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Obese Killer Spared by Governor
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Posted on 12/19/2012 11:04:58 PM PST by nickcarraway

Ohio Gov. John Kasich granted clemency to 480-pound death row inmate Ronald Post, agreeing with the state parole board that Ronald Post's defense had been too poorly handled to put him to death.

An obese killer on Ohio death row successfully petitioned for clemency, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Monday.

The attorneys of Ronald Post, who was condemned to execution for the 1983 murder of a motel clerk, petitioned fro clemency on claims both that his original defense had been inadequate and that he could not be humanely put to death due to his size.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich agreed to grant clemency to Post, following the Ohio Parole Board's 5-3 recommendation.

According to the Plain Dealer, the board said Post should not be executed, hinging their argument not on his 480-pound girth, but because he was not effectively defended by his original attorneys:

The board said the mistakes by Post's original attorneys included having Post take a polygraph test from an examiner who had already been retained by the prosecution in the case as well as enter a no contest plea with no assurance it would be considered mitigation in the sentencing phase.

"Regardless of the heinous nature of their crime, a criminal defendant is entitled to an effective defense, especially in a death penalty case," said Kasich in the statement.

Post will spend the rest of his life in prison with no possibility of parole, Kasich said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
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How long before the courts rule the state is obligated to feed prisoners until they are obese?
1 posted on 12/19/2012 11:05:03 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

While the gov’t feeds illegal alien children. The world is insane.


2 posted on 12/19/2012 11:07:56 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Can you get out of traffic tickets for being obese?


3 posted on 12/19/2012 11:11:48 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Post will spend the rest of his life in prison with no possibility of parole

I bet hes out of prison within five years max.

4 posted on 12/19/2012 11:12:03 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Isnt this discrimination because of weight? Does a skinny guy deserve death more than this guy? Every lawyer of every other person on death row should file suit against the state. Does the 14th Amendment allow for a different standard of justice for people of different weights or sizes?


5 posted on 12/19/2012 11:15:34 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Kasich is wacky.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 11:33:49 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: nickcarraway

So his defense was poorly handled, so he can’t be put to death, but he spends the rest of his life in prison? It’s a miscarriage of justice either way.


7 posted on 12/19/2012 11:49:57 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: nickcarraway
Can you get out of traffic tickets for being obese?

Maybe if you eat the radar gun.

8 posted on 12/19/2012 11:57:07 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: nickcarraway
The ruling has NOTHING to do with his weight. The man had a crappy defense and he was given poor advice by his original attorney. He is not subject to retrial and in Ohio life without possibility of parole means he is in prison until he dies.

Ohio and Kasich have over scene the execution of many death row inmates. He is not squeamish about letting the system do what it should. He is however correct in this ruling, even though it is distasteful.

9 posted on 12/20/2012 12:25:30 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: scott7278
So his defense was poorly handled, so he can’t be put to death, but he spends the rest of his life in prison? It’s a miscarriage of justice either way.

If the trial was mishandled, declare a new trial.

His present obesity is irrelevant.

10 posted on 12/20/2012 12:28:47 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Jim from C-Town
He is not subject to retrial and in Ohio life without possibility of parole means he is in prison until he dies.

I doubt you'd bet on that. Whenever this happens, the person in question gets out all together in short order.

11 posted on 12/20/2012 12:32:26 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The twinky, hoho, dingdong and bacon defense.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 2:24:39 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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They are just trying to save money. They knew his last meal would rival one of Michael Moore’s afternoon snacks.


13 posted on 12/20/2012 2:35:11 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: nickcarraway

If yer driving a Prius ....


14 posted on 12/20/2012 2:45:19 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: nickcarraway

30 years on death row? Yet some think there is a death penalty in Ohio.


15 posted on 12/20/2012 2:51:29 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: nickcarraway

I am actually glad for this one..

not because he is obese, but because he did not kill anyone..

the triggermen got life, he drove the getaway car..

he was not even in the store when the killing occured..

he was sentenced to death, while the killers got life..


16 posted on 12/20/2012 4:12:40 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: nickcarraway

They wouldn’t have to drop him very far to snap his neck.


17 posted on 12/20/2012 5:00:17 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Jim from C-Town
The ruling has NOTHING to do with his weight. The man had a crappy defense and he was given poor advice by his original attorney. He is not subject to retrial and in Ohio life without possibility of parole means he is in prison until he dies.

I agree.
18 posted on 12/20/2012 5:35:43 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: nickcarraway

“How long before the courts rule the state is obligated to feed prisoners until they are obese?”

Is he actually being fed X calories by the prison staff or is he a tough enough guy to get extra chow from other prisoners?

He may be surrounded by very thin block-mates.


19 posted on 12/20/2012 5:36:45 AM PST by fruser1
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To: nickcarraway
I doubt you'd bet on that. Whenever this happens, the person in question gets out all together in short order.

I'd bet on it. I couldn't name one person, at least in the state of Ohio, who moved from death row, to life without parole, to the street "in short order".

I may simply be ignorant of who these people were, but I'd guess the conservative local talk radio hosts in my area would have been all over such regular releases as they happened. Such occurrences would be tailor-made for talk radio.

I've heard of exculpatory DNA evidence getting folks released, but that moves them from death row to the streets directly.
20 posted on 12/20/2012 5:42:27 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

... and it took these many years for the governor to see and act on the “poor defense” argument? I don’t buy it. The morally confused, weak governor has denied justice to the murderer’s victim and family, and has failed in his duty to carry out the laws of the state of Ohio.


21 posted on 12/20/2012 5:55:11 AM PST by glennaro
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To: glennaro
I don’t buy it.

I do. Post is the only person in Ohio history to be sentenced to death for a plea of no contest. Whether I agree with the clemency or not, it is perfectly legitimate for a governor to take that into account when considering it.

Gov. Kasich is doing a great job in Ohio, IMHO.
22 posted on 12/20/2012 6:07:36 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970; All

details

>> Post returned to the Slumber Inn where he initiated another conversation with Carol Bokar. Carol introduced him to Mrs. Helen Vantz, who was to relieve Carol on the desk shift. Post accompanied Carol as she checked motel rooms for a possible problem. Carol then reported the day’s activities to Helen and told her that Post might return for a room. Post and Carol left together and proceeded to the Jackson Hotel where they met Sandy Collins, a friend of Carol. They stayed until about 2:15 a.m.

>>At approximately 3:00 a.m., Post, armed with the handgun, returned alone to the Slumber Inn. His plan was to kill Helen Vantz and steal whatever he could find. At the Slumber Inn, Post engaged Helen in conversation until past 4:00 a.m., when she made a wake-up call to room number 30. Her next wake-up call, scheduled for 6:00 a.m., was never made. Sometime between 4:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., Helen, while sitting at her desk working on the nightly accounts, was shot in the head from behind by Post. Post shot her a second time to make sure she was dead. The body was later found, slumped at the desk, a pencil clasped in her hand.

>>After shooting Helen, Post collected certain items of value, including a bank deposit bag containing approximately $100, and Helen’s handbag. Post then drove to North Ridgeville where he met with Ralph and Debbie Hall. Post told the Halls what he had done and gave Ralph the gun for disposal. Post then went to the home of James Harsh in order to persuade Harsh to say that Post had been at the Harsh residence between the hours of 2:30 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. that day. Later, Post admitted to Harsh that he had killed and robbed Helen Vantz. Harsh then refused to support the alibi. Post also admitted his involvement in the crime to several others. Post admitted to two Elyria police detectives that he had told Thacker he was the perpetrator of the crimes.

http://prodeathpenalty.com/Pending/13/jan13.htm


23 posted on 12/20/2012 6:09:00 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: nickcarraway
Obese Killer Spared by Governor

I saw the title and immediately thought of 0bama's butt boy Christie Kreme.

24 posted on 12/20/2012 6:10:55 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (America 2012 - What Would Our Forefathers Do?)
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To: raccoonradio
Thanks for the details. I'd say "fry the SOB". However this clemency is not about his obesity but about inadequate defense.

Kasich is not saying the guy is too fat to be executed like many of his attackers are claiming.

If we want to take issue with whether shoddy defense representation should, in itself, result in clemency, that's fine.

It bugs me though when the 480lb headline results in what I believe is a misguided argument and false accusations towards a good governor.
25 posted on 12/20/2012 6:33:14 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970
Gov. Kasich is doing a great job in Ohio

In most respects I agree he is doing a good job. But in this case he has failed, both to carry out his duty and to act morally.

Let's see: First it was "the murderer is too fat to kill"; then it was "it's not fair to this murderer that the other convicted murderers received a lesser sentence"; then it was "the murderer had an ineffective defense" (which I suppose means it's a just reason to allow him to live, breathe and -- obviously -- eat, while his victim lost everything as a direct result of his complicity in the murder); and today it's "well, this murderer didn't actually pull the trigger, he just helped out a little". (Excuse No. 3 turns out to be the one the governor uses as justification to show mercy to the murderer after all this time.)

The governor's great moral failure is that by showing compassion to the evil he has been cruel to the innocent.

26 posted on 12/20/2012 6:46:25 AM PST by glennaro
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To: glennaro

If the facts of the case are as described on this thread, I have to disagree with you. This man’s death sentence was handled so badly that a just society cannot countenance it.


27 posted on 12/20/2012 6:58:30 AM PST by MortMan (I will be true to my principles.)
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To: nickcarraway

I am a firm believer in a swift and sure death penalty, and for federal judicial reforms so that appeals are held swiftly, moving to the head of the appellate docket and with limits on how long the proceedings can be delayed; that federal judges cannot overturn a death penalty but only remand it back to the trial court for reconsideration; and that federal judges should not involve themselves with the minutiae of the execution, a given that states are ‘competent’ to carry out a death sentence.

This being said, I fully support a state governor’s authority to pardon or commute.


28 posted on 12/20/2012 7:46:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Fzob
Yet some think there is a death penalty in Ohio.

Ohio has had 49 executions since 1999. 8 Under Kasich since 2011. 17 under Strickland (2006-2010). 24 under Taft (1999-2006).

Since 1999, Ohio averages one execution about every 3 months.
29 posted on 12/20/2012 7:48:34 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: MortMan
I respect your opinion, but understand that you are not disagreeing only with me ... you're disagreeing with the decision of the jury, with the sentence by the trial judge and with every appeals judge who, in your opinion, must have overlooked or misjudged the "poor defense" defense.

As a result of the governor's "brilliant insight" and awakening that was apparently lost on everyone else in the process, society must instead countenance that a murderer gets to keep his life while an innocent person has lost hers because of him. I think that is an injustice of cosmic proportions.

30 posted on 12/20/2012 9:49:56 AM PST by glennaro
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To: mmichaels1970

Thank you. I stand corrected


31 posted on 12/20/2012 9:50:38 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: glennaro

The fact that I disagree with so many who were there doesn’t particularly bother me, although it is obviously a consideration. Here is my thought process:

1. The convicted man pleaded “no contest” - a plea bargain.
2. He was the driver (as reported here), not the trigger man.
3. The shooter received life in prison, even though he was the active agent.
4. The plea-bargaining driver was given the death penalty FOR HIS PLEA BARGAIN.
5. I cannot see a competent lawyer allowing a plea bargain to the death penalty.
6. Either American juris prudence requires a competent defense or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t - then we have only kangaroo courts.
7. Prosecutors and juries can and do make errors of passion. I do not know the entirety of the facts in this case, but I can easily see the possibility of outrage over the life imprisonment of the shooter translating to the death penalty for the driver - which is not a supportable standard of law, IMO.

I believe the death penalty, correctly administered, is an effective deterrent. In this case, given the modicum of knowledge I possess, I can see a reasonable doubt that the penalty was justly imposed.

I firmly believe that law and order is a balancing act. The side of law (prosecutors, law enforcement, juries) generally gets benefit of the doubt. But when a person is to be executed, their work deserves a second look, through glasses that magnify potential and probable errors in applying the law.

To do otherwise is to invite every ham sandwich that is indicted to be railroaded.

One last point. I also believe that the death row appeals process is far to geared toward the convicted. I am unconvinced that this gearing posed a problem in this specific instance, though.

Thank you for your civil discourse on a difficult and emotional subject.


32 posted on 12/20/2012 10:30:52 AM PST by MortMan (I will be true to my principles.)
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To: MortMan
Excellent discourse. Although we do not agree, you have presented your argument logically and thoughtfully ... and I appreciate that you took time to do that. I look forward to discussing other topics with you along the way, my friend. GA

(Now if I don't get back to a report I've been working on since yesterday my client is likely to send out a hitman!)

33 posted on 12/20/2012 11:12:16 AM PST by glennaro
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To: mmichaels1970

You may not know the full story. These facts about the case have been known for 30 years. Yet, there was no clemency in all that time, until a few months ago when Post’s attorney made a motion about him being obese. How come these facts never became relevant to the obesity argument? I think you are being naive. If other Ohio death row residents have good lawyers, they should be off death row by this time next year.


34 posted on 12/20/2012 11:32:46 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: glennaro

Was there a jury? If it was a plea bargain, I’m thinking no.


35 posted on 12/20/2012 11:35:47 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: glennaro
The State Parole Board made this recommendation, so perhaps the majority of their members, who actually sat with the facts and made this decision, as opposed to reading a scanty media account, are "morally confused and weak" also.

Or maybe they just don't know as much about it as you do.

36 posted on 12/20/2012 4:51:42 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: nickcarraway

Not exact quote....Richard Hickock, killing partner of Perry Smith, told about a guy on death row that was fasting. Hickock said “They’ll fatten him up for the kill.”

I think they should put this guy on protein only and skinny him up for the kill.


37 posted on 12/20/2012 9:54:45 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
In your zeal to support the moral failure of the governor you completely missed my point.

It's not that the governor or your conjecture about what the parole board members were thinking does not deserve my condemnation, it's that the governor and what you presume the parole board members concluded conflicts with what the trial judge, jury and the many appeals court judges "who actually sat with the facts and made this decision, as opposed to reading a scanty media account" determined what should be the fate of the murderer. The governor, in my opinion, was wrong to show compassion to the evil and cruelty to the innocent.

38 posted on 12/21/2012 4:43:56 AM PST by glennaro
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To: joe fonebone
I am actually glad for this one..

not because he is obese, but because he did not kill anyone..

the triggermen got life, he drove the getaway car..

he was not even in the store when the killing occured..

he was sentenced to death, while the killers got life

I believe you have the details of this case confused with another. Please see Post 23

39 posted on 12/21/2012 8:44:03 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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