted on 12/23/2012 8:46:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rbg81
The fundamental problem is that the Human race now produces enough to survive without everyone taking part in the workforce. While this is good in many ways, it also renders a lot of people….redundant. ....
Certainly riots—cities will burn and people will die. Perhaps even the start of a new Dark Age.

Seems a little odd that there's no iPhone app to stop the riots and chaos. It might even be the opposite (high tech riots). It is theoretically not possible for people to die of hunger with such incredible productivity, and it seems impossible to die of boredom with all the varieties of entertainment we can partake of. But it promotes sloth and eventually barbarism and those are really not separate problems.

The danger of living on bread and circuses: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-02/the-danger-of-living-on-bread-and-circuses-alice-schroeder.html

52 posted on 12/23/2012 8:54:49 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: rbg81

There is plenty of work to do. From cleaning up inner cities to rebuilding infrastructure to taking care of the elderly, there is work. The problem is that we’re blowing money on administration, bureaucracy, wasteful “green” projects and feel good projects instead of what is needed.
And many of those who are not needed to MAKE things can certainly work recycling the junk we have, growing their own food, rebuilding their communities, etc.


72 posted on 12/23/2012 12:06:37 PM PST by tbw2
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